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In Ear Monitors

  • 14-10-2008 11:57pm
    #1
    Stephen!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭


    Hey guys,

    Dunno if this is the right section! Apologies if it's not!

    Myself and my drummer were considering buying some wireless In Ear Monitors for playing live, as after so many gigs, the ears are dead on us, and though I've bought custom ear protection i really don't like using these as they cut out everything except the very low end! I was just wondering if you can generally control the level going into the ear monitors, just incase the soundguy happens to accidently blow the ears of us!

    Also, my drummer plays live to a click track, so is there anyway to like, put a click track into just his ears, or how would he go about using the click track?

    Many thanks lads!


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  • #2
    PaulBrewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    While it's not an area of my expertise I've spoken to a few friends before who are pros about this.

    The big thing on in ears is a Brick Wall Limiter to save your lugs not from just feedback but things like mics getting hit or dropped.

    The other things the guys say is in order for the musicians to feel like they're
    'involved' in the gig the monitor engineers have some mics that are just added to the in ears for ambience, so you hear a bit of clapping etc. and not feel disconnected from the gig.

    The other thing is you really need a complete mix as opposed to 'a bit of vocal' as you might get away with floor wedges.

    It can be as dangerous (or perhaps more so) than monitors as with In Ears you can't just stand back away from them.

    So while it can be done it's not for the faint hearted.


  • #3
    nicknackgtb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭nicknackgtb


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    While it's not an area of my expertise I've spoken to a few friends before who are pros about this.

    The big thing on in ears is a Brick Wall Limiter to save your lugs not from just feedback but things like mics getting hit or dropped.

    The other things the guys say is in order for the musicians to feel like they're
    'involved' in the gig the monitor engineers have some mics that are just added to the in ears for ambience, so you hear a bit of clapping etc. and not feel disconnected from the gig.

    The other thing is you really need a complete mix as opposed to 'a bit of vocal' as you might get away with floor wedges.

    It can be as dangerous (or perhaps more so) than monitors as with In Ears you can't just stand back away from them.

    So while it can be done it's not for the faint hearted.


    Some Great points there, never thought bout that myself.


  • #4
    PaulBrewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    nicknackgtb wrote: »
    Some Great points there, never thought bout that myself.

    Cheers, though not all mine!


  • #5
    i57dwun4yb1pt8
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    frank cass sells a set that has a blow out fuze and go dead if a transient goes over a certain peak - never reaches your ears - but they cost about 1500 quid .

    i use er-4s and er-4p with an external headphone amp, so i can set the volume - but you really need a limiter cos a fast loud tranisent will give you instant and permanent ear ringing .

    my hearing is gone forever above 11k - and i have car alrams in each ear with hiss forever - so get a system sooner rather than later - i learned the hard way .


  • #6
    Savman
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    I'm a regular IEM user, it's defo a love hate thing. All the points Paul made are fairly valid, the end product is fantastic when you get it right and you'll never come back but there is a feeling of being inside a fishbowl which takes some getting used to.

    The Sennheiser Evolution are superb value for money, around 700 yoyos for everything you need. It's defo a full mix you'll be wanting and not just vocals, ironically enough when your in IEM land it's the drums that you can't hear anymore so I always send some kick n snare (occasionally toms) into IEMs so the band can stay in time. And sure if you're going that route, you end up giving a little bit of everything.


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  • #7
    unclebill98
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    As for the isolation feeling. I find that unless the venue is of a very large size your not going to suffer to much from this.

    Apart from that all above points are very good.


  • #8
    Stephen!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭Stephen!


    Cheers for the advice guys! There's a few points made here that I'd never have considered before hand!
    Hmm... It's a confusing one, i'd like to try them out before i bought a pair, but i doubt thats possible. It's alot of money to spend at once and then not like the result!

    Also, instead of clogging up the forums with lots of threads... If i wanted to have distorted vocals live, is it likely for the venue to have something to distort it on the outboard gear? I'm talking about decent enough places like The Village, Roisin Dubh, The Pavillion on Cork etc. or is it possible to plug a DS-1 or something in between the mic and desk?


  • #9
    PaulBrewer
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    Stephen! wrote: »
    Cheers for the advice guys! There's a few points made here that I'd never have considered before hand!
    Hmm... It's a confusing one, i'd like to try them out before i bought a pair, but i doubt thats possible. It's alot of money to spend at once and then not like the result!

    Also, instead of clogging up the forums with lots of threads... If i wanted to have distorted vocals live, is it likely for the venue to have something to distort it on the outboard gear? I'm talking about decent enough places like The Village, Roisin Dubh, The Pavillion on Cork etc. or is it possible to plug a DS-1 or something in between the mic and desk?

    It would normally be a thing you'd supply.

    The problem in switching from a clean to distorted on one mic would be the likelihood of feedback through the monitors.

    Probably the simplest plan is to set up another mic for distortion so it would be Mic , XLR to Jack, pedal, jack to jack to DI for front of house/monitors.


  • #10
    Stephen!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭Stephen!


    Cheers man! I do backing vocals, and some of the BV's we do in the studio are distorted so would be class to do it live too!
    Although all these things like setting up an extra mic and using in ears sounds messy and stuff, and would probably be annoying for the sound guy!:(


  • #11
    PaulBrewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    Stephen! wrote: »
    Cheers man! I do backing vocals, and some of the BV's we do in the studio are distorted so would be class to do it live too!
    Although all these things like setting up an extra mic and using in ears sounds messy and stuff, and would probably be annoying for the sound guy!:(

    It's just another channel, nothing complex. Once it's separate it's easy to control.


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