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Celiac (and the rest) Diet Challenge
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27-10-2008 1:48pm#1Ok, let's see what people can do with this.
I am a recovering celiac, totally gluten free, I am also too sensitive for:- Peanuts (and not happy to trust other nuts right now)
- Dairy
- Eggs
- Red Fish
- Tannins
...and expect that list to go on growing.
Remember, celiac is NOT an allergy, it is an auto-immune reaction. At present, gluten free, I am probably absorbing more nutrition (and problems) from food than I have been able to for decades.
Two thirds of celiacs "fail to thrive" and grow up small, skinny and undernourished, another third (like me) develop huge appetites that still do not nourish them, while their metabolisms slow to a crawl as though starved.
Unofficially my "gut" feeling is that we become overweight because our systems absorb some nutrients better than others, perhaps sugars and carbs of some kind, while we are still starving for more sophisticated nutrients?
Anyway, not important, I now seem to have a nice, "as new" highly absorbant plumbing system, that absorbs everything nicely and I am still only having adverse reactions to things I have had adverse reactions to in the past, except dairy, which I suspect I may react to simply because it is too rich for me right now.
If I eat gluten, peanuts, tannins of red fish short term I get bloated, retain huge amounts of water (mostly in chest and ankles). Sometimes develop sores in mouth, itch and have slight trouble breathing (I already have a pulmonary problem too). I get violent diahorrea that is often acetone scented (I'm on that, but, so far, no sign of the family "type II", maybe because my sugar intake is so controlled?).
If I eat eggs you REALLY don't want to know what happens, but it is ALL in the stomach and bathroom and utterly disgusting.
I say the above to assure you that there is no risk of me even ATTEMPTING to eat something I am sensitive to, and to give you some idea of how my whacko metabolism behaves, and that there is a lot more to this than "eat less and lose weight".
Kept away from sensitivities I think I am pretty normal, except I can hardly eat anything without gaining weight. I am becoming convinced that (like a lot of celiacs) I cannot tolerate a lot of carbs at all. Even a serving of Yam or brown rice just causes rapid, overall, weight gain that is very hard to lose again.
Every day I eat pretty much as follows:
Within 3 hours of waking (I keep funny hours so normal "meal times" aren't that relevant):
4 rashers,
handful of mushrooms
3/4 tomatos
cooked in olive oil
About 6 hours later I eat
Ratatouille (Aubergines, courgettes, tomato paste onions etc)
or
A couple of veggies (eg broccoli and corn)
and
about 3/4 pound of lean meat (usually pork or steak)
I may have the second meal twice in one day if I am unusually hungry
I drink loads of coffee with sweetner and low fat coffeemate (black it makes me too acid and the coffeemate doesn't seem to make the slightest difference to weight gain).
I also drink fruit teas and force down the odd bit of green tea (yes, it DOES taste like stewed straw) too.
I am fairly fit, though my whole regime of fitness (aimed at pole dancing...so sue me
) went by the board this year between horrible weather and living in exceptionally "interesting times".
I am also 50 (<NB this was not criminal offence last time I checked
) and right on the cusp of menopause.
The challenge is this:
To help me find a diet I can realistically lose 1-2 lbs a week on that must be:- Healthy for anyone to eat (if they can handle the restrictions without dying of boredom)
- Not cost extra money or require specialised shops (I am, poor, and way out in rural area, as are lots of people)
If this looks like another one of my "questionable posts" (well I thought it was useful to know the cheapest resellers of natural columbian slimming powders...:D) can you let me know and I'll edit it accordingly?
I only give the metabolic details for background, I am seeing a specialist for all this stuff...but they just cannot relate to a 50 year old granny genuinely NEEDING a killer bod...and don't see the harm in me being somewhat more overweight (Ah sure, don't you look GRAND...).
Weirdos, huh?
I am 5'11" (I shrunk from 6' with time) and 14st 4lbs...very big boned...so at dress size 14/16 now.
