Non Nationals, Refugee's and the Budget.

stevoman

So we are all being told to be prepared to tighten our belts, suck it up and get ready for financial turmoil. Our fags are going up, drink is going up and all of us who get up off out arses everyday to work are being told that our tax's are going up. Even if we go on bloody holiday to get away from it all we are going to be bent over and taxed on that too!!

My question is though, as i passed by a social welafre office the other day and seen non nationals and refugee's ( and a far less amount of Irish people there) standing outside it queing, is the goverment going to have the balls to tell some of these people, "sorry we have no money to give you, maybe you will have to back to your own countires as we cant afford to pay you social welfare payments anymore"?

ps - this is a real discussion as the goverment has distanced itself away from the immegration arguement and its not a racist troll thread!

Dudess

Refreshing to see your last sentence rather than the usual "oh and the bleeding heart, PC liberals can **** off" etc...

Non EU folks who won't work and who don't need to be here shouldn't be. The problem is how to ascertain who needs to be here and who doesn't. How can it be figured out whether a person is merely here to sponge or came here to work but just cannot find a job?

Overheal

I love you, too.

The Master

I thought the thread title ment we were all getting a free refugee in the budget:(

Fiend-Foe

The night of the long knifes is coming...

/scurries off to prepare firebombs

AARRRGH

Rather than admit our system is broken, we will just raise taxes.

Great!

stevoman

Dudess wrote: »

Non EU folks who won't work and who don't need to be here shouldn't be. The problem is how to ascertain who needs to be here and who doesn't. How can it be figured out whether a person is merely here to sponge or came here to work but just cannot find a job?

I think the lenght of somwhon being in the country and how much they have taken from social welfare and if they have worked, how much they have contibuted to the country should be the major factor.

ArseBurger

stevoman wrote: »

I think the lenght of somwhon being in the country and how much they have taken from social welfare and if they have worked, how much they have contibuted to the country should be the major factor.

Exactly. There are slackers on the dole that have never contributed with PRSI and PAYE.

Let's kick a few lazy Irish out.

javaboy

ArseBurger wrote: »

Let's kick a few lazy Irish out.

Where though? The Blaskets?

Turd Ferguson

The Master wrote: »

I thought the thread title ment we were all getting a free refugee in the budget:(

You mean you dont have one? You should, they're great. I have Mewengwe, he is from Addis Abbiba. He makes the most awesome cheesburgers in the World.

Degsy

The dole should be available for a maximum of six months then cut off.This applies to irish people especially as some of them have been ****ing the system far longer than any foreigner.

Karoma

javaboy wrote: »

Where though? The Blaskets?

As we did before: England.

Fiend-Foe

Anybody fit to work who is on the dole long term should be made to work, I dunno cleaning streets.

And carrying things for people with jobs.

I had to carry loads of big heavy bags of shopping all the way home after a long days work yesterday, if there was somebody sitting around all day they should be made to help. I paid for them.

Dyr

I could do with an SES scheme refugee for some light chores around the gaff, would that be a possibility?

ArseBurger

javaboy wrote: »

Where though? The Blaskets?

Northern Ireland.

AARRRGH

Degsy wrote: »

The dole should be available for a maximum of six months then cut off.This applies to irish people especially as some of them have been ****ing the system far longer than any foreigner.

Or like in Australia where you have to work for the dole.

themadchef

Fiend-Foe wrote: »

Anybody fit to work who is on the dole long term should be made to work, I dunno cleaning streets.

And carrying things for people with jobs.

I had to carry loads of big heavy bags of shopping all the way home after a long days work yesterday, if there was somebody sitting around all day they should be made to help. I paid for them.

:D:D Could you just imagine it!

Gyalist

stevoman wrote: »

So we are all being told to be prepared to tighten our belts, suck it up and get ready for financial turmoil. Our fags are going up, drink is going up and all of us who get up off out arses everyday to work are being told that our tax's are going up. Even if we go on bloody holiday to get away from it all we are going to be bent over and taxed on that too!!

My question is though, as i passed by a social welafre office the other day and seen non nationals and refugee's ( and a far less amount of Irish people there) standing outside it queing, is the goverment going to have the balls to tell some of these people, "sorry we have no money to give you, maybe you will have to back to your own countires as we cant afford to pay you social welfare payments anymore"?

ps - this is a real discussion as the goverment has distanced itself away from the immegration arguement and its not a racist troll thread!

