remote viewing

conceited

Bs or fact?

nouveau_4.0

conceited wrote: »

Bs or fact?

BS. End of!

AlanD

fact. The cia ran programs using remote viewing in the early 80s. Its something that can be taught still. But its not what you might think it is. It is not something like closing your eyes and seeing a remote place. It is about gathering information about another place in an altered state of consciousness. Check out a podcast called theatre of the mind. She interviews a former cia remote viewer. Very intriguing.

nouveau_4.0

AlanD wrote: »

fact. The cia ran programs using remote viewing in the early 80s. Its something that can be taught still. But its not what you might think it is. It is not something like closing your eyes and seeing a remote place. It is about gathering information about another place in an altered state of consciousness. Check out a podcast called theatre of the mind. She interviews a former cia remote viewer. Very intriguing.

Well the first word in your post is fact, so it must be true :rolleyes:

Hal1

Just taught I'd add this link in to a past discussion on this, just in case this thread goes bellend up:pac:

AARRRGH

It has been proven that "psychic" remote viewers get the same results as non-psychic remote viewers.

It's BS.

Hal1

Ya'rly?

tipp86

deal or no deal

AlanD

nouveau_4.0 wrote: »

Well the first word in your post is fact, so it must be true :rolleyes:

yes 'cos that's how the word works......see?

Here's the link to the podcast I mentioned if anyone is interested - http://www.theatreofthemind.com/podcasts.asp?podcast=36

Something else that can help back up remote viewing or psychic abilities is the fact that it has been proven that in quantum physics, there are up to 3,000 instances of any one thing at any one time, but only one can be seen because of the power of the observer. So any one of these other 3,000 instances which co-exist, but are not independent of each other, can relay information to observed person, or the remote viewer/psychic.

I don't explain it very well. But the ability is there.

nouveau_4.0

AlanD wrote: »

yes 'cos that's how the word works......see?

Here's the link to the podcast I mentioned if anyone is interested - http://www.theatreofthemind.com/podcasts.asp?podcast=36

Something else that can help back up remote viewing or psychic abilities is the fact that it has been proven that in quantum physics, there are up to 3,000 instances of any one thing at any one time, but only one can be seen because of the power of the observer. So any one of these other 3,000 instances which co-exist, but are not independent of each other, can relay information to observed person, or the remote viewer/psychic.

I don't explain it very well. But the ability is there.

I think you might want to look into Quantum mechanics a bit more. Your explanation is very sketchy. Quantum physics is being used as a cop out for psychic abilities, human soul, existance of God, and all sorts of other superstitions. The fact that we don't fully understand it doesn't mean it explains all of lifes mysteries.

Ziycon

I would be more pushed towards it being real, after hearing a talk by Paul O'Connor last night at DublinParaCon '08 its interested me, look at it from the perspective of the CIA and the US DOD and Russian Military(also DIA,FBI,NSA and probably more) why would all these groups spend money and resources on something that had no ground, it doesn't add up, why would they research and develop methods to teach something that is BS.
It's very easy to come along and say its all BS when you don't know the history of where it came from properly, its like anything you don't understand fully, you will de-bunk it if it seems even that little bit out of the grasp of what you though you knew, no one wants to be proven wrong!

AlanD

nouveau_4.0 wrote: »

I think you might want to look into Quantum mechanics a bit more. Your explanation is very sketchy. Quantum physics is being used as a cop out for psychic abilities, human soul, existance of God, and all sorts of other superstitions. The fact that we don't fully understand it doesn't mean it explains all of lifes mysteries.

You could be absolutely right, but certain theories that can explain psychic abilities have been proven.

I'm certainly no expert on quantum physics, so only know what I've read in several places over the years. It's only opinion on my part.

As for the existence of God and the rest of it.....that's all going to come from interpretation, the basis of which comes from the theory that all energy is God and God is all energy. The bible will tell you God is within you, without you and pretty much everywhere. The energy that binds us together can be interpreted as one of the same thing.

But the scientists who look in to all this stuff are certainly on to something I believe. They may not always be right, but that's part of the process.

The point about government agencies spending big money on remote viewing is very valid.

Skeptic_Desu

Ziycon wrote: »

I would be more pushed towards it being real, after hearing a talk by Paul O'Connor last night at DublinParaCon '08 its interested me, look at it from the perspective of the CIA and the US DOD and Russian Military(also DIA,FBI,NSA and probably more) why would all these groups spend money and resources on something that had no ground, it doesn't add up, why would they research and develop methods to teach something that is BS.
It's very easy to come along and say its all BS when you don't know the history of where it came from properly, its like anything you don't understand fully, you will de-bunk it if it seems even that little bit out of the grasp of what you though you knew, no one wants to be proven wrong!

That kinda an argument from authority.
The US government has invested heavily in many, many projects that had no merit or just plain didn't produce results. The Bat bomb and the X-15 come to mind.
The truth is: they thought it had merit, it was tested, there were no reliable results.
Here's a great podcast on the subject.
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4044

Skeptic_Desu

AlanD wrote: »

You could be absolutely right, but certain theories that can explain psychic abilities have been proven.

I'm certainly no expert on quantum physics, so only know what I've read in several places over the years. It's only opinion on my part.

No quantum theories explain any psychic abilities. For that matter no one has shown a plausible mechanism for psychic abilities.
Of course debating the mechanism of these abilities is rather pointless until somebody shows these abilities to exist.

tallus

Skeptic_Desu wrote: »

That kinda an argument from authority.
The US government has invested heavily in many, many projects that had no merit or just plain didn't produce results. The Bat bomb and the X-15 come to mind.
The truth is: they thought it had merit, it was tested, there were no reliable results.
Here's a great podcast on the subject.
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4044

There were reliable results, Google Ingo Swann.
link http://www.remoteviewed.com/remote_viewing_jupiter.htm
He remotely viewed the rings of saturn and sketched in detail what he saw, and was later proven to be correct.

Skeptic_Desu

tallus wrote: »

There were reliable results, Google Ingo Swann.
link http://www.remoteviewed.com/remote_viewing_jupiter.htm
He remotely viewed the rings of saturn and sketched in detail what he saw, and was later proven to be correct.

Surely you understand why an article written by the person making the claim, published on his own website and citing no independent external sources isn't the most compelling evidence?

tallus

The results were held independently and a long time before the nasa probe sent back information and were still proven to be correct.
far as I know, that's not Ingo Swann's site.

Skeptic_Desu

tallus wrote: »

The results were held independently and a long time before the nasa probe sent back information and were still proven to be correct.

Most of the stuff given on that article was in fact known at the time.
Assuming that he made these statements when he said he did.
Perhaps you could give a link to these independent results?

tallus wrote: »

far as I know, that's not Ingo Swann's site.

You're right that isn't his site, my bad:o
the article is also on his website
http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/1973JupiterRVProbe.html

psychic-hack

Going back to the o.p., I'm still curious about the effectiveness of the technique. Is anyone going to the course they're holding on remote viewing in Dublin this weekend? At 900 euro it was a bit too dear for me....:(

I was talking to remote viewer Henrik Enrold at the Convention and he was telling me how it can be used for medical diagnoses. I thought of Edgar Cayce and wondered did he stumble on remote viewing by accident all those years ago. Just a thought.

Oryx

AARRRGH wrote: »

It has been proven that "psychic" remote viewers get the same results as non-psychic remote viewers.

It's BS.

Source?

Ive done it for fun. Sometimes its accurate. Sometimes not. Which is why its still just an amusement with me and not a handy way to view my neighbour in his undies.

My jury is still out on the reality or effectiveness, but I still dabble when the mood takes me.