Stopped for not indicating?

tuxy

Watch so American tv programs I see people getting pulled over by the police for not indicating.
I have never heard of this happening in Ireland.
Is it illegal to not indicate properly here and can the cops pull people for it?

2qk4u

It may fall under "driving without due care and attention"

Mellor

Of courses its illegal

Tannylan

Mellor wrote: »

Of courses its illegal

+1

MarkR

tuxy wrote: »

Watch so American tv programs I see people getting pulled over by the police for not indicating.
I have never heard of this happening in Ireland.
Is it illegal to not indicate properly here and can the cops pull people for it?

Please tell me you don't drive?

tuxy

MarkR wrote: »

Please tell me you don't drive?

So you can name a case were someone was prosecuted for not indicating?

amacachi

Just because a law isn't enforced doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

cyclopath2001

2qk4u wrote: »

It may fall under "driving without due care and attention"

No, its important enough to be mentioned explicitly:

18. (1) A driver intending to slow down, stop, or alter course, shall either give a signal by using a direction indicator or stop lamp, as appropriate, or give the appropriate hand signal set out in Table A in the Second Schedule......(3) A driver shall give a signal in sufficient time before altering course and in such a manner as to be clearly visible and clearly understood by those for whom such signal is intended.

But a great number of vehicle drivers don't know it's obligatory.

tuxy

amacachi wrote: »

Just because a law isn't enforced doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I know but I'm wondering why it is not enforced.

MarkR

tuxy wrote: »

So you can name a case were someone was prosecuted for not indicating?

Nope. But that's because I'm not the encyclopedia of cases involving traffic law, not because there's never been a prosecution. Could fall under the category of careless driving, Contravention of requirements regarding driving of vehicles at road junctions. Either way I think that it should be enforced more, along with lane usage, particular on roundabouts.

Remember kids, indicators aren't just for other people.

Sandwich

amacachi wrote: »

Just because a law isn't enforced doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Indeed. Kinda sums up our motoring law in general - aspirational rather than really committed - or, "a bit Irish".

Yakult

MarkR wrote: »

Please tell me you don't drive?

and if he does drive, please tell me he doesnt have a full liecence?

D_murph

amacachi wrote: »

Just because a law isn't enforced doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

a pity in this case as i have seen so many times lately where people couldnt be bothered to indicate when i was waiting at a junction etc :rolleyes:.

then again, just because they indicate that they are going to turn down a road you are coming out of at a T-junction doesnt necessarily mean they even know the indicators are even on here anyway as i nearly found out the hard way some time back :rolleyes: :mad:.

ShayK1

Its not actually illegal, you're under no legal obligation to use inticators however, you could be done for driving without due care or something else along those lines.

egan007

It's not Illegal

In the hibernian run advanced driving (run by the iam http://www.iam.org.uk/)they pointed out that you should indicate to a person that you are going to maneuver and not a a matter of mechanics.

Meaning if nobody is around to indicate to then it's hardly necessary.

-My question was what all you are thinking - how do you know if nobosy is around to see you....The answer. Observation.

T-Maxx

Surely if it was illegal BMW would've fitted them to their models?;)

biko

tuxy wrote: »

I know but I'm wondering why it is not enforced.

If the Garada stopped you/everyone for this offense:
1) 1000s of hysterical men would ring Joe Duffy about why the Garda are not catching "real criminals".
2) it's too many people doing it so it'd take too much time and effort. Better to wait until you cause a collision and nab you then.

ShayK1 wrote: »

Its not actually illegal, you're under no legal obligation to use inticators however, you could be done for driving without due care or something else along those lines.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1964/en/si/0294.html
23.—(1) Whenever a driver intends to slow down, stop or alter course, he shall either give a hand signal in accordance with the following Table or give a signal by using a direction indicator

Eoin

T-Maxx wrote: »

Surely if it was illegal BMW would've fitted them to their models?;)

Can't believe that's the first time someone's said that on these types of threads... Oh wait.

TheNog

tuxy wrote: »

I know but I'm wondering why it is not enforced.

It is not enforced regularly because people for the most part change their driving behaviour when they see a patrol car. When they don't see a patrol car they revert to their lazy ways again

astrofool

eoin_s wrote: »

Can't believe that's the first time someone's said that on these types of threads... Oh wait.

Only cos it's true unfortunately. I'd say a lot of the genuinely good driving BMW owners must be annoyed at the label, but the number out there that break all the rules seems to outnumber them (or at least do stupid things at prominent points on the road). I have a 15 minute drive to work, and every second day there's a BMW undertaking riskily, using the bus lane all the way (usually trying to hide behind a bus), and just not indicating everywhere.

I'd always indicate, even for small maneuvers (esp. at roundabouts), you never know who might be watching for what you're doing, and it's good practice. You'll never get yourself and others in trouble by indicating even if no ones there.

Black_Knight

When I read the title I was hoping someone had been stopped for not indicating!
My hopes were soon dashed!

Mellor

ShayK1 wrote: »

Its not actually illegal, you're under no legal obligation to use inticators however, you could be done for driving without due care or something else along those lines.

egan007 wrote: »

It's not Illegal

In the hibernian run advanced driving (run by the iam http://www.iam.org.uk/)they pointed out that you should indicate to a person that you are going to maneuver and not a a matter of mechanics.

Double fail
(please read thread before posting ridic comments)

worded

People get seriously injured in accidents or die because indicators are not used.