I want to be 12st 7lbs and dress size 12/14
The lowest weight I was ever at was 10st 7lbs in the "long hot summer of '76" (My highest weight was 19st 11lbs in 2006) my happiest, comfortable, weight in my younger days was 11st 7lbs.
All nice, realistic stuff...
Any help to figure a liveable lifestyle around this would be wonderful.
I'll answer any questions, and try pretty much anything...except adding in carbs like yam and brown rice because I am ahead of you on that and the results were honestly disasterous in terms of weight gain at this point.
I feel I need to speed up and stabilise my metabolism before I can risk too many carbs, and that, in honestly, I may never be able to take them and am starting to come over to some (but not all, it's a bit extreme for me, and doesn't fit all my facts) of the thinking involved in the "specific carbohydrate diet".
So there is my challenge. 0
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Still waiting on suggestions here, but I have learned something this week.
I gained 8lbs because I ate a tin of baked beans and a single fried yam (not together! Just in the same day).
Baked beans are declared "gluten free" and I have no idea how tannins, lactose and peanuts could sneak into the mix at all
Yams are widely regarded as one of the best tolerated foods around in terms of sensitivity.
With the aid of prescription medication (nope, I ain't specifyin') that water weight has gone.
I admit, in desperation, looking for some "slimfast" or similar just to get nutrition past my sensitivities...but no joy
- Slimfast declares traces of gluten, and both Tesco and Boots own brands are off the market for some reason.
So, in desperation I checked Specific Carbohydrate Diet must note that the legal/illegal foods (apart from my specific sensitivities) do seem to tally with my reactions.
My regular diet, listed above can all be from the permitted food list. If I keep within that list, if I have honey (which seems very good for my metabolism in other ways) in my coffee my weight seems stable, if I leave out the honey (and all "illegal" carbs) I seem to start losing whatever else I eat. (But I really have to get a firm grip on which particular carbs I cannot eat).
From the boards across the web, I would not be the first celiac to discover this.:rolleyes:
This morning I woke up at 14st 1lb ...not a big deal, until you realise I went to bed on Wednesday at 14st 11lb.
I would say that 14st 1lb is my actual weight with all excess water gone...and with a nice, flat, untroubled tum too...
But watch my posts, as there is NO WAY I am giving up on my 12st 7lb goal.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can keep losing weight at that rate, so I won't be there before wednesday.
Which is about the right time to cue "Killer" and start breakdancing...
Or *peering over bifocals* don't you nice young folks break dance on Hallowe'en any more?0 -
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I gained 8lbs because I ate a tin of baked beans and a single fried yam (not together! Just in the same day).
Sorry but that is rubbish! Thats over half a stone and there is no way you could have gained that in either fat or muscle ...
I am sorry, but exactly WHERE did I say it was "fat or muscle"? Point me to the place?
In essence, it was water weight mostly from a histamine reaction to eating something (in this case baked beans and yams) that my whacko system cannot handle.
But...as (unusually for me) I hadn't weighed myself for 5 days, I had no honest way to know that for sure until most of it "went away" in 12 hours of prescribed medication.
Coping with celiac is, I am learning, in many ways about recognising the foods you react to in order to avoid them, and, for me, keeping track of the water retention (a lifelong affliated problem) by weighing myself is a vital part of this. But, on this occasion, though I felt rough, and heavy, I honestly had no idea I was carrying that much until I weighed myself!
If I ignore the retained water, my whole stomach starts to bloat and go haywire while my gut rejects much of the nutrition I take in and my metabolism begins to slow again.
It might interest you to know that people sometimes gain 20lbs or more in water weight in a week, due to a variety of medical conditions. It may not be fat or muscle, but it is still incredibly uncomfortable, and a symptom you cannot afford to ignore by not weighing yourself.
When I am stable, I weigh, reliably, 4lbs (just under 2kgs) more at night than I do in the morning.
