Dunne's future and the super bantham division

c1979

Does anybody know who Dunne is fighting next, can't believe he won't fight Kiko ago its a no brainer all he has to do is run for 5 rounds and its his.

Munroe is fighting some absoulute muppet form italy don't know how the EBU let him away with it at least dunne only fought one muppet when he was ebu champ.

my suggestions for Dunne's next opponent
Sergio Manuel Medina ARG rank 39 by boxrec won 33 (KO 18) + lost 1 (KO 0)

*Simone Maludrottu won ranked by boxrec 28 (KO 11) + lost 2 (KO 0) + drawn
my personal fav. would get him back in EBU ranking also I thought this guy was brutal against damian kelly in their first fight

Toshiaki Nishioka won No.1 in Japan WBC interim champ 32 (KO 19) + lost 4 (KO 1)

dlofnep

He's fighting on the 15th of November. No opponent named yet.

marco_polo

I presume it is in Dublin somewhere?

dlofnep

Castlebar

buck65

Another no name opponent with a few half decent prelim fights before hand -€80 and everything is Hunkydory.

c1979

stop bitching what about my suggestions

joepenguin

Just browsing through the oppoents of the fighters c1979 posted. How does a guy get a wba world title fight being 3-0? http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=6077&cat=boxer


Good opponents on paper definitely. Havent seen any of them. That Zarate guy looks to be a good tough realistic opponent. there was talk of him being the opponent. Time for a name me thinks!!!

Big Ears

joepenguin wrote: »

Just browsing through the oppoents of the fighters c1979 posted. How does a guy get a wba world title fight being 3-0? http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=6077&cat=boxer


Good opponents on paper definitely. Havent seen any of them. That Zarate guy looks to be a good tough realistic opponent. there was talk of him being the opponent. Time for a name me thinks!!!

Sahaprom was a World class kickboxer and was one of those guys who was able to come from that and apply his skills to boxing at a high level. His 3 wins were of enough standard to get ranked(Pohan was probably in the WBA top 15), I've seen fighters beat a far worse calibre of opponents than those 3 to get ranked.

Sergio Medina would be my favourite opponent for Dunne, but he wouldn't take the fight on 4 weeks notice. If he keeps what he's at he'll either get another World eliminator or else a World title shot so there's no need for him to go to Ireland on short notice to face a very dangerous opponent.

joepenguin

Thats the thing. Who is going to take the fight at short notice. There must be serious talks with one or two guys at this late stage. Any more word on that Zarate guy?

Big Ears

joepenguin wrote: »

Thats the thing. Who is going to take the fight at short notice. There must be serious talks with one or two guys at this late stage. Any more word on that Zarate guy?

The only word on Zarate is it's probably not him unfortunately. The good news is that because Super-Bantamweights get paid less than the bigger men and that most fighters in the Super-Bantamweight division come from central and South America(mostly poor countries) that it's easier to get a higher calibre of opponent on short notice due to the type of money Brian Peters can offer for a Dunne opponent.

But 4 weeks is pushing it, hopefully someone of a reasonable standard is found.

dlofnep

Big Ears wrote: »

Sahaprom was a World class kickboxer and was one of those guys who was able to come from that and apply his skills to boxing at a high level. His 3 wins were of enough standard to get ranked(Pohan was probably in the WBA top 15), I've seen fighters beat a far worse calibre of opponents than those 3 to get ranked.

Thaiboxer Don't let the thai lads hear you say kickboxer!

Big Ears

dlofnep wrote: »

Thaiboxer Don't let the thai lads hear you say kickboxer!

I'm surprisingly glad to hear that, always had a soft spot for Muay Thai where as kickboxing never grabbed my attention.

Former kickboxers involved in boxing now include Vitali Klitschko, Alexander Povetkin, Sam Soliman and Pele Reid. Former Muay Thai fighters, well you probably have an endless list and unsurprisingly the majority are from Thailand.

alanceltic

theres easier pickings at featherweight for dunne me thinks

walshb

alanceltic wrote: »

theres easier pickings at featherweight for dunne me thinks

alan, me thinks you're deluded for thinking such thoughts!:D

alanceltic

No not deluded just stating a very obvious fact that super bantam is still a red hot division with NO soft touches in there (i taught Ponce was until he was beaten). A very simple test would be to pit the champions in each division and predict a winner and you will see what I am talking about, we are seeing Duddy take a similar stance for similar reasons

walshb

Yes, Dunne getting clocked clean V Kiko and struggling against guys like Walstad and Machado and Voronin. I can see that the 126 lb division would be that bit easier:rolleyes:

joepenguin

Rendall Munroe defends his European title against Fabrizio "popeye" Trotta in the Helix, DCU December 18th.

