Petrol now cheaper in the UK than here

snaps

Just seen on the UK news unleaded is now £.99/L in all the major supermarkets in the UK. So that means with the current exchange rate its cheaper in the UK/North!

Unleaded here in my town has gone up to €1.30c/L.

Asda selling petrol at £.99 equates to around €1.21/L

Climate Expert

We pay more road tax, a massive amount more for our cars thanks to VRT, more insurance (maybe this has changed), and more VAT.

cantdecide

Climate Expert wrote: »

We pay more road tax, a massive amount more for our cars thanks to VRT, more insurance (maybe this has changed), and more VAT.

I keep asking the question- what country has motorists that are taxed more than us?? I think the answer is none.

L1011

Is there not still some garages down in the 113 range here? As theres been wholesale price cuts since the Revenue hike.

Niall Clarke in Ballymascanlon might have to haul back his 3-4c/litre hike over stations further south though!

Ferris

cantdecide wrote: »

I keep asking the question- what country has motorists that are taxed more than us?? I think the answer is none.

Singapore, Massive taxes. it pays for fully integrated public transport however.

Alanstrainor

Petrol is 1.18 in my local...and that was this afternoon

mike65

Of course they havn't just had a budget.

Mike

AntiVirus

Well it looks like he's shot himself in the foot the plonker!

He said there was huge loss of revenue to Northern Ireland, because of the number of goods and services being purchased there by shoppers from the Republic. The Minister said this substantial expenditure meant the Government had to impose higher taxes for essential public services.

Minister Lenihan said this was the consequence if people opted to buy in another State. He said the only substantial 'compensatory payment' the State was getting for the loss of revenue was from Northern motorists who cross the border for cheaper petrol.

http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/1015/budgetlenihan.html

ninty9er

AntiVirus wrote: »

Well it looks like he's shot himself in the foot the plonker!



http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/1015/budgetlenihan.html

Yes:rolleyes: it would really be worth the whole country's while to drive however many miles to the border and fill up in the UK:rolleyes:

AntiVirus

ninty9er wrote: »

Yes:rolleyes: it would really be worth the whole country's while to drive however many miles to the border and fill up in the UK:rolleyes:

lol!

I think some one should explain the message to you

snaps

AntiVirus wrote: »

Well it looks like he's shot himself in the foot the plonker!



http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/1015/budgetlenihan.html

You would have thought if he knew this was happening he would try to put measures in to reduce the numbers going cross border.

Not make it even more sense for us to go across the border for our luxurys!!!! Wine now is a must across the border.

_Kaiser_

ninty9er wrote: »

Yes:rolleyes: it would really be worth the whole country's while to drive however many miles to the border and fill up in the UK:rolleyes:

No, but as Lenihan points out himself, it is very worthwhile to drive up and do your shopping for the month if you're reasonably near the border.

But again - just like how SIMI are crying about people importing cars -rather than compete, our overpriced retail sector thinks they have a god..actually government..given right to keep ripping off the average punter through price-fixing and cartels, rather than compete for the business like would happen in most countries.

Once again...

Gordon Gekko wrote:

The new law of evolution in corporate America seems to be survival of the unfittest. Well, in my book you either do it right or you get eliminated

QFT... but, not in Ireland apparently :rolleyes:

AntiVirus

The main point in the link I posted is this:

"He said the only substantial 'compensatory payment' the State was getting for the loss of revenue was from Northern motorists who cross the border for cheaper petrol."

but now there going to stop buying there petrol here so he's shot himself in the foot,


the plonker!

DonJose

ninty9er wrote: »

Yes:rolleyes: it would really be worth the whole country's while to drive however many miles to the border and fill up in the UK:rolleyes:

If I didn't know you were a FF "supporter", I'd report you for trolling.