I cant understand why people dont use them, its so selfish.

It should be classed as dangerous driving IMO.

seclachi

I`m guessing they dont pursue it because its a pretty small offence and is probably only worthy of an earful at best. If something more serious results out of it (i.e somebody slams into you) it probably becomes reckless driving or some catch all. Another reason is that gardai are more interested in speeding or drink driving, which makes sense (Not indicating the silent killer !)

That being said though, its a right pain in balls sitting at a roundabout waiting for one muppet after another to indicate so you know if they are taking your exit or are going to drive right infront of you.

worded

Its worse for a biker where someone in a car doesnt indicate and moves into your lane causing you to veer off into the centre divide (made from wire with no design care for motor cyclists) on a motor way which tears off your limbs as you slide along.

People who don’t indicate should be made travel on a motor bike for a week and see how it feels to share the road with selfish fools

"Sorry mate I didnt see you" is no excuse. http://smidsy.com/

seclachi

worded wrote: »

Its worse for a biker where someone in a car doesnt indicate and moves into your lane causing you to veer off into the centre divide (made from wire with no design care for motor cyclists) on a motor way which tears off your limbs as you slide along.

People who don’t indicate should be made travel on a motor bike for a week and see how it feels to share the road with selfish fools

"Sorry mate I didnt see you" is no excuse. http://smidsy.com/

Thats why I dont do motor bikes, I`m not immune to idiots in a car, but at least I know Im far less likely to get shredded. That being said I always keep an eye for bikers for that exact reason.

Karma

so if you don't use your indicators and are involved in a accident as a result, will the message get across to ya?
they are there for a reason. use them so other people are informed of your actions.

did you miss this?

Dabko

agghh - swear to god, i would give away one of my nuts to see some middle aged motorist, with their head planted up their smug hole, getting nailed for no indicators.
"Exxcuse me, Guard, how DARE you assume i cant drive correctly. Of course i used my indicator. Im writing a letter tonight, after the local residents committee meeting, to my local newspaper and Joe Duffy"

Would you trust a heart surgeon who, after qualifying as a doctor 20 years ago, never ever took any classes or courses to keep his skills up to date?:mad::mad::mad:

Seth Brundle

Dabko wrote: »

Would you trust a heart surgeon who, after qualifying as a doctor 20 years ago, never ever took any classes or courses to keep his skills up to date?:mad::mad::mad:

Do you take refresher courses in driving then? :rolleyes:

T-Maxx

Touché!:D

Dabko

kbannon wrote: »

Do you take refresher courses in driving then? :rolleyes:

Thank you both for your concern.
However, I passed my driving test 2 years ago, and have only being driving for 4 years. I have learned to drive in vans and cars of varying sizes. I drive on a regular basis all over cork, Dublin, galway and up north. My point being that i have more experience driving on Irish roads than most people in Ireland over the age of 40. Things change, so must people.
Sorry if it pis5es all you folks that fall into this bracket, but there are a serious amount of stupid, fast asleep, careless drivers out there and im my experience alot need to wake up or risk slaughtering themselves or others around them.

Also, im 29 not a boy racer y anything like that.

Steve

Dabko wrote: »

i have more experience driving on Irish roads than most people in Ireland over the age of 40.

Come back and say that when you've done 500k miles and it might be credible.

E92

Is it any wonder that the standard of driving in this country is so low when people don't know even the most basic rules of the road?

I actually can't believe some of the things I'm reading on a so called "Motors" forum tbh.

Seth Brundle

Dabko wrote: »

Thank you both for your concern.

I'm not concerned!

Dabko wrote: »

However, I passed my driving test 2 years ago, and have only being driving for 4 years. I have learned to drive in vans and cars of varying sizes. I drive on a regular basis all over cork, Dublin, galway and up north. My point being that i have more experience driving on Irish roads than most people in Ireland over the age of 40. Things change, so must people.
Sorry if it pis5es all you folks that fall into this bracket, but there are a serious amount of stupid, fast asleep, careless drivers out there and im my experience alot need to wake up or risk slaughtering themselves or others around them.

Also, im 29 not a boy racer y anything like that.

You made a bold statement and now it turns out that you aren't licenced for that long so you really aren't in a position to make that kind of statement.
:rolleyes:

Run_to_da_hills

tuxy wrote: »

Watch so American tv programs I see people getting pulled over by the police for not indicating.
I have never heard of this happening in Ireland.
Is it illegal to not indicate properly here and can the cops pull people for it?

I got a "citation" in Washington State for not indicating, its called a "moving violation" and they take it more seriously than here.

I also got done for a €60 fine for not using indicators on a motorbike in the city thats because I didnt have them on the bike. I was given 10 days to fit them because the indicator switch was still on the bike. I didnt argue.

Dabko

it appears ive ruffled a few feathers amongst the elders of the motoring tribe. Well, as they say, all dogs have their day.

Im off now to put 500miles of absolutely sh1te driving beneath my inexperienced britches!

johnnyrotten

Illegial except for Taxi drivers

Max_Damage

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I got a "citation" in Washington State for not indicating, its called a "moving violation" and they take it more seriously than here.

I also got done for a €60 fine for not using indicators on a motorbike in the city thats because I didnt have them on the bike. I was given 10 days to fit them because the indicator switch was still on the bike. I didnt argue.

Did the ANPR catch you not using your indicators!?