*FOR ME* (<NB this is a subjective, value statement of what works best *FOR ME* and may be the worst possible approach for some other people), realising and recognising that reality daily was a valuable motivator to diet and lose weight and always will be...
When I am stable and stop weighing myself, I am also letting go in other ways. But that is what works best for me, it doesn't have to work best for you...0 -
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First, I cannot protest this enough:Also, I think you need to put away the scales and go by how you feel or how your clothes fit. They are not reliable in most cases and your issues with water retention make them even less reliable.
I have to track my water weight for the sake of my health because that is the definitive place where my food sensitivities show up (that last "bloat" incredibly, barely affected the way my clothes fit...it was in the wrong places.), but APART from that...
Too right, water weight is so much easier to get rid of than fat it is silly...BUT...while it is there it is far more uncomfortable and (directly, in itself, as well as indirectly, in terms of what it is a symptom of) destructive in the short to mid term than fat will ever be. So that when you do have water retention issues it is essential to be "on top of it" at all times. (but my scales are fully electronic and calibrated against medical scales...anything less is way too dodgey)
APART from that, I have a tight leather skirt and a black designer cocktail dress TO DIE FOR that exist specifically to track my weight and determine when I have "arrived".
When they slip on and fit I couldn't care less if I am 16 st (as long as I wasn't 15st yesterday, anyway)
Everything else you say makes huge sense (except that I don't think there actually IS anything I can eat except lean meat and vegetables, apart from honey maybe fruit, one day, when the weight is gone? ).
I am NOT (never have been) a breakfast person, but I had already made a conscious decision to eat as soon as I wake up.
Some things that bother me (and probably bother a lot of other people too, if people don't mind replying?):
I literally hate water (and the stuff in my taps is commercially bottleable mountain spring stuff, but still...)...I don't think I could stomach 2 glasses a day, let alone 8, so I am going to be honest and say that I will be taking in my fluids with my coffee and various fruit/green teas for now...and I drink 2 or three liters a day that way.
When I eat at all it makes me feel hungrier and need to eat more, so a lot of small meals seriously bothers me, especially as it looks as if all the nice "low GI" (nuts, seeds, root veg etc) stuff is "outside my tolerance zone". When I try to eat 4 times a day I just wind up eating twice as much, any ideas to work round that?0 -
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aare no-one is point-scoring - you asked for ideas, you were given them, and you're rejecting every single oneCorkcomp, perhaps if you told me exactly what kind of point you are trying to score off me on this thread I could tell you a better way to score it?
Each suggestion put forward is being met with a "thanks but no-thanks response" from you:
People trying to lose weight are very often told to relax their vice-like grip on the scales, the obsession only leads to daily dissapointment and an inability to see the big picture.
However, you won't stop using the scales because it's your way of tracking weight (and thereby intolerance) responses.
The best way to prevent water retention is, quite simply, to drink more water.
However you hate the taste of water and tried that before and it didn't work.
(Have you tried it since you discovered you were coeliac? It may have been other foods in your diet that negated the effects of the water).
You're throwing away the small regular meals idea too (which, as you've said yourself seems to be down to your 'hunger' perceptions being out of whack and I can totally relate to that - buuuuut, perhpas that's just one of those things you need to work really hard on. I know I did )
There's a lot of very, very helpful folk on the board, maybe just try listening and not defending everything? No-one's saying you absolutely categorically must take on board what's being said (and no-one knows your body like you do) but it's hard to keep giving advice when every anecdote or tip being administered gets rejected!0 -
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aare no-one is point-scoring - you asked for ideas, you were given them, and you're rejecting every single one Each suggestion put forward is being met with a "thanks but no-thanks response" from you:!
Actually that isn't even slightly true g'em...
Go back and look...
I am upset by your post because I honestly thought we were past the "your problem doesn't fit our solutions so another problem that does will be allocated to you" attitude.
