You'll never guess what happened now

SunnyP

Im seriously starting to think that I am the worst dog owner in the world.

We had two boxers Roy was 11 months and Sasha is 8 months, those who read my previous thread will know Roy died last week.
My boyfriend had been talking about getting a new puppy for a while now and when Roy died and he saw how upset I was he thought the time was right so in he came to the house with a little 10 week old brindle bitch who I have called Chewy

She is completely adorable and I love her to bits and am completely attached already so to get to the point on Sunday gone we were outside the front door talking to our neighbours Chewy was inside with our 7 year old playing on the sofa.

Out of nowhere a Staff walked into the house and into my kitchen, as I was trying to get him out he spotted the puppy. It was horrible! The Staff locked onto the pup's jaw and just started shaking her like a rag doll.

My boyfriend tried his best to free the pup (and has the scratches to prove it) then the staffs owner came in and he tried free the pup. Finally after about 15 minutes the staff let go.

I didnt think it was too bad till I picked Chewy up and saw how mangled she was so straight into the vets we went

Thankfully she is now home 6 staples in her jaw 20 internal mouth stiches and a piece of her jaw bone less.

The staffs owner was really apologetic and has offered to pay all the vets fees, our 7 year old is still having nightmares and she seen the attack but at least the pup is okay

Basically what Im worried about is how she will now react to other dogs I'm petrified to let her further than the front door and havent brought her out for a walk since it happened

Will this make her a vicious dog towards other dogs?? Is there anything I can do to help her get over the attack (hope that doesnt sound too dramatic and you know what I mean)

Apologies for the rant

kerrysgold

omg poor little pup and so sorry to hear about Roy

what an idiot of an owner of the staffie, did she even offer to cover your vet bills?

I suppose as soon as the little pup is feeling OK try and get her socializing with friendly, calm dogs who will play but not be too rough with her, maybe try and enroll her in a training class with other puppies?

good luck.

Beth

Oh my god! Congrats on the new pup! But I'm stunned at what has happened, the poor girl

Too right the owner should be paying the vet bill. While your home is not public property, he still should have had the dog under control as it was not invited inside your property.

The only thing to try help her now with other dogs is to socialise her with others who you know are calm and can help build up the pup's confidence a bit.

also as kerrysgold says, enrol in puppy classes as soon as she's well enough. She will be mixing with lots of dogs, while strengthening the bond between you and her. The trainer in the puppy classes might also be able to let you attend other classes on the sidelines so that she will be around more and more dogs that are under control and will hopefully be ok in the future.

Best of luck to you

BlackCat2008

The poor little thing,

Around here I have to keep my door closed all the time and work on a two door system, you close one door before you open another, all the dogs in the neighbour hood are use to running up to my car, they all know I have treats for them, stupid owners allow them to wonder all day, they'd be OK if they got in to the males but not the bitch or the cats. I have a que of cats at night for dinner and a que of dogs when I arrive back from the school for treats.

It's not far that you take such good care of your pets only to have some ejit put them at risk because they can't even be bothered too look for the lead, and for that matter giving those with so called dangerous breeds a bad name, if the owner doesn't pay up for the bills take him to the small claims court, it won't cost you much but you can if I remember correctly get up to 3K and that was in punt so I'm sure it's more now.

Do take her to puppy classes were she can get use to dogs her own size and age and ask the instructor if she can just sit in and watch older dogs train, you'd be surprised how much animals dog or cat can take in simply by watching and when she shows interest in wanting to join in, let her.

I had a pup here recently who watch the two big guys and with in a day or two had figured out that you follow the bigs out to go to the toilet but you never stop on your way through the kitchen in case the bitch gets you, thats how quick they can learn from just watching.

I hope her recovery go's well.

Did he say why the dog was of lead near the roads ? or did it escape ?

miss no stars

take the puppy along to training classes, not even to participate but just to be used to having other dogs around. Poor poor little thing.