Tipsy Mac

The prices being the same will mean gob****e Gormley will now see that the rise in fuel use in Ireland was due to the NIRL motorists purchasing it down here. Cheaper fuel should have been kept as it was the one thing here that was cheaper and encouraged people living on the border to buy it in the south, now that's gone and we're all going to be heading North for the essentials . I would love to purchase a massive off license on the border, I would be a multi millionaire within a year.

DonJose

I was always under the impression that the UK factored the price of VRT into higher petrol taxes. That way motors are still affordable and can be changed every couple of years which will stimualte the economy. Now that Irish and UK petrol prices are the same we are basically paying 25% more than the UK for the "pleasure" of owning a car.

ucdperson

The situation is temporary, the UK Chancellor of the Exchequer is more than likely to stick something on petrol and wine in his budget as the UK needs the money too.

ART6

Well it looks like he's shot himself in the foot the plonker!


Quote:
He said there was huge loss of revenue to Northern Ireland, because of the number of goods and services being purchased there by shoppers from the Republic. The Minister said this substantial expenditure meant the Government had to impose higher taxes for essential public services.

Minister Lenihan said this was the consequence if people opted to buy in another State. He said the only substantial 'compensatory payment' the State was getting for the loss of revenue was from Northern motorists who cross the border for cheaper petrol.



And these are the people who drummed into us the enormous benefits of EU free markets. I wonder if Mr. Lenihan has any idea what one is?

* apologies for the copy and paste -- couldn't find any other way of doing it.

The_Conductor

Petrol 1.189 in Jones on the Quays in Dublin, 1.199 in Palmerstown Service Station at the Chapelizod slip on the N4, 1.199 at Texaco Ballydowd on the N4, and 1.229 in Topaz in Lucan village- all this evening.

Not sure where people are paying 1.30- but its definitely not the norm in Dublin......??

The_Conductor

ninty9er wrote: »

Yes:rolleyes: it would really be worth the whole country's while to drive however many miles to the border and fill up in the UK:rolleyes:

Perhaps not the whole country- but there are substantial and increasing numbers of people doing a monthly grocery shop up North- according to a recent report by RGDATA, who can now be reasonably expected to fuel to their list of purchases. Its a growing trend, and in light of VAT increases, and the lack of an effective competition authority down here- likely to snowball......

I never drove from Dublin specifically for fuel- I have done (and do continue to do so) frequently for Sainsburys, M&S (with half their ROI prices), Richersounds in Belfast, Sprucefield etc. etc......

DonJose

smccarrick wrote: »

Petrol 1.189 in Jones on the Quays in Dublin, 1.199 in Palmerstown Service Station at the Chapelizod slip on the N4, 1.199 at Texaco Ballydowd on the N4, and 1.229 in Topaz in Lucan village- all this evening.

Not sure where people are paying 1.30- but its definitely not the norm in Dublin......??

Drove past 2 petrol stations today and petrol is still cheaper than diesel. Either the petrol stations didn't change the price boards or they could easily absord the 8 cent rise

The_Conductor

DonJose wrote: »

Drove past 2 petrol stations today and petrol is still cheaper than diesel. Either the petrol stations didn't change the price boards or they could easily absord the 8 cent rise

Its actually been increased since yesterday in all of the petrol stations I named- but not by 8c in any of them...... I was most startled at how reasonable Texaco in Lucan had its prices........

snaps

Castlebar, westport, BAllinrobe most petrol stations charging between 127-130 for unleaded from today.

And yes 8c was added to the price here. 122 was the price yesterday so 130 is the 8c increase. Same with most petrol stations around town.

The_Conductor

DonJose wrote: »

Drove past 2 petrol stations today and petrol is still cheaper than diesel. Either the petrol stations didn't change the price boards or they could easily absord the 8 cent rise

Well- its not the case around here- Diesel is now about 2 or 3c cheaper than petrol in West Dublin...... Its pretty much across the board. Obviously its more competitive here than it is in Mayo!

miceal

MYOB wrote: »

Is there not still some garages down in the 113 range here? As theres been wholesale price cuts since the Revenue hike.