I suspect a build up for Dunne-Munroe or for the WBA "regular" world title as that will no doubt spring up after Molitor and Caballero are done throwing fists.

http://www.boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=562214 Molitor-Cabellero
http://www.boxrec.com/date_search.php?yyyy=2008&mm=12&dd=18 Munroe-Trotta.

Craig Watson has just been added to the bill

alanceltic

good spot joe, this is a LAUGH!!!!! they refused to fight Dunne in Dublin which I can kinda understand if Munroe didnt want to travel-he is champion after all, Im guessing that munroe was offered the Dunne fight at multiples of what he will earn for this fight as last time he fought it was in front of a couple hundred people and now hes coming to DUBLIN to box against a bum for crap money wtf..... this is after refusing to travel to Dublin, Maloney is full of s_hite and i know he posts on another boxing forum so it will be interesting to hear what excuses he comes out with

joepenguin

Dunnes next opponent: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=4249&cat=boxer

Eduardo Garcia. 18(7) - 5(1) rated 8th in mexico and 31st in the world by boxrec. Has fought for titles at superfly, bantam and super bantam where he last fought. Kind of goes to and from divisions and has fought for a few titles etc.

Thought he would have been worse when i seen 18-5. A good test to see if he's better than the average mexican?

Big Ears

Surprisingly good opponent on short notice. Oliver Lontchi was pencilled in to take on Steve Molitor until Garcia screwed things up by fighting Lontchi to a draw in a fight where the Mexican was very unlucky not to win.

Garcia is ranked #15 by the IBF at Super-Bantamweight and #7 by the WBC at Bantamweight.

Dunne is ranked #12 by the WBO, #13 WBA, #24 WBC and unranked by the IBF.

While this isn't the big name opponent(eg Julio Zarate) that was originally talked about, it is progression and will actually move Dunne towards a World title fight. He may turn out to be the best opponent Dunne has fought aswell, if not one of the best.

I think this puts a different perception on the Munroe-Dunne negotiations now. Munroe is fighting Fabrizio Trotta in Ireland(when Maloney had asked why Munroe should go to Ireland for a Dunne fight), and Dunne is fighting a much, much better opponent.

After this fight(presuming Dunne wins) I'd like to see a step up to someone of Zarate's level though, unless a match with Munroe or Martinez can be secured.

joepenguin

This is a real telling fight for Dunne.
Many have said that the average mexican would wipe the floor with him. On the 15th we will find out. Garcia is ranked 8th in Mexico which is a big deal considering who's ahead of him, Vasquez, Marquez, Ponce De Leon and co.

Garcia doesnt get KO'd much so if Dunne can stop him we know he has power.
If he beats him convincingly on points we know that technically he is ready for the worlds best.
If he gets hurt bad or loses then its bye bye world title aspirations and he will do well to get a euro title shot in the next year and a half.

Dangerous opponent imo, as dangerous as could be expected.

walshb

joepenguin wrote: »

This is a real telling fight for Dunne.
Many have said that the average mexican would wipe the floor with him. On the 15th we will find out. Garcia is ranked 8th in Mexico which is a big deal considering who's ahead of him, Vasquez, Marquez, Ponce De Leon and co.

Garcia doesnt get KO'd much so if Dunne can stop him we know he has power.
If he beats him convincingly on points we know that technically he is ready for the worlds best.
If he gets hurt bad or loses then its bye bye world title aspirations and he will do well to get a euro title shot in the next year and a half.

Dangerous opponent imo, as dangerous as could be expected.

Hey, I think it has been consistently proved that Dunne hasn't got power and if he does stop this blown up super fly, then all it tells is that the guy isn't up to anything

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

Hey, I think it has been consistently proved that Dunne hasn't got power and if he does stop this blown up super fly, then all it tells is that the guy isn't up to anything

Edit: " If Dunne KOed Manny he would still be a bad of ****"

:rolleyes:

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

Edit: " If Dunne KOed Manny he would still be a bad of ****"

:rolleyes:

I'm not with you; but anyway, Dunne couldn't stop a lot of fighters even when he
had them in trouble. It's fact: Dunne is not a heavy hitter or close to being a heavy hitter!

joepenguin

walshb wrote: »

I think it has been consistently proved that Dunne hasn't got power

True, and it has also been consistently proven that Garcia is a hard man to out down or stop. Thats what Im saying about it being a telling fight and how Dunne performs will be a good gauge as to how he will cope at a higher level.

c1979

Brian Peters said on Irish Boxing.com "If I’m honest he wouldn’t have been the first choice on our list but guys like Oliver Lontchi, Bryan Vazquez, Gary Stark, Sergio Medina and Ceferino Labarda all turned down the fight."