Also, and very pressingly. Your daughter is traumatised. She witnessed a brutal attack. Has the owner offered to pay for councilling for your child? I mean christ, a 7 year old shouldn't be witness to that!

the_syco

miss no stars wrote: »

Also, and very pressingly. Your daughter is traumatised. She witnessed a brutal attack. Has the owner offered to pay for councilling for your child? I mean christ, a 7 year old shouldn't be witness to that!

Second this. Had a fear of dogs once myself. Your kid may grow to be terrified of large dogs, and esp the staffie which mangled your dog.

Dave147

The fact that you're straight onto boards all worried about your pup being attacked just shows, no, you're absolutely not the worst pet owner in the world, nor are you even close. Sorry to hear about your dog Roy, if anything happened my fella I'd be in bits. My labrador was attacked by two vicious ba****ds up our road a good few years ago, he was always placid and still is. He doesn't get to be around other dogs much but I would encourage to let your pup see other dogs, but just to be very cautious, can't really do any harm..

SunnyP

BlackCat2008 wrote: »

The poor little thing,

Around here I have to keep my door closed all the time and work on a two door system, you close one door before you open another, all the dogs in the neighbour hood are use to running up to my car, they all know I have treats for them, stupid owners allow them to wonder all day, they'd be OK if they got in to the males but not the bitch or the cats. I have a que of cats at night for dinner and a que of dogs when I arrive back from the school for treats.

It's not far that you take such good care of your pets only to have some ejit put them at risk because they can't even be bothered too look for the lead, and for that matter giving those with so called dangerous breeds a bad name, if the owner doesn't pay up for the bills take him to the small claims court, it won't cost you much but you can if I remember correctly get up to 3K and that was in punt so I'm sure it's more now.

Do take her to puppy classes were she can get use to dogs her own size and age and ask the instructor if she can just sit in and watch older dogs train, you'd be surprised how much animals dog or cat can take in simply by watching and when she shows interest in wanting to join in, let her.

I had a pup here recently who watch the two big guys and with in a day or two had figured out that you follow the bigs out to go to the toilet but you never stop on your way through the kitchen in case the bitch gets you, thats how quick they can learn from just watching.

I hope her recovery go's well.

Did he say why the dog was of lead near the roads ? or did it escape ?

Seemingly the dog escaped. He also said that the dog has never done anything like this before and that kids from the estate have often been riding on his back up and down the road !!!!!!

He has left the choice up to us as to whethar we want the dog put down or not

the_syco wrote: »

Second this. Had a fear of dogs once myself. Your kid may grow to be terrified of large dogs, and esp the staffie which mangled your dog.

She seems to be coping a bit better now thank god she has been playing with our 8 month old boxer who is really big all weekend so hopefully she wont get a fear of dogs from this

I still cant believe it happened especially in my own sitting room but I thank god it wasnt worse.

The pup is doing really well it doesnt seem to have had a bad effect on her she is bouncing around the garden after my Jack Russell as I type lol

arybvtcw0eolkf

Sweet Jesus OP, thats pretty shocking.

You know what, if you were living near me (Dublin 13) I'd invite you, your daughter and the puppy around to mine to meet two very friendly and well socialized Staffs and hoped they play a part in the healing process for both.

Even thinking about what you all witnessed makes my stomach turn.

Its sounds on surface that the owner of the Staff is trying to make some amends, but they've a huge amount of work ahead and owe a huge amount to you all.

As I said, if it helps your more than welcome to introduce your daugher and/or puppy to two very friendly and gentle staffs (one's only a puppy herself).

Regards to you all.

SunnyP

Mairt wrote: »

Sweet Jesus OP, thats pretty shocking.

You know what, if you were living near me (Dublin 13) I'd invite you, your daughter and the puppy around to mine to meet two very friendly and well socialized Staffs and hoped they play a part in the healing process for both.

Even thinking about what you all witnessed makes my stomach turn.

Its sounds on surface that the owner of the Staff is trying to make some amends, but they've a huge amount of work ahead and owe a huge amount to you all.

As I said, if it helps your more than welcome to introduce your daugher and/or puppy to two very friendly and gentle staffs (one's only a puppy herself).