How do you identify a refugee/non-national from everyone else? I'd like to know how you do it.

ArseBurger

Gyalist wrote: »

How do you identify a refugee/non-national from everyone else? I'd like to know how you do it.

Make them wear a star of David.

robtri

Gyalist wrote: »

How do you identify a refugee/non-national from everyone else? I'd like to know how you do it.

their passport isn't irish....

Fratton Fred

Gyalist wrote: »

How do you identify a refugee/non-national from everyone else? I'd like to know how you do it.

they sell bunches of heather

Slow Motion

Gyalist wrote: »

How do you identify a refugee/non-national from everyone else? I'd like to know how you do it.

The same way I can spot another Irishman when I am abroad. I don't know how I can tell but I am usually right. Same here I can usually tell if someone is not from Ireland without having to speak to them, most people can, but I suspect that's not where you were going with your post!

Gyalist

robtri wrote: »

their passport isn't irish....

You can tell this just by walking past someone at the Social Welfare office?

Degsy

I predict with my awesome psychic powers that people who choose to work for a living will be shafted in this budget and people on the dole will get more money.
A great message to be sending out.

Fratton Fred

Slow Motion wrote: »

The same way I can spot another Irishman when I am abroad. I don't know how I can tell but I am usually right. Same here I can usually tell if someone is not from Ireland without having to speak to them, most people can, but I suspect that's not where you were going with your post!

Non nationals wear leprechaun hats, dublin/cork/Kerry etc GAA shirts and have pasty white legs that look like they have never seen the sun?

Dinter

Social welfare is the only department not getting hammered apparently.

The dole is going to get tied to inflation which is something that they couldn't do with the National Wage Agreement. Anyone who bothers working is going to get ass raped to pay for a budget that the minister for finance has promised will deliver nothing!

Seriously why are people clamouring for bank officials to be prosecuted for mismanagement off their funds when it's blatantly obvious that politicians have fuked up far worse and with absolutely no consequences!

stovelid

Slow Motion wrote: »

The same way I can spot another Irishman when I am abroad. I don't know how I can tell but I am usually right.

But most refugees here don't have flame-red faces, big guts and GAA tops?

edit ::::: fcuk you fred

Mena

stevoman wrote: »

So we are all being told to be prepared to tighten our belts, suck it up and get ready for financial turmoil. Our fags are going up, drink is going up and all of us who get up off out arses everyday to work are being told that our tax's are going up. Even if we go on bloody holiday to get away from it all we are going to be bent over and taxed on that too!!

My question is though, as i passed by a social welafre office the other day and seen non nationals and refugee's ( and a far less amount of Irish people there) standing outside it queing, is the goverment going to have the balls to tell some of these people, "sorry we have no money to give you, maybe you will have to back to your own countires as we cant afford to pay you social welfare payments anymore"?

ps - this is a real discussion as the goverment has distanced itself away from the immegration arguement and its not a racist troll thread!

So to hell with the almost 400 000 Euro I've paid in taxes since I've been here?

deisedevil

Gyalist wrote: »

How do you identify a refugee/non-national from everyone else? I'd like to know how you do it.

Oh ffs! Have a bit of cop on. Skin colour and the fact they might speak in a foreign accent or a foreign language. It's not that bloody difficult to spot non nationals.
If you walk past a building and the majority in there are of different skin colour to Irish then it's highly likely that the most of them are not Irish, isn't it?

AARRRGH

Slow Motion wrote: »

The same way I can spot another Irishman when I am abroad. I don't know how I can tell but I am usually right. Same here I can usually tell if someone is not from Ireland without having to speak to them, most people can, but I suspect that's not where you were going with your post!

Yep, it's pretty easy to tell an Irish person from a non-Irish person.

ArseBurger

Mena wrote: »

So to hell with the almost 400 000 Euro I've paid in taxes since I've been here?

If you've paid your taxes and contributed to society, in my view - you've more right to be here than a lot of people who's only claim to contribution to Irish society is that their mother managed to catch pregnant.