Now look at my original 1st post I had Medina as a potential opponent, so somebody must be listening to me!

walshb

joepenguin wrote: »

True, and it has also been consistently proven that Garcia is a hard man to out down or stop. Thats what Im saying about it being a telling fight and how Dunne performs will be a good gauge as to how he will cope at a higher level.

No, you said that if Dunne takes him out it proves Dunne has power; or words to those effect!

I disagree with this assertion!

joepenguin

walshb wrote: »

No, you said that if Dunne takes him out it proves Dunne has power; or words to those effect!

Well pretty much, we all know he isnt a KO artist or anywhere near it but ill be impressed if he wins inside the 10.

Big Ears

c1979 wrote: »

Brian Peters said on Irish Boxing.com "If I’m honest he wouldn’t have been the first choice on our list but guys like Oliver Lontchi, Bryan Vazquez, Gary Stark, Sergio Medina and Ceferino Labarda all turned down the fight."

Now look at my original 1st post I had Medina as a potential opponent, so somebody must be listening to me!

Not really, when you consider Medina's World rankings and his skill level he's the ideal opponent for any fringe World Class Super-Bantamweight to try and get a World title shot. Considering his Argentinian aswell he's more likely to come cheaper than a lot of fighters of the same level too and if Peters hadn't of looked for that fight I would consider it very poor management.

walshb

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2008/1104/dunneb.html

joepenguin

Happens quite a lot for Dunne doesnt it. Yer man is staright up from bantam and has been put down a fair few times in his career. Good as can be expected for 2 weeks notice though.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=284085&cat=boxer

Edit: Real pity Garcia pulled out as I thought that would be a great fight for him and if he won in style then he could look towards a world title or an eliminator. Judging by this guy Id expect Dunne to take him out midway through the fight or at the very least put on a show for 10 rounds.

Big Ears

It's a real shame Garcia is out because the opponent is a serious stepdown in class(although as good as you could expect given the situation).

You'll notice on Faccio's record that he was stopped in 6 by Santillian(who Dunne beat easily) so I think Dunne may get his first stoppage since Yersn Jailouev. The only upside to Faccio is that he(like Garcia) has a hgh ranking with the WBC one weight down.

It's very frustrating tbh, because Garcia was very much a step in the right direction, Faccio is sideways if not backwards.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

It's a real shame Garcia is out because the opponent is a serious stepdown in class(although as good as you could expect given the situation).

You'll notice on Faccio's record that he was stopped in 6 by Santillian(who Dunne beat easily) so I think Dunne may get his first stoppage since Yersn Jailouev. The only upside to Faccio is that he(like Garcia) has a hgh ranking with the WBC one weight down.

It's very frustrating tbh, because Garcia was very much a step in the right direction, Faccio is sideways if not backwards.

I had noticed that about Santillian. Talk about one step forward and two steps back! This is just further proof that Dunne and his camp aren't the least bit interesetd in progression or challenging for titles or in putting on a legitimate show. They're a complete sham and con act! And I know the original guy pulled out; but serious, either come up with a decent alternative or scrap the affair!

joepenguin

Im very dissapointed we wont get to see Dunne-Garcia but you cant expect a better replacement at such late notice. Even Garcia was a very good opponent at late notice (sidewards step imo, Marchiano wasnt up to much). If Dunne blasts through this guy handy enough id like to see him face Garcia in January/February if he's ok by then. It seemed like a real good test.

Big Ears

joepenguin wrote: »

Im very dissapointed we wont get to see Dunne-Garcia but you cant expect a better replacement at such late notice. Even Garcia was a very good opponent at late notice (sidewards step imo, Marchiano wasnt up to much). If Dunne blasts through this guy handy enough id like to see him face Garcia in January/February if he's ok by then. It seemed like a real good test.

+1, Faccio poses a similar threat to Marchiano(very little) so it'll be a sideways step more than a backwards one. Fortunately Faccio also comes with a nice padded record and a high World ranking in one organisation, preventing the fight from being completely pointless. Of course Dunne does have to put food on the table and needs fights to do that, we'd just prefer if they're more meaningful fights. But on 2 weeks notice you're not going to get any better than Faccio(to come all the way to Ireland anyway).