Regards to you all.

Aw thanks Mairt thats really nice. Even though what happened happened Im not blaming the breed at all. I think Staff's get an awful lot of bad press and it could just as easily been a different breed that done the damage.

I think we just need to remember that dogs even though we love them can sometimes be unpredictable and they need constant guidance and training from their owners

Thank you so much for your offer its really nice of you

BlackCat2008

The young always amaze you at how well they can bounce back, I can't imagen any kid being allowed to ride on any dogs back how big is this dog staffy, lab, greyhound or great dane ? dogs backs are not meant for that.

Just because a dog see's people as friends doesn't mean he see's dogs as friends and vica versa, my molly hates everyone (but me), but she is realising with two other dogs around and kitties that she can have some fun, but can't be left unsupervise around them all the same.

If you think he has learnd his lesson on controlling his dog and has shown great remorse over what has happened and you believe he will keep the dog under control in the future then I would think of it as lesson learned and let him keep his dog, better to know your enemy than to find a new dog in your sitting room doing the same thing.

I sappose it's all well people posting what they think is best but you are the one that has to live their and need to do what is best for your family.

I hope the little guy will heal well and don't forget some pic's when he's all better.

SunnyP

I dont think I could ever force someone to have their animal put down. The owner is question has seen what his dog can do and I honestly believe the fright has made him learn his lesson.

Chewy is doing really really well she is due in the vets on Wednesday to have her staples removed although somehow she has managed to remove one of them herself (we named her well I think).

This is her looking very sorry for herself

arybvtcw0eolkf

SunnyP wrote: »

This is her looking very sorry for herself

Considering you say it was a sustained 15 minute attack your puppy escaped remarkable well thankgod, I was dreading opening the photo for what I thought I'd see.

Regards to you all once again.

cowzerp

Chewy looks great, after 15mins of been attacked by anything thats nothing, good to see the pup is well..

ps, Chewy might have been a bad name choice!
ps, very bad joke!

BlackCat2008

She is very cute I asume this is before the attack, I've seen minor damage been done to the body in seconds that looked severe, if not I have to say she got away with a lot, you did say the dog just hung on so maybe thats why there is not a hugh amount of damage to see.

I'm just glad she's ok. and so cute, I want a puppy? I want have mine for another six weeks I haven't even seen her yet but I always pick the runt something about a dog thats a fighter, always had runts they just have the best personnalities.

Your enemy now will be keeping infections at bay and believe it or not, letting the other dog lick her wounds for her will help to heal it, my vet told me once they have a natural something or other in their saliva that helps to heal wounds, ask your vet about it next time your there.

Any way glad to see she's doing fine. So cute.

SunnyP

Hey guys the pic was actually taken bout 4 days after the attack the damage is too her left jaw. The only thing that can be seen is 4 punture wounds (stables are holding them together) the swelling was really bad but my vet is fantastic and with antibiotics and cold packs the swelling cleared up quite quickly.

All her stiches and icky wounds are on the inside of her mouth so her external beauty has been protected lol. Im still a bit worried about the piece of her jawbone that I know have on my mantel piece hehe!!

Your dead right bout a dogs lick blackcat they have antiseptic properties in their salvia and my other boxer Sasha is being a total mammy with loads of licks for the pup

cowzerp

im sorry but if a shi tzu attacked your dog for 15mins it would be way worse than this, your exagerating at best-sorry your pup was attacked but this sort of story makes staffs out to be the demons that some people believe and then to see the pic of a pup thats been attaked by 1 for 15 mins ,

im saying this because i dont believe your version of the story.

pitbull_fanatic

i agree... a staff would have went straight through a young puppys face after 15mins

cowzerp

actually probably after 1 min if it had intent, i wonder was it just pinning the pup down in a domineering manner. Not right but hardly savage behaviour.