You are actually supporting Corkcomp in stating that I didn't gain and lose 11lbs of anything in 3 days (sorry, but I was standing here, and I did...lies are NOT my "thing") and implying that my water retention has nothing to do with my sensitivities, when it is medically established that it is everything to do with them, and is only about my aversion to water when reality has established it is nothing to do with it. That is way out of line not only on Corkcomp's part but even more so on yours, and not least because it is one step from telling me to ignore hard learned medical lessons and advice!People trying to lose weight are very often told to relax their vice-like grip on the scales, the obsession only leads to daily dissapointment and an inability to see the big picture.
However, you won't stop using the scales because it's your way of tracking weight (and thereby intolerance) responses.
Actually, I *can't* stop using the scales because it would be dangerous to do so as it is my most definitive way of tracking the autoimmune responses that cause extreme water retention.
I *won't* stop using them because people are different and I find weighing myself motivational in terms of weight loss, and I do have the right to recognise and assert that feeling.
People do not come from a cookie cutter, if not using the scales works for some people, in terms of motivation, FINE, but that doesn't mean it works for everyone, or even that it has to.
Funny thing is, I wouldn't dream of telling anyone that shouldn't work for them just because it doesn't work for me, because I am old enough and wise enough to know that each individual knows best what works for them psychologically.The best way to prevent water retention is, quite simply, to drink more water.
However you hate the taste of water and tried that before and it didn't work.
(Have you tried it since you discovered you were coeliac? It may have been other foods in your diet that negated the effects of the water).
I have to say, no, not without fruit tea in it, but, since I cut out the foods I am sensitive to, water retention is so NOT a problem...UNLESS I ingest something I am sensitive to (which, I feel bound to point out, is a very individual thing, just because I am sensitive to something, doesn't mean every celiac is, many are extremelly sensitive to soy, I am not).
But to tell anyone with extreme water retention that all they need to do is "drink more water" could be very dangerous advice indeed, as extreme water retention is often indicative of underlying congestive heart failure or kidney conditions where drinking too much water could easily be fatal...
However, my problem is that I honestly hate the taste of water and to try and face 8 glasses a day would be a very miserable life as a result. I bet I am not the only person who ever felt that way...so I prefer to be honest about it and ask for suggestions to work round it...why do you have a problem with that practical level of honesty?
Would you prefer me to lie and just say "ok" without even trying to explore the options?You're throwing away the small regular meals idea too
Oh did I?
First I heard of it...please show me where :rolleyes:
Really, seriously, I resent you twisting what I actually said so that you can attack me (which is what Corkcomp was doing too).
I accepted that idea, but mentioned that whenever I try it I wind up eating far more because eating a small meal just wakes up my digestive system and makes me feel hungrier (which I am surprised you don't know, is actually quite normal) which is probably amplified many times by my celiac reaction.
The usual approach to this (I am surprised you do not know this too) is to focus on low GI foods that stay in the system longer such as brown rice, yams, nuts and seeds...BUT...unfortunately most of these are ruled out by my sensitivities I asked for any suggestions...which is not "throwing the idea away" at all, just asking for further advice specific to my condition.(which, as you've said yourself seems to be down to your 'hunger' perceptions being out of whack and I can totally relate to that - buuuuut, perhpas that's just one of those things you need to work really hard on. I know I did )
...and I bet a lot of your "working hard" involved choosing items for your diet that I cannot tolerate...
Instead of informing me that I "threw away" the idea, when I didn't (which is an insult to both myself and Taconnol who posted it) how about trying to suggest some low GI foods I may be able to tolerate that will have a similar effect?There's a lot of very, very helpful folk on the board, maybe just try listening and not defending everything? No-one's saying you absolutely categorically must take on board what's being said (and no-one knows your body like you do) but it's hard to keep giving advice when every anecdote or tip being administered gets rejected!
