Apple "tax"

K.O.Kiki · 20-10-2008 3:02pm #1

?what?

Please excuse me, I'm in work & trying to read through the PR BS/lies is probably going to take me a while.

Have fun dissecting it!

babypink · 20-10-2008 5:05pm

perhaps this is what got unklerosco going in his thread.

just remember who they're interviewing there...

*grabs a pinch of salt*

PeakOutput · 20-10-2008 5:11pm

hes just talking about extra charges none of which the informed consumer needs

if you want office you dont need to buy parallels and a boxed version of windows for example

he isnt particularly wrong on any one point they just arent big problems at all

projectmayhem · 20-10-2008 5:14pm

Funny enough I know someone who bought a new macbook and is running Vista in bootcamp. This is that whole "apple tax" thing I guess. No OEM versions of Vista for Mac... Maybe a kick in the nuts to Apple would be a free OEM version of Vista?

aidan_walsh · 20-10-2008 5:17pm

Why would Apple offer an optional second OS as an OEM?

Sad Professor · 20-10-2008 5:19pm

Bah, you get what you pay for. I'd rather pay the Apple "tax" and get a machine and OS that doesn't have me shouting at the screen and tearing my hair out.

projectmayhem · 20-10-2008 5:26pm

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Why would Apple offer an optional second OS as an OEM?

Sorry had the term OEM in my head... I mean MS offering some sort of free version of Vista for Macs, just to piss Apple off.

aidan_walsh · 20-10-2008 5:29pm

projectmayhem wrote: »

Sorry had the term OEM in my head... I mean MS offering some sort of free version of Vista for Macs, just to piss Apple off.

I doubt it would. Apple have been heavily advertising Bootcamp as a benefit online, and even ran ads touting them as the best possible machine for Vista for a while.

unklerosco · 20-10-2008 6:13pm

babypink wrote: »

perhaps this is what got unklerosco going in his thread.

Afraid not... What got me to post that thread was my iPhone doing my head in today and then seeing that add posted on Gizmodo earlier... I just had to get my fustrations off my chest.

Saw something over the weekend about the apple tax but never read it...

Dont be at yourself · 20-10-2008 7:48pm

In fairness, OS X comes with a lot of useful programmes that Windows doesn't. Its iLife suite is second to none for managing the average user's media.

unklerosco · 20-10-2008 8:10pm

OSX doesn't come with iLife... I think windows actually comes with more usefull software than OSX.

Dont be at yourself · 20-10-2008 8:34pm

Sorry, Apple computers come with iLife. Apps like those go some way to explain the 'Apple Tax'

pleasant Co. · 21-10-2008 8:38am

Sad Professor wrote: »

Bah, you get what you pay for. I'd rather pay the Apple "tax" and get a machine and OS that doesn't have me shouting at the screen and tearing my hair out.

Except when the system hangs for no obvious reason, or the spinning spiral of death doesn't want to go away, or one of those mysterious "error -13532" (substitute digits how as you like) appear

Edit: Forgot to mention the Grey screen of Death.....

I've yet to come across any OS that doesn't go fruity at some point...

ec18 · 21-10-2008 9:03am

Same can be said for all OS's. None of them are perfect, it's down to personal preference at the end of the day. I prefer the mac OS

Sad Professor · 21-10-2008 10:29am

Mactard wrote: »

Except when the system hangs for no obvious reason, or the spinning spiral of death doesn't want to go away, or one of those mysterious "error -13532" (substitute digits how as you like) appear

Edit: Forgot to mention the Grey screen of Death.....

I've yet to come across any OS that doesn't go fruity at some point...

I didn't say it was perfect, although I've rarely ever experienced any of those issues on a Mac.

pleasant Co. · 21-10-2008 2:52pm

ec18 wrote: »

Same can be said for all OS's.

errr, that's why I said:

"I've yet to come across any OS that doesn't go fruity at some point..."

Sad Professor wrote: »

I didn't say it was perfect, although I've rarely ever experienced any of those issues on a Mac.

And I didn't imply that you said it was perfect, my remark was in reference to what you had said.

projectmayhem · 21-10-2008 4:50pm

Mactard wrote: »

Except when the system hangs for no obvious reason, or the spinning spiral of death doesn't want to go away, or one of those mysterious "error -13532" (substitute digits how as you like) appear

Edit: Forgot to mention the Grey screen of Death.....

I've yet to come across any OS that doesn't go fruity at some point...

I bought my MBP in Feb and have yet to come accross anything like this bar the "spiral of death" which has only ever lasted 20 seconds if not less at any given time...

pleasant Co. · 21-10-2008 5:04pm

projectmayhem wrote: »

I bought my MBP in Feb and have yet to come accross anything like this bar the "spiral of death" which has only ever lasted 20 seconds if not less at any given time...