I'd love to see him take on Garcia early next year provided everything goes okay against Faccio(no cuts etc) and should Dunne come through that then look for an eliminator against someone like Zarate. Of course this is all ideally speaking but it's not unrealistic. With the backing and money Peters has there's no reason why he can't make those fights for Dunne.

Walshb Dunne is needed on the card to sell tickets, he himself probably would like the income a fight brings him, and Faccio's #11 ranking with the WBC at Bantamweight are the reasons why the fight shouldn't have just been called off. Of course staying sharp and active are other good reasons. I think it's better fighting weak fighters then not fighting at all.


On the undercard Stephen Haughian rematches Grassellini, and Henry Coyle has his first fight in Ireland, against what looks a very dangerous fight for him.
John O'Donnell also gets a run out before his british title eliminator with Young Muttley. With out Dunne this card mightn't go ahead, or it at least wouldn't be televised. I understand your frustration but I think this is just an unlucky circumstance for all involved. Garcia was a step in the right direction, and bad luck has put Dunne on a bit of a detour. But I don't think anyone can be blamed.

jordano

Does anyone else think that Bernard's fan base is hindering his career? It's like he dosen't want to put guys away early cos he wants to prolong the show or something. I have seen him more times having his guy in trouble and instead of going for a knockout, he just backs off. It's not that he can't KO these dudes, it's almost as if he dosen't WANT to. Am I making any sense?! BTW I'm a big Bernard Dunne fan but I think if he stayed in the US he would be a lot closer to a world title than he ever will be here in Ireland. Does anyone agree?

alanceltic

I think he is a lot closer to a world totle shot than you believe and i think he will get his opportunity before duddy or lee, i understand what you are saying but theres no way he is stringing along opponents to get rounds under his belt, he does need to find his killer instict tho

jordano

alanceltic wrote: »

I think he is a lot closer to a world totle shot than you believe and i think he will get his opportunity before duddy or lee, i understand what you are saying but theres no way he is stringing along opponents to get rounds under his belt, he does need to find his killer instict tho

I'm not saying he is stringing opponents along but I think he enjoys his time in the ring TOO much! He should be trying to get the job done and get some more KO's on his record. If he is close to a world title shot, that's great. I'd rather see Bernard win a world title than Duddy or Lee, I think he deserves it more and he is one hell of a boxer.

walshb

Enjoying himself?

He simply does not possess the stamina and finishing ability
to take out these tomato cans. That's always been his problem, along
with the glass chin and arrogance in the RING!

And why does he deserve it more than Duddy?

Duddy is an absolute warrior and a credit to the sport who
has fought some real hard men and took some wicked
beatings. Who has Dunne met and bet to deserve
a world title or deserve it more than Duddy?

His first decent foe and he collapsed. When has Duddy ever been
found wanting like Dunne. I like Dunne; but he is nowhere close to
world level and is a league below Duddy as a PRO!

jayroyal

walshb wrote: »

Enjoying himself?

He simply does not possess the stamina and finishing ability
to take out these tomato cans. That's always been his problem, along
with the glass chin and arrogance in the RING!

And why does he deserve it more than Duddy?

Duddy is an absolute warrior and a credit to the sport who
has fought some real hard men and took some wicked
beatings. Who has Dunne met and bet to deserve
a world title or deserve it more than Duddy?

His first decent foe and he collapsed. When has Duddy ever been
found wanting like Dunne. I like Dunne; but he is nowhere close to
world level and is a league below Duddy as a PRO!

duddy is a lot better as a pro but dunne ain't too bad but i'm getting sick of these handbags, why did he go so many levels back down after kiko fight . It wasn't like a 12 round beating.

jordano

walshb wrote: »

Enjoying himself?

He simply does not possess the stamina and finishing ability
to take out these tomato cans. That's always been his problem, along
with the glass chin and arrogance in the RING!

And why does he deserve it more than Duddy?

Duddy is an absolute warrior and a credit to the sport who
has fought some real hard men and took some wicked
beatings. Who has Dunne met and bet to deserve
a world title or deserve it more than Duddy?

His first decent foe and he collapsed. When has Duddy ever been
found wanting like Dunne. I like Dunne; but he is nowhere close to
world level and is a league below Duddy as a PRO!