I posted here because you told me things had changed. I was hoping that it would be possible to get some useful suggestions for dealing with what is a personal dietary minefield.
Do you really think that, for example, twisting someone's words, as you, and Corkcomp, did with mine, will actually make something work for them that does not?
Of course it won't...
That is not being helpful, that is just looking for validation for what are, after all only your personal opinions and experiences.
The people who do not fit your personal opinions and experiences just get sick of being attacked and go away...which, of course, does mean that all you are left with are people who's opinions and experiences validate you, but that isn't the same thing as being right in all circumstances.
I am very disappointed, and I am going away too.
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ok, lets get back to basics, you came on and asked for advice and said you were willing to try almost anything? You have been given two pieces of advice which are not drastic by any means (i.e. drink lots of water and ditch the scales or use them infrequently), tough if you dont like that advice because this is a public forum and if you ask for advice you will get it .. personally i was not attempting to point score and i doubt taconnell was either .. if you chose to ignore the (well intentioned) advice then i dont think anyone will loose any sleep over it 0
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Ok, let's see what people can do with this.
I am a recovering celiac, totally gluten free, I am also too sensitive for:- Peanuts (and not happy to trust other nuts right now)
- Dairy
- Eggs
- Red Fish
- Tannins
...and expect that list to go on growing.
Ok, well here are some suggestions. I am going to make suggestions based on the "legal" foods list you posted, although you have contradicted yourself somewhat by saying you can't eat fruit, don't want to eat nuts etc. Lots of fruits and nut products are allowed on the SCD. Nevertheless I will give it a go, replacing the dairy in the SCD with soy, or similar, products. Even though soy is illegal on the SCD! The list also says canned products are illegal but I am guessing you have no problems (based on what you've said) with eating canned tomatoes or tomato puree.
Breakfasts:
Bacon, grilled, served with tomatoes and mushrooms
Gluten free pork sausages, sliced, and fried in a "hash" with chopped vegetables of your choice (onions, button mushrooms, canned tomatoes)
Smoothie made with soy yoghurt, banana, mixed berries and soy milk
Celery sticks or sliced apples with almond butter
Fruit salad made of berries and watermelon topped with soy yoghurt
Roasted figs with honey and soy yoghurt
Sliced papaya with lemon juice squeezed over it
Grilled kebabs made with chunks of ham and pineapple
Lunches and dinners:
Large salads made with mixed leaves and sliced marinated meats, with home-made dressings
Home-made soups made from sliced mixed vegetables, fresh stock, lots of herbs and shredded meat
Tagines and stews - stewed meats/fish and vegetables in tomato juice or stock with plenty of spices and seasonings
Plate of roasted meat/white fish and veg
Fried steak with lots of onions and mushrooms
Meat and vegetable kebabs with home-made salsa/guacamole for dipping
Spicy homemade meatballs in a home-made tomato sauce
Home-made lamb or beef burgers with fried onions and salad
Now if any of these options are not viable, instead of writing them off - COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE.
If you won't drink water, could you have two glasses of fruit tea with each meal? Also, have you tried drinking sparkling water, or flavouring your water with a little cordial or fruit juice?
Don't go off in a sulk aare, most people are trying to offer advice. Nobody here is a nutritionist or medical specialist and all we can offer is what we know. Also the internet is not a great medium for reading tone. And, not everyone will like you, and that's normal. We all have a few folks on our ignore list. Just go on about your business and ignore nay-sayers, but folks like g'em will genuinely help you, so swallow your pride and listen to any valuable criticisms and ignore the useless ones. 0 -
Neuro-praxis,
I had to come back and thank you for a super, useful post. I have saved all your food suggestions.
I must explain about the SCD - you are supposed to ALSO exclude existing intolerances. It's not my new religion, or anything, but apart from my sensitivities I can't get away from the fact that the stuff on the "illegal" list tends to be the stuff that upsets me (I think "canned tomatoes" and puree are more a "matter of principle" and "for fear of additives" thing? - I use loads of puree).