Niall Clarke in Ballymascanlon might have to haul back his 3-4c/litre hike over stations further south though!

Petrol here is notoriously more expensive then the rest of the region because it is the last stop on the way north!

They also own a petrol station in the north on the way out of Newry heading to Belfast so he has the best of both worlds!

GigaByte

ninty9er wrote: »

Yes:rolleyes: it would really be worth the whole country's while to drive however many miles to the border and fill up in the UK:rolleyes:

You're not the sharpest tool in the shed! :P

L1011

miceal wrote: »

Petrol here is notoriously more expensive then the rest of the region because it is the last stop on the way north!

They also own a petrol station in the north on the way out of Newry heading to Belfast so he has the best of both worlds!

It gives all the more pleasure to pay with a fuelcard and get a Dublin based average price there, has been 5c cheaper a litre once before. Full tank that only saves me 2 quid, but the smugness remains

Tragedy

Petrol stations between 9 and 10am this morning: No increases.

Petrol stations coming home at 4pm: All increased by 7-8c.

This was from town to south county dublin.

ninty9er

GigaByte wrote: »

You're not the sharpest tool in the shed! :P

How so??

Lets see.

60l tank @ €1.21/l
60l tank @ 99p/l

saving per litre-fuel used to get across the border/sit in a queue for 20 minutes negates any saving. You're not so sharp yourself if you can't see that:rolleyes:

The_Conductor

ninty9er wrote: »

How so??

Lets see.

60l tank @ €1.21/l
60l tank @ 99p/l

saving per litre-fuel used to get across the border/sit in a queue for 20 minutes negates any saving. You're not so sharp yourself if you can't see that:rolleyes:

Not- if the fuel purchase is on a list of incidental purchases.......
I save a couple of hundred a month on groceries and clothing by travelling North- if you add fuel into the equation, depending on where you buy, its a few more Euro on the savings list. Nothing startling, but it all adds up......

snaps

smccarrick wrote: »

Well- its not the case around here- Diesel is now about 2 or 3c cheaper than petrol in West Dublin...... Its pretty much across the board. Obviously its more competitive here than it is in Mayo!

This part of Mayo was always competitive with dublin, heaven knows why in the last few weeks there is such a difference now. And yes, Unleaded around town this morning is trading at 1.29/1.30 and diesel is 1.24/1.25. It takes me 2 hours to get across the border from home. Im not suggesting with my opening post that people drive across the border just for petrol, But i made a statement, that for the first time in many years fuel is the same price or cheaper in the UK than here in the republic.

I drive up to enniskillen once every 6-8 weeks for a big shop. I save a fortune, plus the fact bring booze back for people i work with.

2 bottles of spirits usually cover my petrol expenditure (With the difference in price between south and north)

I fill my freezer up at home, cupboards with food, pet food and my stair cupboard with beer:D

Only thing i buy here is milk, fruit and veg to keep me going for another 6 -8 weeks time when i nip up!!

I purchased a 42" TV mail order from richer sounds not long ago and saved 300e!!!

Thank god for the border!

Asda/Morrisons in Uk selling unleaded for 97.9p now in UK. Was on the breakfast news this morning. Price war is really hotting up there. Sterling at .80 now. It gets better and better.

GigaByte

ninty9er wrote: »

How so??

Lets see.

60l tank @ €1.21/l
60l tank @ 99p/l

saving per litre-fuel used to get across the border/sit in a queue for 20 minutes negates any saving. You're not so sharp yourself if you can't see that:rolleyes:

Still not very smart I see!

You where the one pointing out you about driving across the border. He pointed out that Northern drivers now won't be buying there petrol in the South because of the price increase.

He said the only substantial 'compensatory payment' the State was getting for the loss of revenue was from Northern motorists who cross the border for cheaper petrol.

Do you understand?

Ah I've just seen you're sig, no need to explain the lack of grey matter. :pac:

Gandalf23

GigaByte wrote: »

Ah I've just seen you're sig, no need to explain the lack of grey matter. :pac:

Have a look at my sig.