It has been said before that if Bernard knows his opponent can't hurt him that he will let the fight go the distance and put on a show instead of going for the KO, that is what I am refering to in regards to him enjoying himself too much in the ring.

Glass chin? He was KO'd once in 26 fights, he has been down on the canvas before and came back to win, that does not constitute a glass chin.

What is a tomato can?! If you are implying that all Bernard's opponents have been too easy or whatever that's disrespectful to both Bernard and all the guys he has fought, not cool man.

The kid is not arrogant, not even close, he is simply a confident person with belief in himself. Is that not allowed in this country full of begrudgers?!

In regards to Duddy, he is definately a class below Bernard when it comes to pure boxing ability. Taking "wicked beatings" does not make you a good boxer, it makes you a foolish person! Duddy was found wanting when he faced Campas and Smichet, two fights which many people including myself think he actually lost! If you are talking about pure boxing talent, ability and skill, Duddy cannot come close to Bernard Dunne, that's just a fact. Duddy is too worried about pleasing his New York fans and looks like a punching bag in the ring. If they gave world championships to boxers for bravery he might deserve one but that aint the case.

T-K-O

Duddy is a great guy a likable character but his boxing skills are below Dunnes - that there is no doubt but he has other qualities that make him a good fighter.

But lets not forget he got the face boxed of him in his last bout - a silly mistake on his behalf and a fight that he could live to regret.

T-K-O

jordano wrote: »

It has been said before that if Bernard knows his opponent can't hurt him that he will let the fight go the distance and put on a show instead of going for the KO, that is what I am refering to in regards to him enjoying himself too much in the ring.

Glass chin? He was KO'd once in 26 fights, he has been down on the canvas before and came back to win, that does not constitute a glass chin.

What is a tomato can?! If you are implying that all Bernard's opponents have been too easy or whatever that's disrespectful to both Bernard and all the guys he has fought, not cool man.

The kid is not arrogant, not even close, he is simply a confident person with belief in himself. Is that not allowed in this country full of begrudgers?!

In regards to Duddy, he is definately a class below Bernard when it comes to pure boxing ability. Taking "wicked beatings" does not make you a good boxer, it makes you a foolish person! Duddy was found wanting when he faced Campas and Smichet, two fights which many people including myself think he actually lost! If you are talking about pure boxing talent, ability and skill, Duddy cannot come close to Bernard Dunne, that's just a fact. Duddy is too worried about pleasing his New York fans and looks like a punching bag in the ring. If they gave world championships to boxers for bravery he might deserve one but that aint the case.

You are wasting your time on here about Dunne - he's a bum didnt you know. :rolleyes:

jordano

T-K-O wrote: »

You are wasting your time on here about Dunne - he's a bum didnt you know. :rolleyes:

You're right about Duddy, the man will be shot to fuk if he keeps taking beatings like the Smichet fight.

As for Bernard, if certain people don't rate him that's fair enough, but in my opinion he is one of the best and most exciting fighters Ireland has at the moment.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Enjoying himself?

He simply does not possess the stamina and finishing ability
to take out these tomato cans. That's always been his problem, along
with the glass chin and arrogance in the RING!

And why does he deserve it more than Duddy?

Duddy is an absolute warrior and a credit to the sport who
has fought some real hard men and took some wicked
beatings. Who has Dunne met and bet to deserve
a world title or deserve it more than Duddy?

His first decent foe and he collapsed. When has Duddy ever been
found wanting like Dunne. I like Dunne; but he is nowhere close to
world level and is a league below Duddy as a PRO!

I think he could of finished Marchiano if he really wanted to, but that fight was meant to be about showing discipline and not getting involved in a scrap(which at times made things look ridiculous as they gazed at each other and gestured for long periods while doing nothing).

Duddy was found wanting versus Smichet(I do think he won though), the Campas fight was quite a bit earlier in his career and I don't think it went all that bad. It was tough and close but I think Duddy won it and it was a very good learning fight.

Neither fighter is far from a World title shot. Infact both are probably two wins away. Duddy needing to beat Sam Hill and Ronald Hearns and Dunne needig to beat Faccio plus another very well rated opponent.

I don't think either would be succesful in a title challenge though, Verno Phillips won't be a champion too much longer and with that Duddy's chance will be gone.

