Are Irish companies racist

KINGVictor

I am seeking opinion on this forum,I have a friend from Africa who is very educated,he has an MBS from UCD,with lots of quals including

Microcoft certified technology specialist
PMI
Prince2 practitioner
and a host of others I cant recollect at the Mo,he has applied to virtually all the companies and agencies in Ireland but no responce at all,but he changes the name on his Cv to John Murphy with the exact same qualifications and experience and he recieves almost 5 different calls a day,is this just an exception .

aidan_walsh

Moved from IT Certification.

AARRRGH

KINGVictor wrote: »

I am seeking opinion on this forum,I have a friend from Africa who is very educated,he has an MBS from UCD,with lots of quals including

Microcoft certified technology specialist
PMI
Prince2 practitioner
and a host of others I cant recollect at the Mo,he has applied to virtually all the companies and agencies in Ireland but no responce at all,but he changes the name on his Cv to John Murphy with the exact same qualifications and experience and he recieves almost 5 different calls a day,is this just an exception .

A couple of issues jump into my mind -

1. Does he need a visa? This would explain the lack of responses to his job applications.
2. If he actually gets an interview, it could be more than the colour of his skin which is his problem - maybe he comes across badly in interviews.

I suspect the problem is #1 combined with #2. Lots of people are finding it hard to get work at the moment.

Now, I don't know if this is racism or not... but I know someone who interviewed three Nigerians this year and all three lied about their qualifications and experience. For example, when he rang their references it was clearly their mates on the line. As a result of this, he doesn't want to waste any more time on African applications.

Heisenberg.

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longlearie

I agree with the last poster about the issue of a visa ,if your friend has not got a visa then there is no way he could get an interview,irish companies are obligated by law to make sure all employees have a right to work in the state.

However I think AARRRGH was a bit funny given us examples of "three Nigerians" who lied to about their experiences and qualifications.he said it was clearly their mates on the line,I would like for educational purposes to tell us how his friend found this out by talking to them on the phone:rolleyes:.

The original poster said his friend sent out CVs and tehy would be no way they would know about his immigration status or whether he was good at interviews or whether he was faking his qalifications or experience before deciding not to respond to him.

AARRRGH sounds to me like someone who works for an agency and who has issues with some particular set of people.:mad:

AARRRGH

The Scientist wrote: »

Unfortunately, seeing Onlewaku bontuyabolos creates a perception in some Recruiters minds that this Application is from someone who has no English, no work permit and no experience.
Its unfair and racist but it happens, all the time.

Thinking they probably need a work permit is a valid concern. They may also not realise most Africans speak English (this is ignorant, but it's hardly racism.)

The OP's friend could be white or black - the point is he needs a work permit.

It is intellectually retarded to bring everything back to skin colour.

longlearie wrote: »

I think AARRRGH was a bit funny given us examples of "three Nigerians" who lied to about their experiences and qualifications.he said it was clearly their mates on the line,I would like for educational purposes to tell us how his friend found this out by talking to them on the phone:rolleyes:.

I remember my friend telling me although their experience was in Ireland (for IT companies), all his references were Africans who could not answer any of his questions.

longlearie wrote: »

The original poster said his friend sent out CVs and tehy would be no way they would know about his immigration status or whether he was good at interviews or whether he was faking his qalifications or experience before deciding not to respond to him.

99.9999999999999999% of Africans cannot legally work in the EU.

longlearie wrote: »

AARRRGH sounds to me like someone who works for an agency and who has issues with some particular set of people.:mad:

When white people complain they cannot get a job in Ireland, do you assume there is a race issue?

Try to see past the fact that the OP's friend is black. As stated above, the work permit issue is a big deal.

I take offence you are trying to imply I am racist. If anything, you are the one who seems to have an issue with skin colour.

longlearie

AARRRGH wrote: »

Thinking they probably need a work permit is a valid concern. They may also not realise most Africans speak English (this is ignorant, but it's hardly racism.)

The OP's friend could be white or black - the point is he needs a work permit.