Grey matter indeed :D

AntiVirus

GigaByte wrote: »

Still not very smart I see!

You where the one pointing out you about driving across the border. He pointed out that Northern drivers now won't be buying there petrol in the South because of the price increase.



Do you understand?

Ah I've just seen you're sig, no need to explain the lack of grey matter. :pac:

Bingo!

GigaByte

Gandalf23 wrote: »

Have a look at my sig.

Grey matter indeed :D

ninty9er

GigaByte wrote: »

Still not very smart I see!

You where the one pointing out you about driving across the border. He pointed out that Northern drivers now won't be buying there petrol in the South because of the price increase.



Do you understand?

Ah I've just seen you're sig, no need to explain the lack of grey matter. :pac:

**Lightbulb**:D:D

MrPudding

ninty9er wrote: »

How so??

Lets see.

60l tank @ €1.21/l
60l tank @ 99p/l

saving per litre-fuel used to get across the border/sit in a queue for 20 minutes negates any saving. You're not so sharp yourself if you can't see that:rolleyes:

A few years ago, when I lived in the North, I used to travel about 50 miles to get petrol in Muff. We had a Clio with a 40 litre tank. If I just filled the car it was not much of a saving. However, when I filled the car and the 200 litres of jerry cans I carried it was well worth it. I knew a lot of people that were doing the same.

MrP

The_Conductor

MrPudding wrote: »

A few years ago, when I lived in the North, I used to travel about 50 miles to get petrol in Muff. We had a Clio with a 40 litre tank. If I just filled the car it was not much of a saving. However, when I filled the car and the 200 litres of jerry cans I carried it was well worth it. I knew a lot of people that were doing the same.

MrP

Feck- thats a lot of fuel.......
Count yourself lucky you were never involved in an accident......

Looking at fuel prices in West Dublin this morning- they all seem to have reaccessed their prices. Topaz in Lucan village is now 123.9 for both Petrol and Diesel, Esso at Palmerstown is 122.9 for both, Palmerstown service station (serviced by Apple) is 122.9 for petrol and 121.9 for diesel, and that place on the quays is 119.9 for both petrol and diesel.

It looks like they are cross subsidising the 8c increase p/l in petrol by increasing the price of diesel, and trying to apply a similar price to each........

derry

MrPudding wrote: »

A few years ago, when I lived in the North, I used to travel about 50 miles to get petrol in Muff. We had a Clio with a 40 litre tank. If I just filled the car it was not much of a saving. However, when I filled the car and the 200 litres of jerry cans I carried it was well worth it. I knew a lot of people that were doing the same.

MrP

Most car inurance is invaladated if the car carrys more than 1 gallon of extra petrol

200 liters or 40 gallons ??? words fail me


me I use E85 @ 1.00 euro in my non fuel flex 1998 suziki swift with no problems

Derry

mcwhirter

Ferris wrote: »

Singapore, Massive taxes. it pays for fully integrated public transport however.

Singapore cannot be compare to Ireland though. I have been there and it is like what Ireland would have hoped to be like if FF had spent the boom money correctly.

snaps

Same is happening here in MAyo. They put the 8c on a litre of unleaded on wednesday, Took it off again thursday and then put diesel up 2c yesterday. So at the moment unleaded is still 1 c cheaper than diesel, most confussed. As of today here:
Unleaded 121.9/l
Diesel 122.9/l

Whats going on?

DonJose

smccarrick wrote: »

It looks like they are cross subsidising the 8c increase p/l in petrol by increasing the price of diesel, and trying to apply a similar price to each........

Can that be legal, I am all for competitiveness but the garage owners are taking the mickey, I think the government should set a standard fuel charge across the board.

Bandara

DonJose wrote: »

Can that be legal, I am all for competitiveness but the garage owners are taking the mickey, I think the government should set a standard fuel charge across the board.