Green Hornet

Out of curiosity, would a fully grown protective boxer be a match for a staff? Maybe the puppy will get her own back when she's fully grown . An aggressive boxer is an intimidating sight - love them though.

miss no stars

Has anyone who's disputing the time ever had one of those moments when you see something about to happen, know that it's gonna happen and see it all unfold in slow motion? Most people have.

It's one of our basic survival instinct. If we enter a state of alarm, our brain is able to process something like 200% of the information in half the time, I'm not sure of the exact figures but I'm sure you get the gist. The point being, if you're in danger, it "gives you time" to weigh up your options to give you the best possible chance of survival. Hence, seeing things "in slow motion".

If the OP was panicking about the puppy (most likely she was!) and they took say, 4 minutes of wrestling with the dog to let go, it could easily feel like 15 minutes. Don't slate people because of how nature effects perception! It's also likely that they were trying to hold the jaws open for quite some time, minimising damage and only after a significant period actually managed to free the pup.

cowzerp

yeah but its exaggerated to sound worse than it was, i thought the pup was half dead!

BlackCat2008

I believe her, the greyhound I have can chew through a bone in 10mins when it takes the others 24 hrs too, he is very patient with the collie I have, and believe you me I understand why on one claimed him, there's days I could pull my hair out at the rut with him, but pavo has him all day to put up with, when pavo losses it with him, it's not a pretty sight, the collie is tall for a rough collie and pavo grabs him by the back of the neck and shakes him about like a rag doll, it's horrible to see, he doesn't let go of the spot he grabs and the collie has so much hair there's no real damage done but it's quit frighting to see and have to step into, I know pavo would never hurt me, so I'm not afraid to grab him but I did pull the collie away once and he got his leg and bite down, it was a bad one and he wouldn't let go till I grabbed him, when it happens it's frighting and can seem to last forever but because they don't release once they lock on damage is minimal but still bad.

arybvtcw0eolkf

cowzerp wrote: »

yeah but its exaggerated to sound worse than it was, i thought the pup was half dead!

Tbh Paul I don't think she intended that. She didn't go off on one about Staffs like most people would in that situ.

But I do think there was a lot of exaggeration in saying the attacked last 15 minutes (including her BF needing stitches in trying to wrestle the Staff from the puppy).

I know my older lad could destroy a decent sized marrow bone in that time, I think if a Staff (or almost any dog) took hold of a puppy for 15 minutes the OP would have one dead puppy on her hands.

OP like I said earlier, I'd glad your puppy is relatively unharmed and is on the way to making a complete recovery.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Green Hornet wrote: »

Out of curiosity, would a fully grown protective boxer be a match for a staff? Maybe the puppy will get her own back when she's fully grown . An aggressive boxer is an intimidating sight - love them though.

The real question here is ''who would win a fight between a polar bear and a grizzly bear?"..

:P

SunnyP

cowzerp wrote: »

im sorry but if a shi tzu attacked your dog for 15mins it would be way worse than this, your exagerating at best-sorry your pup was attacked but this sort of story makes staffs out to be the demons that some people believe and then to see the pic of a pup thats been attaked by 1 for 15 mins ,

im saying this because i dont believe your version of the story.

I think I have said in some of my previous posts that I dont believe the dog attacked because it was a staff - any dog could have done it. I actually think staffs are lovely dogs and do have a bad rep but as Ive already said before it could have been any sort of dog

cowzerp wrote: »

yeah but its exaggerated to sound worse than it was, i thought the pup was half dead!

The pup was being shook around like a rag doll and at the end of it I actually thought she was half dead, my apologies if the storey sounds exaggerated but the pup is now missing a chunk of its jaw bone in my opinion that along with the 4 punture wounds (hence the nead for staples) and her internal tearing I think its fairly bad.

miss no stars wrote: »

Has anyone who's disputing the time ever had one of those moments when you see something about to happen, know that it's gonna happen and see it all unfold in slow motion? Most people have.

It's one of our basic survival instinct. If we enter a state of alarm, our brain is able to process something like 200% of the information in half the time, I'm not sure of the exact figures but I'm sure you get the gist. The point being, if you're in danger, it "gives you time" to weigh up your options to give you the best possible chance of survival. Hence, seeing things "in slow motion".

