Leinster (All over again)

Hamo

Does anyone beleive that the whole Leinster org could be as arrogant that all they had to do against Glasgow was show up... yet again we had the 'joy' to view Leinster unable to demonstrate back to back performances...

I'm an avid Leinster fan and believe me living outside of Dublin, a pretty scarce one, I've had pleantly of the Munster fans from 'Leinster' giving it their all but to see Leinster simply not perform on Friday night was abysmal and akin to not caring about the domestic ML

Serenity Now!

Arrogant? :rolleyes:

Plenty of Leinster fans outside of Dublin too, by the way. Ever been at Connolly or Heuston station the day of an RDS game.

Watched a replay of the game last night. Cheika has every right to be as mad as he was afterwards but as far as "arrogance" goes, a bad descript in my opinion.

Amz

As a fan from outside Dublin, I find your attitude arrogant Hamo.

They're not the only team in any competition to perform/underperform as they did on Friday. So to single them out for that criticism is highly unfair. The Munster fans you're lauding didn't exactly have much to cheer about last night for very similar reasons to Leinster, no matter what part of the country they came from.

toomevara

A strange thread, I wouldn't put Leinster's defeat down to arrogance in any way. Any side can have an off night, the conditions were crap and Glasgow are exceptionally tough, dogged opponents who never lie down and also play on the edge of legality all the time (fair play to them)....Indeed you could argue,with respect, Hamo that you're displaying arrogance in failing to credit a solid match winning Glasgow performance..

As a Munster man I detected no arrogance in Leinster's demeanour on the pitch. They clearly gave Glasgow respect..Simply a below par perfrormance against difficult, tenacious opponents...can happen to anyone, as a rejigged Munster found to their cost last night...:(

themont85

Leinster were pants on Friday and its tough to see them being unable to put back to back performances together. Remember though that the same Munster fans prorbably said that they didn't care about the ML last year. I would liken the performance in some respects to that of Munsters a couple of weeks back, complacency and an inability to get up for the match almost cost them dear. Defending the ML now is gonna be very tough now for Leinster which is unfortunate.

anonymous_joe

Both Munster and Leinster went out against tough teams (Ulster historically :P) with weakend squads due to injury and resting.

Add to that, horrid conditions in particular in Glasgee and the fact that the game boiled down to Parks 5/5 Contepomi 4/5... Leinster and Glasgow were inseperable. They should have shown a bit more in attack I reckon but that's a factor for another day.

What I would say, and something I've said to my mates time and time again, we've never replaced Hickie, and we need too. Ulster got two tries last night from a fast powerful presence on the wing. Now I know Boss and Wallace both scored tries (Wallace's should have been from the angle you could see I thought) but the big finisher was the difference. Leinster really need to find that player. Munster have Howlett after all and Ulster have their Fijian. Very few teams lack such a finisher.

[Jackass]

The concerning thing is that this Leinster team wasn't a second string by any stretch of the imagination.

About 10 of the players who started in the demolition of Wasps started this game. (if not more)

The performance was poor, but you will see in every sport, in every league, teams get what's known as a "European Hangover".

Typically, this is 2 intensive weeks of training with ultra competetive games where the energy, physically and emotionally is sapped from the players.

Then, the following week, there is a sub par performance in the domestic "bread and butter".

I was bitterly disapointed with the performance and result, again, another oppertunity to come back into contention in the league and we blew it. If we had taken basic wins over Connacht and Glasgow over the last 2 rounds we would be joint second in the league on 19 points.

But in fairness to Glasgow and Connacht, they were good sides who outplayed us on the day and were fully worth their victory. Maybe it was a combination of the players not showing up and not playing and also the opposition being up for the game and not letting us play.

I think the AI's have come at a good time for us. We need to regroup in December, get the Dragons game done with a big win, then we can head off to Europe with wrapping up the group in mind and then the new year we can focus on the league (not whitstanding the 2 majorly important European matches in early January also).