It is intellectually retarded to bring everything back to skin colour.

While i agree with you it doesn,t all boil down to racism we cannot deny it does happen.


I remember my friend telling me although their experience was in Ireland (for IT companies), all his references were Africans who could not answer any of his questions.

Whose business is it who you decide to make your references,if ye go to the US to work and give them Irish references.I just think some particular people are prejudged even before any efforts are made to find out the facts


99.9999999999999999% of Africans cannot legally work in the EU.

Africans currently in their respective countries YES,but that is totally false about Africans in Ireland or say the Uk,a lot of them do have almost the same rights to stay here as other EU nationals,you do not know their personal circumstances.


When white people complain they cannot get a job in Ireland, do you assume there is a race issue?

Try to see past the fact that the OP's friend is black. As stated above, the work permit issue is a big deal.

I take offence you are trying to imply I am racist. If anything, you are the one who seems to have an issue with skin colour.

That is absolutely correct,we just want a situation where everyone is able to express their opinions

longlearie

While i agree with you it doesn,t all boil down to racism we cannot deny it does happen.

Whose business is it who you decide to make your references,if ye go to the US to work and give them Irish references,what big deal is that.I just think some particular people are prejudged even before any efforts are made to find out the facts

Africans currently in their respective countries YES,but that is totally false about Africans in Ireland or say the Uk,a lot of them do have almost the same rights to stay here as other EU nationals,you do not know their personal circumstances.

That is absolutely correct,we just want a situation where everyone is able to express their opinions

AARRRGH

longlearie wrote: »

While i agree with you it doesn,t all boil down to racism we cannot deny it does happen.

I agree.

longlearie wrote: »

Whose business is it who you decide to make your references,if ye go to the US to work and give them Irish references,what big deal is that.I just think some particular people are prejudged even before any efforts are made to find out the facts

No, the references were from Irish IT companies. They were fake references.

My point is a few bad apples is ruining it for a lot of people.

By the way I know there are dodgy Irish people too.

longlearie wrote: »

Africans currently in their respective countries YES,but that is totally false about Africans in Ireland or say the Uk,a lot of them do have almost the same rights to stay here as other EU nationals,you do not know their personal circumstances.

Most do need work permits though, and I think it is reasonable to assume that.

You have to realise most job adverts receive a lot of applications, and you have to use some filtering method on them. A common one is to scrap all the applications which *probably* require a work permit. This obviously isn't the most fair system, but that's the way the world works unfortunately.

Serafijn

Many larger companies will have offices abroad and require some travel. It is very difficult for some nationalities to get travel visas and this aspect can also put employers off taking non-EU citizens.

John Mason

I would consider my company to be extremly racist. this is an issue with our Union at the moment. You will not get a promotion in my company unless you are of african origin and do not have english as your first lanuage. This is because i work in an organisation which has to be seen as socially inclusive

topper75

OP, I do not think this is an issue of racism - rather xenophobia.

For example, the Johnny Murphy guy could be black or white. As could Phil Lynnott, Paul McGrath, or Kevin Sharkey etc.

eth0_

Nothing to do with racism. If Ireland was such a hotbed of racism, why are there so many black and asian people living here?

It is far more likely he isn't being considered because the company doesn't want the hassle of arranging a work permit for him.

Also, Irish companies are obliged to fill positions from the local/EU workforce before considering a non-national for the role.

Mr. Incognito

Where I work they seem to have no proble hiring Indian people who work on a much lower salary but get accomodation and visa and all that stuff sorted.

It's not about racism- it's about money.

If it's cheaper to hire African's including the work permit hassle get ready to have a multi-culturial workforce

AARRRGH

A Kenyan friend of mine experienced the opposite of racism when she was here - she got away with things her white colleagues were disciplined for.

Some organisations have a love affair with all things foreign (RTE for example) and some organisations want to keep things Irish.

The fact that this guy cannot get ANY interviews even though he has so much experience and qualifications makes me think there must be some more to this story - for example, is he applying for jobs which aren't considered eligible for green cards/work permits?