I've come across all these issues at some point or another, but then again I've been using macs for a long time...well not that long, only 6 years....well longer than that but there was a 4 year break where I used XP because I couldn't afford to buy a mac of my own... but in that time I've used many many a mac...

Note: I did not say this was rampant among OSX or that it happened all the time or anything like that, I merely pointed out that this stuff happens too...I'm sure many windows users have never run into the BSoD or any problems with their system (obviously, otherwise they would not have such a monopoly) but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I'd also like to apologise for drawing this thread off topic, that was not my intention.

ZENER · 21-10-2008 11:41pm

With all the Macs I've owned I've only seen the Grey Screen on 2. One was a PowerMac G4 733 into which I'd installed a 1.2GHz CPU upgrade, the other was a h***intosh with a dodgy Firewire card.

NONE of my genuine unaltered Macs have ever crashed.

I've just read the article by the way. What a load of SH!T !! You can connect a BD Drive to a Mac and it will work. Show me a Microsoft computer that comes with a BD Drive built in. Also does he know that his company make Office for Mac ? As for upgrading, Hard drives and RAM are all upgradable - everything else is built in. I stopped reading after that because that guy is clueless.

ZEN

AlmightyCushion · 22-10-2008 12:36am

ZENER wrote: »

You can connect a BD Drive to a Mac and it will work. Show me a Microsoft computer that comes with a BD Drive built in.

There are loads of windows based pcs with blu ray drives built in.

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1547360855.1224635599@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccegadefheffhedcflgceggdhhmdgmh.0&page=Product&fm=null&sm=null&tm=null&sku=576061&category_oid=-35054

Also when he says you need to get windows and parallels to use office, I think he might be referring to one of the business versions with publisher and access and the like.

ZENER · 22-10-2008 11:18am

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

There are loads of windows based pcs with blu ray drives built in.

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1547360855.1224635599@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccegadefheffhedcflgceggdhhmdgmh.0&page=Product&fm=null&sm=null&tm=null&sku=576061&category_oid=-35054

None of which are made by Microsoft which was my point. He suggests that Apple computers cannot access BD Drives, which is of course incorrect, and that Microsoft ones can.

Also when he says you need to get windows and parallels to use office, I think he might be referring to one of the business versions with publisher and access and the like.

Possibly true but there are better apps than Publisher, Quark ?

It was also difficult to pin him down on the subject of viruses - he skipped around the topic by quoting percentages and phishing statistics rather than address the problems all Windows machines have with malware.

ZEN

AlmightyCushion · 22-10-2008 8:50pm

ZENER wrote: »

None of which are made by Microsoft which was my point. He suggests that Apple computers cannot access BD Drives, which is of course incorrect, and that Microsoft ones can.

He didn't say they can't access or use blu ray drives, he said apple don't have computers with blu ray whereas windows based pcs do have.

ZENER wrote: »

Possibly true but there are better apps than Publisher, Quark ?

Not saying there isn't better applications than the one microsoft provide. Just saying it's probably the reason why he said you have to use parrallels to use office properly.

ZENER · 22-10-2008 10:51pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

He didn't say they can't access or use blu ray drives, he said apple don't have computers with blu ray whereas windows based pcs do have.

I can't help but see the irony in this topic. Wasn't it MS that lead the charge of HD-DVD against BD.

He said:

. . . . Those types of things just don't come with a Mac. And that you don't get the best in terms of hardware experiences, you don't get high-definition playback on Blu-ray DVD on a Mac. You can't do it, can't get it, it's just not there.

Not saying there isn't better applications than the one microsoft provide. Just saying it's probably the reason why he said you have to use parrallels to use office properly.

Those kind of users are predominantly business or commercial clients where Windows is the standard OS. No one would suggest that a Mac could replace that kind of system and while MS Office is the standard of its genre it never will. However in Graphics and creative production environments Macs reign at least anywhere I've visited.

ZEN

Oafley Jones · 23-10-2008 8:58am

Mactard wrote: »

Except when the system hangs for no obvious reason, or the spinning spiral of death doesn't want to go away, or one of those mysterious "error -13532" (substitute digits how as you like) appear

Edit: Forgot to mention the Grey screen of Death.....

I've yet to come across any OS that doesn't go fruity at some point...

Let's not forget programs abruptly quitting without warning. Had an ibook with Panther than was very fond of Kernal panics, turned out to be UCC's antivirus that was setting it off. Same machine died - aged 13months - of the famous logic board failure, which Apple claims was solved by Rev D.

Later on wanted to downgrade from Leopard to Tiger, which I found far more stable.

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