If the OP was panicking about the puppy (most likely she was!) and they took say, 4 minutes of wrestling with the dog to let go, it could easily feel like 15 minutes. Don't slate people because of how nature effects perception! It's also likely that they were trying to hold the jaws open for quite some time, minimising damage and only after a significant period actually managed to free the pup.

Maybe it didnt last for exactly 15 minutes I was kinda otherwise occupied so wasnt really taken note of the exact time and like miss no stars has said yes it did all seem to happen in slow motion but when two grown men are lifting up a big dog and all i can see is my pup hanging from its jaw its seems like a very long time.

SunnyP

Mairt wrote: »

Tbh Paul I don't think she intended that. She didn't go off on one about Staffs like most people would in that situ.

But I do think there was a lot of exaggeration in saying the attacked last 15 minutes (including her BF needing stitches in trying to wrestle the Staff from the puppy).

I know my older lad could destroy a decent sized marrow bone in that time, I think if a Staff (or almost any dog) took hold of a puppy for 15 minutes the OP would have one dead puppy on her hands.

OP like I said earlier, I'd glad your puppy is relatively unharmed and is on the way to making a complete recovery.

When have I said that my bf needed stiches???? I believe I said he had the scratches to prove it.

I do agree my pup was very lucky in fact my vet couldnt believe she had survived especially with the damage done to her jaw. He has told me I was very lucky her face wasnt squashed.


Im also sure that if the owner of the staff had of thought the attack was minor and not very serious he wouldnt be so willing to pay €250 worth of vet bills and also write me an apology letter and ask me THREE times if I wanted his staff whom he adores and has had since a puppy to be put down.

Somehow I cant see any dog owner offering to have their dog put down if they too didnt believe the attack was serious

SunnyP

cowzerp wrote: »

actually probably after 1 min if it had intent, i wonder was it just pinning the pup down in a domineering manner. Not right but hardly savage behaviour.

Sorry for the multiple posts but I forgot to reply to this.

Pinning the pup down ??? the pup has punture wounds internal tearing and is missing a piece of its jaw bone!!!

Not savage behaviour, sorry but if any of my dogs caused that sort of damage to another dog I wouldnt be shy about calling it savage

Pyr0

SunnyP wrote: »

I dont think I could ever force someone to have their animal put down. The owner is question has seen what his dog can do and I honestly believe the fright has made him learn his lesson.

Chewy is doing really really well she is due in the vets on Wednesday to have her staples removed although somehow she has managed to remove one of them herself (we named her well I think).

This is her looking very sorry for herself

That is a lovely puppy you got there, I've got a brindle myself, 3 year old Jake . I just went "Awwwh" for the first time in ages

Edit : Forgot to add, hope she makes a full recovery soon !

arybvtcw0eolkf

Pyr0 wrote: »

hope she makes a full recovery soon !

If it was attacked in the manner described, or at all so do I.

I was trying to be nice about it, but OP judging from your photo the dog looks remarkable unscathed for a puppy who was attacked for 15 minutes by what some people would consider to be a particularly strong and aggressive (to other dogs) breed, the Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

BlackCat2008

I just looked at the picture with my zoom and it looks pretty nasty, poor thing, from what I've always seen with pavo grabbing on I think he gives him self a fright and figures if he lets go the collie will attack back or given his back round he'll be beaten, it seems to me that pavo really only puts the collie in his place, he doesn't go out of his way to multi bite or ripe him apart (which he could easily do) or attacked another dog just cats loves puppies turns into a big baby around them and loves to hug up with them just has enough of the collie and his annoying behaver every now and then like the rest of us I don't think I'll ever find him a home.

Was there fresh food around ie. left over dinner, that the other dog may have wanted it sounds as though something set him off but at the same time the dog may be great with people and not dogs and this is why he attacked.

As it wasn't a multi bite attack and he didn't repeat attack I'd say chewy is a very lucky girl.

Hope she gets better soon.