Claire121

The same way I can spot another Irishman when I am abroad. I don't know how I can tell but I am usually right. Same here I can usually tell if someone is not from Ireland without having to speak to them, most people can, but I suspect that's not where you were going with your post!

Sorry, this attitude IS racist. You're basically saying anyone who doesn't have pasty skin and freckles isn't Irish and shouldn't be claiming. 99% of people who see me before they hear me speak think I'm foreign. I'm a small small part Italian which shows in my appearance, but I'm Irish and my family has been here for centuries. I'm sick of people acting like my parents are immigrants or like I don't belong. I have friends who are of Indian, Chinese and African backgrounds who were born here, brought up here and sound as Irish as anyone else. Wake up to the 21st century. This stupid attitude of making assumptions about peoples' nationality based on their appearance has no place in this day and age.

Wile E. Coyote

AARRRGH wrote: »

Or like in Australia where you have to work for the dole.

I think this is a great idea. Make them work for the money that they get. Doesn't matter whether it's cleaning the streets or mowing public areas in the community. They should be made to contribute to the community for their money like everynoe else. And that goes for everyone on the dole be it Irish or non national.

Dyr

Mena wrote: »

So to hell with the almost 400 000 Euro I've paid in taxes since I've been here?

yep, think of it as rent :pac:

Turd Ferguson

Gyalist wrote: »

How do you identify a refugee/non-national from everyone else? I'd like to know how you do it.

They'll be the ones stealing your children...

deisedevil

Claire121 wrote: »

Sorry, this attitude IS racist. You're basically saying anyone who doesn't have pasty skin and freckles isn't Irish and shouldn't be claiming. 99% of people who see me before they hear me speak think I'm foreign. I'm a small small part Italian which shows in my appearance, but I'm Irish and my family has been here for centuries. I'm sick of people acting like my parents are immigrants or like I don't belong. I have friends who are of Indian, Chinese and African backgrounds who were born here, brought up here and sound as Irish as anyone else. Wake up to the 21st century. This stupid attitude of making assumptions about peoples' nationality based on their appearance has no place in this day and age.

That's why he said he is usually right, the usually would tend to indicate that he could sometimes be wrong, due to a minority of Irish having different skin colour etc.

Slow Motion

Claire121 wrote: »

Sorry, this attitude IS racist. You're basically saying anyone who doesn't have pasty skin and freckles isn't Irish and shouldn't be claiming. 99% of people who see me before they hear me speak think I'm foreign. I'm a small small part Italian which shows in my appearance, but I'm Irish and my family has been here for centuries. I'm sick of people acting like my parents are immigrants or like I don't belong. I have friends who are of Indian, Chinese and African backgrounds who were born here, brought up here and sound as Irish as anyone else. Wake up to the 21st century. This stupid attitude of making assumptions about peoples' nationality based on their appearance has no place in this day and age.

Your quite right it IS racist, I have the ability to tell one race from another! So there, I have agreed with you, what are you going to do with your impotant moral outrage now?

shenanigans1982

AARRRGH wrote: »

Or like in Australia where you have to work for the dole.

I agree with this, there are enough areas throughout the city that are covered in grafitti or green areas that could do with a bit of maintenance. This could easily be handled by people claiming the dole. They don't show up for the work they don't get paid. It would probably help weed out some of the waster's who are permenantly unemployed and maybe get rid of some of the stigma attached to social welfare.

Degsy

Claire121 wrote: »

Sorry, this attitude IS racist. You're basically saying anyone who doesn't have pasty skin and freckles isn't Irish and shouldn't be claiming. 99% of people who see me before they hear me speak think I'm foreign. I'm a small small part Italian which shows in my appearance, but I'm Irish and my family has been here for centuries. I'm sick of people acting like my parents are immigrants or like I don't belong. I have friends who are of Indian, Chinese and African backgrounds who were born here, brought up here and sound as Irish as anyone else. Wake up to the 21st century. This stupid attitude of making assumptions about peoples' nationality based on their appearance has no place in this day and age.

Welcome to human nature..people making assumptions!

CiaranC

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

I think this is a great idea. Make them work for the money that they get. Doesn't matter whether it's cleaning the streets or mowing public areas in the community. They should be made to contribute to the community for their money like everynoe else. And that goes for everyone on the dole be it Irish or non national.