I have to say all this bull**** makes me laugh.

Why on earth should the government set any standard price for fuel?

There is no standard price for cigarettes, alcohol, books, clothes, cars, electricity, gas, etc etc etc

What makes fuel any different.

And even if they did 'set some price' how do you suggest it could be done?

How do you set a price that allows a service station to make money when you have a little old station in the back end of donegal with 3 staff and one pump and no loans, and then you have a twelve pump, 3 car wash, 2500 Sq foot brand new state of the art tecnology and health and saftey compliant site in Dublin city with 35 staff and a 6 million euro setup cost?

Petrol is a product like all other products, people need to stop bleating on about it and stop being like sheep running around in circles giving out and making up things about a subject they know nothing about.

I repeat here for the thousandth time GARAGE OWNERS MAKE AN IRRELEVANT AMOUNT OF MONEY ON FUEL. Its not even a consideration in the scheme of things. The overall margin on fuel is under 2%, there is no other industry in the world where the margins are so miniscule. Fuel is essentially a loss leader to get you in the door to buy some sweets sandwiches, minerals etc thats where the serious money is made. And a good garage does make serious money upwards of 150k+ a year, but not on fuel, NOT ON FUEL.

Fuel will be 114c a litre on both derv and unl within the next week, yet ballygowan water is selling at about 1.89 a litre, coca cola is 2.25 a litre, beer is about 6.00 a litre, wine is about 12 a litre, vodka is about 25 a litre and these are ALL made from water. Which is free.

People really need to look at the picture here and understand for once and for all that petrol station owners make sod all on fuel, its a horrible awkward product to have to deal with and sell, its running costs are huge, the financials behind dealing in it are very difficult, and I repeat yet again there is no profit in it.

So complain about being ripped off on the price of a mars bar, a bottle of water, a sandwich, a pint, clothing, electrical goods, pharmaceuticals, road tax, mobile phone tariffs, stamp duty, bank charges and the hundred other things we get hammered for daily.

But cop on and realise that abusing some 18 year old girl on a till on a saturday morning over the fact that you've bought petrol for 2 cents dearer than the station down the road, is a bloody stupid way to live your life.

Rant over.

You may all abuse me now. But I'd rather if you did it on the forum rather than the PM's I've been getting.

Thanks.


P.S. If it really upsets you that much then shop buying fuel from people who are 'too dear', instead of posting on an internet forum and shaking your head when you drive past a garage, yes their are profiteers out there, but if no one walks into their shops they will soon change their tune. But like all things Irish we just follow the herd.

Fighting Irish

I'm still paying €1.15

_Kaiser_

I got diesel @ 115.9 yesterday in Oldcastle, Meath. Petrol was 112.9

DarkJager

I'm going to name and shame here because I find it ridiculous:

Topaz (Dock Road Limerick)
Unleaded is now at €1.30 a litre!!

Can anyone tell me how that is reasonable? Its profiteering of the lowest order...

Bandara

DarkJager wrote: »

I'm going to name and shame here because I find it ridiculous:

Topaz (Dock Road Limerick)
Unleaded is now at €1.30 a litre!!

Can anyone tell me how that is reasonable? Its profiteering of the lowest order...

absolutely agreed jager.

but the people still buy it

Fighting Irish

DarkJager wrote: »

I'm going to name and shame here because I find it ridiculous:

Topaz (Dock Road Limerick)
Unleaded is now at €1.30 a litre!!

Can anyone tell me how that is reasonable? Its profiteering of the lowest order...

Something is seriously wrong with some irish people, a petrol station is a business, business's are there to make money, if i ran a business i'd put the prices at what people would pay not at a price where i'd make just enough profit to keep me going

If a staion is at €1.30 then obviously people are paying that.
Would you like your boss to say that he's giving you a pay cut because you're making more than you need to?


Pay the price and put up with it
Pay the price and moan
Shop around
Drive less

Wishbone Ash

Hammertime wrote: »

I have to say all this bull**** makes me laugh.