I am staying away from fruit for now until the weight starts going down, just to keep the calories and carbs down (same reason I am stoically refusing to explore the world of "gluten free baking"). Nuts and seeds are something I am very wary about because I did often grab them as a "quick lunch" from Aldi or Lidl but ALWAYS with the same water bloating effect that reveals a sensitivity. I think they are something I am going to have to try very carefully, one type at a time...
All my water had something in it, whether coffee or fruit tea (cordial always seems to have two much suger in it or taste nasty), and my point is that surely that doesn't make any difference...it's the same water, after all.
The coffee is a deliberate choice...it keeps me just hooked enough to stop me forgetting to drink fluids.
I wasn't sulking, I just couldn't see any point. Corkcomp was twisting parts of my posts and then making, pretty irrelevant, one line snipes, which is just silly, until g'em backed her up...as though she only read corkcomps sniping and judged me on those without reading my actual posts at all.
So yes g'em, I do expect people to "take issue with my posts", at least it shows they are thinking. If they raise a point about something I have actually said. But what is the point in me posting here just for people to twist my words to find grounds to snipe, rather senselessly, and getting supported by a moderator in doing so?
That is just wrong, and, for me, amounts to beating my head against a brick wall...never a terrible succcessful practice, IMHO.
Dave:
I said that while I have never been a "brekfast person", I make a conscious effort to eat within an hour of getting up...but so far that only causes weight gain, and makes me ravenously hungry all day.
You have to remember that my system slowed to a crawl for decades because celiac was literally starving me whatever I ate. I have to accept that I may never be able to eat normally unless I am prepared to be fat. Which I am not.
I am not saying these things to be awkward, but because they are true, and may affect a lot of other people.0 -
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i did not set out to "twist" any of your posts,
Oh Really?
Odd considering I said:Still waiting on suggestions here, but I have learned something this week.
I gained 8lbs because I ate a tin of baked beans and a single fried yam (not together! Just in the same day).
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With the aid of prescription medication (nope, I ain't specifyin') that water weight has gone.
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This morning I woke up at 14st 1lb ...not a big deal, until you realise I went to bed on Wednesday at 14st 11lb.
I would say that 14st 1lb is my actual weight with all excess water gone...and with a nice, flat, untroubled tum too...
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And you replied:I gained 8lbs because I ate a tin of baked beans and a single fried yam (not together! Just in the same day).
Sorry but that is rubbish! Thats over half a stone and there is no way you could have gained that in either fat or muscle ... if you obsess over weighing yourself you will end up all over the place, my weight could be + - 2 KG on two consecutive mornings. My advice would be to weigh yourself about ONCE every 10 days first thing in the morning
And then there is more - you said:i can see you have the wrong idea about a lot of things, eating breakfast wont cause weight gain
Which statement you presumeably derived from the only mentions I made of anything like brekfast which are:
Within 3 hours of waking (I keep funny hours so normal "meal times" aren't that relevant):
4 rashers,
handful of mushrooms
3/4 tomatos
cooked in olive oil
andI am NOT (never have been) a breakfast person, but I had already made a conscious decision to eat as soon as I wake up.
Perhaps you would like to point out just how your statement relates to anything at all I actually SAID (or think)? No, I bet you wouldn't...and I bet you never do either.
Though there is this:I said that while I have never been a "brekfast person", I make a conscious effort to eat within an hour of getting up...but so far that only causes weight gain, and makes me ravenously hungry all day.
...and sorry, but so far, that is what actually happens, whether you gave it "permission to" or not.
Now I can appreciate that you might see putting immense effort into twisting people's words to try to make then look and feel small as "assisting them with weight loss" but it isn't. Personally I won't bother reading your posts any more after this...maybe sniping and put downs help some people, I don't know, but they just make me lose all respect for, and interest in, the person concerned.eclectichoney wrote: »As far as I know coffee actually acts as a diuretic because of the caffeine, so it may not be the best thing to drink to hydrate yourself.
