Fook me, it's getting worse.

funk-you

There's something seiously wrong here. A guy whips out a knife AND bites part of someones ear off and basically gets told to be a good boy for four years because if you don't you'll actually get punished. Complete bollocks!

http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhidkfsnsnmh/

A man who bit part of a security guard’s ear off after he was asked to leave a shop following a dispute with the store supervisor has been given a three and a half year suspended sentence at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court.

Stephen Ahearn (aged 27), of Stapolin Lawns, Baldoyle, picked up a knife from the deli counter in Centra on Wellington Quay, Dublin and threatened Kabir Mohammed with it. He then swung the weapon at him before he bit his ear.

He pleaded guilty to assault causing harm to Mr Mohammed and production of a knife during the course of a dispute on November 11, 2005.

Judge Frank O’Donnell heard that Mr Mohammed was taken to the Mater Hospital where it was found that a bit of his ear was missing. He has since returned home to Pakistan.

Judge Frank O’Donnell accepted that Ahearn had €5,000 in court to offer Mr Mohammed as compensation before he suspended the entire sentence on condition that he keep the peace and be of good behaviour for four years.

enda1

I wonder how many grammes he had to sell to raise the 5 g's?

MagicMarker

I am sure the person who he will kill now that he doesn't have to go to prison will thank the judge for this, oh wait, they can't, because they'll be dead.

Tigger

shows how bad the food in centra is

Vain

enda1 wrote: »

I wonder how many grammes he had to sell to raise the 5 g's?

Im sure he has plenty more i wouldn't get worried..:pac:

mike65

Well I hope Kabir Mohammed issues a fatwa on the little scanger.

Mike

arse..biscuits

That judge should be sacked

Cookie_Monster

arse..biscuits wrote: »

That judge should be sacked

And forced to share a cell with yer man for corruption/incompedence

senordingdong

Tigger wrote: »

shows how bad the food in centra is

Well we didn't find out if Ahearn ate it or just spat it out on the floor...

Dinter

A classic AH thread Funk!

Strange though that usually a thread like this would have about 800 replies by now but with the budget and welfare tourists posters are too busy worrying about losing €1000 a year. :P

OT prisons should all be demolished and prisoners fitted for heavy lead boots that will restrict them to shuffling around at about 2 metres an hour. Seriosly what crime could they commit when even if the victim was an arthritic OAP they could outrun the criminal? Oh and throw stuff at them in safety too.

Turd Ferguson

Dinter wrote: »

Seriosly what crime could they commit when even if the victim was an arthritic OAP they could outrun the criminal?

Necrophelia...

monkeyfudge

This happened in November 2005 as well... got to love how fast justice moves.

WindSock

I think it's fair enough. Mr Moh got his monies and mr knacker has to keep his nose clean for 4 years. If he is caught being a scumbag again then he gets locked up. Otherwise, why bother sending another one into the slammer that will end up costing us loads, for him to comeout a bigger scumbag and cost us more money again.

Kintarō Hattori

You're hardly surprised are you OP? We know the legal system is a joke.

Cookie_Monster

Ah well, sure thats what happens when you put pepole like this in charge

Hail 2 Da Chimp

WindSock wrote: »

Otherwise, why bother sending another one into the slammer

Because he tried to stab someone and then bit his ear off... He should be put in the slammer and Mohammad should have filed a civil suit and got the 5G's off him aswell... I'd much prefer to keep my ear than get 5 grand 3 years later.

MagicMarker

WindSock wrote: »

I think it's fair enough. Mr Moh got his monies and mr knacker has to keep his nose clean for 4 years. If he is caught being a scumbag again then he gets locked up. Otherwise, why bother sending another one into the slammer that will end up costing us loads, for him to comeout a bigger scumbag and cost us more money again.

Well the possibility of jail wasn't exactly a deterrent in the first place, so why would he care enough to not do it again?

The amount of people you hear about who are killed by people who should have been in prison long before hand is shocking.

funk-you

WindSock wrote: »

I think it's fair enough. Mr Moh got his monies and mr knacker has to keep his nose clean for 4 years. If he is caught being a scumbag again then he gets locked up. Otherwise, why bother sending another one into the slammer that will end up costing us loads, for him to comeout a bigger scumbag and cost us more money again.

It's not fair at all. He's already proved he violent and swung at the guy with a knife. The next time he is caught would you like to be on the receiving end of his actions?

-Funk

brianthebard

There's a recession what do you expect? Where do you think the govt will find the money to jail this guy, feed and keep him locked up and under guard? Are you going to pay for it op?

WindSock

MagicMarker wrote: »

Well the possibility of jail wasn't exactly a deterrent in the first place, so why would he care enough to not do it again?

The amount of people you hear about who are killed by people who should have been in prison long before hand is shocking.

What about the amount of people that have been killed or worse by others that have come out of jail for petty crimes? Thats also shocking.

funk-you wrote: »

It's not fair at all. He's already proved he violent and swung at the guy with a knife. The next time he is caught would you like to be on the receiving end of his actions?

-Funk

Well, no. There are plenty of violent people on the streets. Do we lock them all up?

MagicMarker

WindSock wrote: »

What about the amount of people that have been killed or worse by others that have come out of jail for petty crimes? Thats also shocking.

Your point being?

Gone Drinking

funk-you wrote: »

He has since returned home to Pakistan

'ear today, gone tomorrow!