Why on earth should the government set any standard price for fuel?

There is no standard price for cigarettes, alcohol, books, clothes, cars, electricity, gas, etc etc etc

What makes fuel any different.

And even if they did 'set some price' how do you suggest it could be done?

How do you set a price that allows a service station to make money when you have a little old station in the back end of donegal with 3 staff and one pump and no loans, and then you have a twelve pump, 3 car wash, 2500 Sq foot brand new state of the art tecnology and health and saftey compliant site in Dublin city with 35 staff and a 6 million euro setup cost?

Petrol is a product like all other products, people need to stop bleating on about it and stop being like sheep running around in circles giving out and making up things about a subject they know nothing about.

I repeat here for the thousandth time GARAGE OWNERS MAKE AN IRRELEVANT AMOUNT OF MONEY ON FUEL. Its not even a consideration in the scheme of things. The overall margin on fuel is under 2%, there is no other industry in the world where the margins are so miniscule. Fuel is essentially a loss leader to get you in the door to buy some sweets sandwiches, minerals etc thats where the serious money is made. And a good garage does make serious money upwards of 150k+ a year, but not on fuel, NOT ON FUEL.

Fuel will be 114c a litre on both derv and unl within the next week, yet ballygowan water is selling at about 1.89 a litre, coca cola is 2.25 a litre, beer is about 6.00 a litre, wine is about 12 a litre, vodka is about 25 a litre and these are ALL made from water. Which is free.

People really need to look at the picture here and understand for once and for all that petrol station owners make sod all on fuel, its a horrible awkward product to have to deal with and sell, its running costs are huge, the financials behind dealing in it are very difficult, and I repeat yet again there is no profit in it.

So complain about being ripped off on the price of a mars bar, a bottle of water, a sandwich, a pint, clothing, electrical goods, pharmaceuticals, road tax, mobile phone tariffs, stamp duty, bank charges and the hundred other things we get hammered for daily.

But cop on and realise that abusing some 18 year old girl on a till on a saturday morning over the fact that you've bought petrol for 2 cents dearer than the station down the road, is a bloody stupid way to live your life.

Rant over.

You may all abuse me now. But I'd rather if you did it on the forum rather than the PM's I've been getting.

Thanks.


P.S. If it really upsets you that much then shop buying fuel from people who are 'too dear', instead of posting on an internet forum and shaking your head when you drive past a garage, yes their are profiteers out there, but if no one walks into their shops they will soon change their tune. But like all things Irish we just follow the herd.

Excellent post Hammertime.

I think one reason that people get worked up about the prices is that cartels appear to exist even though it's always strenuously denied by the fuel retailers. In my area, all the forecourts have the exact same prices, whether they are small family run enterprises or large multi-nationals so it's not that easy to shop around without driving a long way and therefore negating any possible saving.

In saying that, I am probably a 'useless' customer as I never buy anything other than the fuel!

The_Conductor

I don't abuse any poor staff members about the price of fuel- I nip down to the local taxi-rank and ask the friendly (or not so friendly) taxi drivers where they buy their fuel from.

No-one has any right to abuse staff about the price of fuel- its displayed prominently outside- you entered the premises in full knowledge of what you were going to be charged.

I'm beginning to wonder just how difficult it is to make your own biofuel...... I was discussing it with a Garda friend a while back and he said the reason more people don't do it is the vast amounts of glycerine produced as a by-product, among other reasons.........

Hmmm- a little research to do, I think........

L1011

DarkJager wrote: »

I'm going to name and shame here because I find it ridiculous:

Topaz (Dock Road Limerick)
Unleaded is now at €1.30 a litre!!

Can anyone tell me how that is reasonable? Its profiteering of the lowest order...

topaz's very own fuelcard will get that for you at 118.91c/litre

I actually wonder how the fuel card system works out for privateer stations that charge higher than the norm...