I used to not like water very much, but I started adding a dash of sugar-free cordial to pints of it, and gradually reduced it over time as you adjust to the taste, and believe it or not I now *love* water and could easily get through 3 litres or more a day without even thinking about it! Maybe give it a chance - it really is a great thirst quencher.
Hi Eclectic Honey,
Thanks, at last another useful suggestion, instead of a snipe...I honestly did try that for years, and STILL hate water (only water I can get down reliably is Aldi flavoured)...it also didn't make any noticeable difference. See I am one of those people who has always been a great and persistent tea or coffee drinker anyway. I take in loads of fluid.
One thing I have learned researching all this (You think I didn't? Why?) is that the kidneys need "enough" fluid to function, but more than that achieves nothing and may actually do harm.
It occurs to me that people may be misunderstand after all this sidetracking. I doubt very much if I am in need of additional hydration.
I have had to take prescription diurectics for years just to keep the water retention under control, so a more natural diurectic, like coffee, if it is doing the job, is not necessarily a *bad thing* for me, particularly if it also has a mild laxative effect (chronic constipation is a much more recent, '98, problem, but no more helpful for that).
When I say "water retention", I don't mean a little puffiness around the feet and ankles, I mean tight skinned swelling so bad that I cannot get any shoes on my feet and can barely walk.
This has been happening since I was in my early 20s, and not even close to overweight. No one could diagnose it. The day I realised I couldn't eat tannins as well as gluten it just went away....unless I eat contaminated food.
I did not actually realise I had anything more than dependent odema until the stuff around my stomach and chest cavity went away too...and I sometimes, genuinely, lose over half a stone over night.
The reason I posted here is because, as my gut heals, and I absorb more nutrition than I have in decades I am still gaining weight on (apparently, that shocked me:eek:) just over 1000 calories a day, and I am already overweight.
I was hoping that people here wouldn't mind spending a little time applying what you know about nutrition to figuring a way round that...and a few people already have, for which I thank you SO MUCH...
But many other people seem to think that if they browbeat me enough either my whacko system will come into line with what they tell themselves "95%" of people are like (which I would dispute even from my personal friends as just being a "wild guess" rather than a remotely accurate statistic), or at least I will let myself be bullied into pretending it has.
What on earth does that achieve?
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Finally. Its a blog you want not a forum.
That should be one of the most sensible suggestions so far...it was my original idea.
I reckon people might be able to learn quite a lot about calmer, more normal metabolic reactions from my rather melodramatic ones, if they only quit preaching, opened their minds and looked.
I don't have an agenda I want them to learn, as I am only learning myself, just whatever may occur.
I know now how much water weight comes from a *REACTION* as well as how much comes from tannin and gluten-free (I never liked beer ANYWAY) alcohol (OOOPS! Does that mean I am not perfect? ), as well as how much is overall *real* weight gain (2lbs this week, which is ok as it was a weird week with a lot of eating out and boozing I really don't usually do).
I had to weigh myself consistently for a couple of months to work that stuff out properly, but I like knowing it and it has played a huge part in identifying two of my worst reactions.
I LIKE knowing that I haven't permanently gained any huge quantities of weight in the past month, it gives ME confidence in myself and my appearance, and a reason to go on finding the willpower and "hard work" to restrict my food intake.
At least I have learned how to keep my weight stable...the next step is to try and lose the last bit that annoys me...
I thought it would be interesting to blog that here but there doesn't seem any point in the face of remarks like this:personally i was not attempting to point score and i doubt taconnell was either
Not just a person who doesn't like me being nasty (she, he or it doesn't even know me to like me or otherwise) - a deliberate attempt to stir taconnell into some kind of flame war...when I have stressed over and over that I certainly would not include taconnell in the "point scoring category".