DeVore

This could be spun either way... from reading the piece he took a knife from the counter in Centra... does that mean it was one of those plastic knives? The hospital said they discovered that a part of his ear was missing, that doesnt sound like he bit half the guy's ear off, it could be a small nick.
I'm not condoning light sentencing, I'm just saying that something like this can be made to sound extreme, because "extreme" sells while "accurate and fair", doesnt.

Just a thought....

DeV.

WindSock

MagicMarker wrote: »

Your point being?

Point being that if you send a man to jail for perhaps no previous criminal record for doing something scumbaggish like swiping at a shoppy and assaulting him, the social and economic implications would be far worse if he is locked up rather than punished with his pocket.

Dragan

WindSock wrote: »

Point being that if you send a man to jail for perhaps no previous criminal record for doing something scumbaggish like swiping at a shoppy and assaulting him, the social and economic implications would be far worse if he is locked up rather than punished with his pocket.

So chance the jailing system. Cut back on the softness and the niceness and make it a brutal place for these people to be.

Works a treat in Texas.

Maximilian

If he got off light, then there were mitigating circumstances not mentioned in that article. Circumstances not mentioned because then it wouldn't be outrageous enough, well apart from €5k for what was probably a nick on his ear but really, that doesn't count because he must have been a drug dealer.

Anyway, don't let such considerations get in the way of another facepalm AH thread.

The judge is a good one by the way, not that anyone cares or believes me.

WindSock

Dragan wrote: »

So chance the jailing system. Cut back on the softness and the niceness and make it a brutal place for these people to be.

Works a treat in Texas.

How does it work if US prisons are overcrowded? And mostly with repeat offenders?

Dragan

WindSock wrote: »

How does it work if US prisons are overcrowded? And mostly with repeat offenders?

Because Texas have only recently adopted the idea of a "**** hole" prison and nobody wants to end up there. You live in tents, you wear pink, you work all day.

Strangely enough good behaviour in other prisons is on the up and up for fear of transfer.

Interesting no?

Don't get me wrong, i don't see the point in going old school with it, but i fail to see the point in allowing prisoners, who have commited crimes, to often times more comfortable living conditions than they would have had outside.

Tis madness.

Most assuredly not Sparta.

WindSock

Dragan wrote: »

Because Texas have only recently adopted the idea of a "**** hole" prison and nobody wants to end up there. You live in tents, you wear pink, you work all day.

Strangely enough good behaviour in other prisons is on the up and up for fear of transfer.

Interesting no?

Yes, but the people who don't want to go there are already in prisons anyway. It doesn't deter mr joe street scumbag from commiting crimes. Prisons are still overcrowded though...

Don't get me wrong, i don't see the point in going old school with it, but i fail to see the point in allowing prisoners, who have commited crimes, to often times more comfortable living conditions than they would have had outside.

Tis madness.

Most assuredly not Sparta.

What sort of person wants to go to prison, no matter how comfortable it may seem?

funk-you

brianthebard wrote: »

There's a recession what do you expect? Where do you think the govt will find the money to jail this guy, feed and keep him locked up and under guard? Are you going to pay for it op?

Already do to the tune of 2400 PAYE a month not to mention other taxes. Which i have no problem paying if it means they are going towards a safer, stable society.

WindSock wrote: »

Well, no. There are plenty of violent people on the streets. Do we lock them all up?

If they commit a violent crime yes. Whats the point in having a prison system if violent or dangerous people aren't going to be sent there? If it was just a scuffle i could understand a suspended sentence but he went for a knife, tried to use it and then bit someone. I know 'rehabilitation' in prison doesn't exactly work but what kind of message does this sentence send?

-Funk

WindSock

funk-you wrote: »

. I know 'rehabilitation' in prison doesn't exactly work but what kind of message does this sentence send?

-Funk

What I mean is, there will never be enough room or money in Ireland to lock away people who have acted violently.

Wile E. Coyote

Your suprised? :eek:

What sort of a sentence would you expect someone with 11 previous convictions who hits a garda with a glass bottle to get leaving him needing stiches to get???

Answer: 240 hours community service.

A BRAY resident who hit a garda on the head with a glass bottle while another garda arrested his sister has avoided jail on he condition that he complete 240 hours of community service.

Raymond Martin (24) of Killarney Road, Bray pleaded guilty at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court to assault causing harm to Garda Thomas Devereux and to being drunk in a public place on April 13, 2007.
Martin has 11 previous convictions, including a number of road traffic convictions. He has two children.

Judge Ruairi MacCabe handed down a one-year sentence, suspended as long has he does the required amount of community service.

Galvasean

WindSock wrote: »

What I mean is, there will never be enough room or money in Ireland to lock away people who have acted violently.

You raise a valid argument..

KILL 'EM ALL AND LET GOD SORT 'EM OUT!!!!

Blackpitts

Dinter wrote: »

A classic AH thread Funk!

Strange though that usually a thread like this would have about 800 replies by now but with the budget and welfare tourists posters are too busy worrying about losing €1000 a year. :P

nah...if the scumbag's name was Stephan Ahearnsky from Poland, you would have read 800 replies with loads of abuse about how foreigners are ruining this country stealing our money and doing nothing to find a proper job...:rolleyes:

funk-you

WindSock wrote: »

What I mean is, there will never be enough room or money in Ireland to lock away people who have acted violently.

I understand that and take your point but what i'm pissed at is that the guy went for a knife and bit the security guard. Judges should be sending the message that if you go for a knife you go down. Not get a slap on the wrist.

-Funk

Big Knox

Justiiiiiice,

For the way we live today....

arse..biscuits

WindSock wrote: »

There are plenty of violent people on the streets. Do we lock them all up?

Eh yes