Bit hard to look for a job if youre working for the dole isnt it? Ive just got off the dole after 5 weeks of gruelling job hunting, id still be there if I had to work every day.

Dyr

Claire121 wrote: »

99% of people who see me before they hear me speak think I'm foreign. I'm a small small part Italian which shows in my appearance, but I'm Irish and my family has been here for centuries.

only centuries? blow-ins!

AARRRGH

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

I agree with this, there are enough areas throughout the city that are covered in grafitti or green areas that could do with a bit of maintenance. This could easily be handled by people claiming the dole. They don't show up for the work they don't get paid. It would probably help weed out some of the waster's who are permenantly unemployed and maybe get rid of some of the stigma attached to social welfare.

That's exactly what happened in Australia - don't show up you don't get paid. Guess what happened? People went and got "real" jobs.

Caliden

There was some crazy statistic I saw a few weeks ago.
~17% of the people on social welfare are non-nationals. Now thats scary seeing as they dont even account for ~17% of the population last time i checked

Caoimhín

Mena wrote: »

So to hell with the almost 400 000 Euro I've paid in taxes since I've been here?

400k?

Time to find yourself a good accountant.

And,

If your that rich, are you seeing anyone?..

Claire121

Hah, you're totally missing the point. First of all, you might want to look up the difference between race and nationality. This is also racist - there are black Irish citizens and white illegals here. Assuming someone is foreign/illegal because of their appearance is racist! Only in Ireland is this acceptable. I have a Chinese-American friend studying over here and she's appalled by comments like 'you speak English so well'. It's downright embarrassing in this day and age.

Secondly, you cannot tell where someone is from just from looking at them. In my case, you'd be wrong, so how many other people have you looked at and thought they were foreign when they're actually from Coolock? You can't possibly know!

Wile E. Coyote

CiaranC wrote: »

Bit hard to look for a job if youre working for the dole isnt it? Ive just got off the dole after 5 weeks of gruelling job hunting, id still be there if I had to work every day.

Bit hard to get a job as well when most of them sit on their ass all day doing nothing and have no intention of getting a job. Did you spend 8/9 hours of every day looking for a job for those 5 weeks or did you do up your c.v and send it to a few places, wait till you saw more suitable jobs and send out another batch of c.v's?

There's nothing to say you can't work and job hunt at the same time. Most of us have to do it at some stage.

Dyr

Claire121 wrote: »

I have a Chinese-American friend studying over here and she's appalled by comments like 'you speak English so well'. It's downright embarrassing in this day and age.

Well so many americans speak such poor english that its probably a bit of a suprise

deisedevil

CiaranC wrote: »

Bit hard to look for a job if youre working for the dole isnt it? Ive just got off the dole after 5 weeks of gruelling job hunting, id still be there if I had to work every day.

But what about people who are 6 months or more on dole and no job with them. I know plenty of people (friends included) who have no interest whatsoever in getting a job, they should be made to do something.
If you can't get yourself a job after 2 months then you should be told what you will be working at and earn the money, get rid of this idea that there's free money in Ireland.

SEPT 23 1989

we should really look after our own first

Slow Motion

Claire121 wrote: »

Hah, you're totally missing the point. First of all, you might want to look up the difference between race and nationality. This is also racist - there are black Irish citizens and white illegals here. Assuming someone is foreign/illegal because of their appearance is racist! Only in Ireland is this acceptable. I have a Chinese-American friend studying over here and she's appalled by comments like 'you speak English so well'. It's downright embarrassing in this day and age.

Secondly, you cannot tell where someone is from just from looking at them. In my case, you'd be wrong, so how many other people have you looked at and thought they were foreign when they're actually from Coolock? You can't possibly know!

Actually no I'm not, what I was doing was taking the piss out of you and your ridiculus attitude, you may not be a racist but you certainly sound like a fanatic which is far worse in my book! Oh look I have gone and made an assumption about you from your post! Why don't you come back and tell me I'm wrong and that you can't tell if someone is a fanatic from one post.

Boskowski

Claire121 wrote: »

I have a Chinese-American friend studying over here and she's appalled by comments like 'you speak English so well'.

She shouldn't be. She should say 'So do you, almost like a native!'

regards

C