Just silly tactics, that must be quite a regular thing...and yet a moderator chose defend that person and censure me...
So what is the point?
I have some very big serious grown up problems to tackle in my life right now (just the way the cards were dealt)...I don't have the energy to pick my way around spiteful little head games and dysfunctional group dynamics to get to the good stuff...and there has been some good stuff...for which I sincerely thank those responsible.0 -
Oh Really?
Odd considering I said:
And you replied:
And then there is more - you said:
Which statement you presumeably derived from the only mentions I made of anything like brekfast which are:
and
Perhaps you would like to point out just how your statement relates to anything at all I actually SAID (or think)? No, I bet you wouldn't...and I bet you never do either.
Though there is this:
...and sorry, but so far, that is what actually happens, whether you gave it "permission to" or not.
Now I can appreciate that you might see putting immense effort into twisting people's words to try to make then look and feel small as "assisting them with weight loss" but it isn't. Personally I won't bother reading your posts any more after this...maybe sniping and put downs help some people, I don't know, but they just make me lose all respect for, and interest in, the person concerned.
Hi Eclectic Honey,
Thanks, at last another useful suggestion, instead of a snipe...I honestly did try that for years, and STILL hate water (only water I can get down reliably is Aldi flavoured)...it also didn't make any noticeable difference. See I am one of those people who has always been a great and persistent tea or coffee drinker anyway. I take in loads of fluid.
One thing I have learned researching all this (You think I didn't? Why?) is that the kidneys need "enough" fluid to function, but more than that achieves nothing and may actually do harm.
It occurs to me that people may be misunderstand after all this sidetracking. I doubt very much if I am in need of additional hydration.
I have had to take prescription diurectics for years just to keep the water retention under control, so a more natural diurectic, like coffee, if it is doing the job, is not necessarily a *bad thing* for me, particularly if it also has a mild laxative effect (chronic constipation is a much more recent, '98, problem, but no more helpful for that).
When I say "water retention", I don't mean a little puffiness around the feet and ankles, I mean tight skinned swelling so bad that I cannot get any shoes on my feet and can barely walk.
This has been happening since I was in my early 20s, and not even close to overweight. No one could diagnose it. The day I realised I couldn't eat tannins as well as gluten it just went away....unless I eat contaminated food.
I did not actually realise I had anything more than dependent odema until the stuff around my stomach and chest cavity went away too...and I sometimes, genuinely, lose over half a stone over night.
The reason I posted here is because, as my gut heals, and I absorb more nutrition than I have in decades I am still gaining weight on (apparently, that shocked me:eek:) just over 1000 calories a day, and I am already overweight.
I was hoping that people here wouldn't mind spending a little time applying what you know about nutrition to figuring a way round that...and a few people already have, for which I thank you SO MUCH...
But many other people seem to think that if they browbeat me enough either my whacko system will come into line with what they tell themselves "95%" of people are like (which I would dispute even from my personal friends as just being a "wild guess" rather than a remotely accurate statistic), or at least I will let myself be bullied into pretending it has.
What on earth does that achieve?
For anyone?
a few comments - you are the one trying to twist my posts .. you clearly stated that eating breakfast causes YOU to gain weight, my comment was that eating a healthy breakfast wont cause weight gain, i honestly cant see anything wrong with me making that comment? Eating breakfast will start the metabolism for the day and give your body the energy it needs after an overnight fast ...
and you know what? i dont care if you choose not to read my posts but like i said before all of my posts were designed to help you. In my opinion (and its just my opinion as someone who has lost a lot of weight successfully) you are making a few fundamental mistakes when it comes to loosing weight and you could well be slowing down your metabolism by not drinking enough water and by taking in too few calories along with not spreading your food out over enough meals per day ...
Also, it might not be a bad idea to take a step back from the keyboard and maybe criticise any of the ACTUAL ADVICE i have given you rather than trying to launch a personal attack and general rant.0 -
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