I think it's a missed oppertunity though. We could have put ourselves back in contention, but we have left ourselves a massive task to pull ourselves back into the title race this year.

Winning or losing it, ML is a very important competition to me, and I will be gutted, no matter what happens in Europe, if we don't give a ferocious performance in the league trying to retain our title.

It's all up hill now though and we've left ourselves with a lot of work to do, which is disapointing.

old boy

the reality is all leinster have beaten this year is a prem. side who had no game won

[Jackass]

Well they are defending GP champions and had beaten Leicester Tigers away just before they played us and we also beat a decent Ospreys side topping the table.

Heroditas

old boy wrote: »

the reality is all leinster have beaten this year is a prem. side who had no game won

Really? :rolleyes:

Podge_irl

Hamo wrote: »

akin to not caring about the domestic ML

Leinster are about the only side in the ML who have consistently shown they actually care about it. Its possible that their performances are not as good this year because they finally managed to win it, or perhaps other teams are simply more up for it because of whom they are facing.

I have been very, very disappointed with Leinster's performance in the league this year so far. I was really expecting big things from them, I thought they were in with a shot of being the first (?) team to defend the ML crown.

wixfjord

Hamo wrote: »

Does anyone beleive that the whole Leinster org could be as arrogant that all they had to do against Glasgow was show up... yet again we had the 'joy' to view Leinster unable to demonstrate back to back performances...

I'm an avid Leinster fan and believe me living outside of Dublin, a pretty scarce one, I've had pleantly of the Munster fans from 'Leinster' giving it their all but to see Leinster simply not perform on Friday night was abysmal and akin to not caring about the domestic ML

Pretty scarce? Leinster have a massive fan base all over the province, and players from places as diverse as Louth Meath Carlow and Wexford! Although it really annoys these idiots that jump on the Munster bandwagon, leaves a bitter taste to say the least, and for me its got a lot to do with why I dont particularly shout for munster.

Can you say the same about Munster the other night? They were very poor aswell. Leinster have always been prone to these types of performances and ive always been of the opinion that with contepomi at out half, so called unglamarous games where a grinding win is needed become a lot tougher.

I also think the comment about not caring about the ML isnt correct. If anything the opposite is true, for the last couple of years especially. Munster were HC champions last year but had a relatively poor ML.

Fishtits

Leinster have had several years build up to where they are now. Its now at the stage of serious HC challengers - SF - or else.

They need to develop a serious, passionate relationship with their fans

louthandproud

wixfjord wrote: »

Pretty scarce? Leinster have a massive fan base all over the province, and players from places as diverse as Louth Meath Carlow and Wexford! Although it really annoys these idiots that jump on the Munster bandwagon, leaves a bitter taste to say the least, and for me its got a lot to do with why I dont particularly shout for munster.

I wish people would stop referring to Munsters support as a band wagon. Rugby has always been hugely supported in Munster (and elsewhere but to lesser extents), of course the support for the provincial side has ramped up due to the creation of the European cup and Munsters success in it, which started with getting out of the group for the first time on I think the 3rd or 4th attempt, at which point they had to start making games all ticket due to increased demand.

Prior to the European cup and ML, the AIL was the big domestic competition and Munster teams were by far and away the best supported in that, with Thomond park, Dooradoyle and Tom Clifford park regularly packed in with 10'000 plus fans. Simlimar story for Cork but to a lesser degree, this is when Leinster clubs were struggling to get 1000 through the gates.

Leinster support has grown hugely now too, especially in the last 5-6 years or so. Indeed they probably have a bigger support base than Munster at this point, and I welcome it, but I don't call their newer supporters bandwagon supporters either. It's just not nice.

I hope Munsters and Leinsters and indeed Ulsters and Connacht's support too continue to grow and acquire new fans. The more the merrier and the better for Irish rugby in general.

Inter provincial rivalry is fine but to call rugby supporters in Munster bandwagon supporters just shows a lack of understanding about ruby in Ireland and its history.