ODD-JOB

Duddy's fight is off anyway. no reason why, Duddy says its out of his control,... so it sounds more like bad monney issue than an injury issue.

alanceltic

Not much point really in trying to compare Duddy and Dunne as they are chalk and cheese and each man has his own strenghts and weaknesses. Duddy takes far too much punishment for the level he is currently performing at IMO, he has great heart which compensates for his lack of skills. Dunne on the other had is a very slick boxer and I dont think anyone can take that away from him, quite a lot of people were quick to take an easy shot at him on the back of the martinez fight and are VERY reluctant to give him any sort of credit in any shape or form. if you are to contrast both boxers, Dunne has won a european title and defended it a number of times - an underestimated achievement which gets little credit, has the class and the boxing skills to win a world title shot if he can show that he can slugg it out if necessary, now the thing is most people say he doesnt have this in his locker but the thing is we havent seen him in many fights where he needs to brawl or get ugly so time will tell on this issue. And like i said before I think he will get his title shot very soon (before duddy).

And its not a case of who deserves it most....you get what you deserve, we all have our favourites and at the end of the day they are both currently operating at fringe world level and we should be getting behind them both ffs instead of being so bleedin petty, one thing is for sure 2009 will see irish boxing moving to another level.

Oh yeah JORDANO, you arent allowed to use the word BEGRUDGER because some people just refuse to accept this..

jordano

alanceltic wrote: »

Not much point really in trying to compare Duddy and Dunne as they are chalk and cheese and each man has his own strenghts and weaknesses. Duddy takes far too much punishment for the level he is currently performing at IMO, he has great heart which compensates for his lack of skills. Dunne on the other had is a very slick boxer and I dont think anyone can take that away from him, quite a lot of people were quick to take an easy shot at him on the back of the martinez fight and are VERY reluctant to give him any sort of credit in any shape or form. if you are to contrast both boxers, Dunne has won a european title and defended it a number of times - an underestimated achievement which gets little credit, has the class and the boxing skills to win a world title shot if he can show that he can slugg it out if necessary, now the thing is most people say he doesnt have this in his locker but the thing is we havent seen him in many fights where he needs to brawl or get ugly so time will tell on this issue. And like i said before I think he will get his title shot very soon (before duddy).

And its not a case of who deserves it most....you get what you deserve, we all have our favourites and at the end of the day they are both currently operating at fringe world level and we should be getting behind them both ffs instead of being so bleedin petty, one thing is for sure 2009 will see irish boxing moving to another level.

Oh yeah JORDANO, you arent allowed to use the word BEGRUDGER because some people just refuse to accept this..

I agree with what you are saying, I simply made a point that I think Bernard Dunne deserves a title shot more than Duddy, that's just my personal opinion, if you are basing it on ability not marketability. I like Duddy, don't get me wrong but I believe Bernard is the better boxer of the two by a mile, but I know they shouldn't really be compared.
I don't understand why Bernard Dunne gets so much crap from people, he is judged based on a lucky KO rather than the sum total of all his achievements (11 national amateur titles, like you said EBU championship and two successful defenses, etc). Credit where it's due lads!

Frankie Lee

Only a fool would say Bernard Dunne is not a good boxer, however I would say he would just be a bit short of being a world champion.
I think he lacks the toughness in a proper fight.

He gets crap from people because he is an unlikable character in the traditional cocky dub stereotype, plain and simple. Virtually everybody I knew were delighted after the kiko fight.

In the weekends fight I'd go for Dunne to win by KO in the 3rd.

walshb

Bernard is a lovely boxer and stylist; and that's about it. Boxing is about so much more and Duddy IMO has all the tangibles that Dunne will never have!

When Dunne's opponents aren't up to much, al is well with Bernard.

Tomato cans?

It's a boxing term for really poor fighters; which is what most of Dunne's
victims have been

jordano

walshb wrote: »

Bernard is a lovely boxer and stylist; and that's about it. Boxing is about so much more and Duddy IMO has all the tangibles that Dunne will never have!

When Dunne's opponents aren't up to much, al is well with Bernard.

Tomato cans?

It's a boxing term for really poor fighters; which is what most of Dunne's
victims have been

Never heard that term before, an official term is it?! So you are basically calling everyone Bernard has ever fought "really poor fighters"? That is a bit of a stretch. Your argument about Duddy having "all the tangibles Dunne will never have", makes no sense to me. I like Duddy but he is a one dimensional boxer with zero technique at times, other than an agressive style what does he possess that Bernard does not?
There is a difference between boxing and fighting, Bernard is by far the superior boxer and it remains to be seen if he can fight.
Anyway let us agree to disagree on that point cos everyone has their favourite boxer.