soccer jersey

hoganpoly

anyone educate me as to rationale behind kids not being allowed to don their soccer jerseys whilst playing gaelic football? Haven,t we moved on????????

spurious

Apparently not - where was that?

kaimera

what rationale?

care to tell where this happened?

hoganpoly

happened in the midlands i was quite taken aback that when my son turned up to play his match that the coach humiliated him in front of a lot of people and said we are not allowing anyone to turn up intending to play gaelic wearing a soccer jersey we are anti-soccer here his words were!

shiibata

:eek: when down at the u-12,u-10,u-8 training for my boys, most boys are wearing soccer jersies.

Grudaire

hoganpoly wrote: »

happened in the midlands i was quite taken aback that when my son turned up to play his match that the coach humiliated him in front of a lot of people and said we are not allowing anyone to turn up intending to play gaelic wearing a soccer jersey we are anti-soccer here his words were!

Ok I think this is a case of the PC brigade gone mad, if a manager wants a team focused on his sport do not be surprised.

This feels more like an protective parent (Don't get me wrong, you're not unduely so) who feels their son ahs been unfairly picked on. Now my experience of Managers in general is that they tend to do the whole slagging thing to everyone. I mean no offence here but I'm sure you've given more abuse to the poor referee...

reganovich

In fairness, used to always wear soccer jerseys training...think your sons coach is just a bit of a psycho to be honest

kaimera

Manager is a plank simple as.

mumhaabu

Why would one organisation imply support for another, fair play to the manager on this one, he gives his time effort and probably money to this the least the kids can do is support his code of sport. GAA is our national game and he was right to do it. How will the kids ever realise their talents if they look up to the likes of Wayne Rooney (bad influence) compared to sportsmen like Colm Cooper, Henry Sheflin and Brian Dooher, these are the men our kids should be trying emulate not some £100,000 a week pansy who goes down easier than the French Army, real men if you will.

spurious

The coach sounds like the sort of loon gives the GAA a bad name. Sadly there are still some of his sort about. I doubt it's an official policy.

I don't think the GAA have anything against 'pansies' or the French either, just some of their supporters do.

Grudaire

spurious wrote: »

I don't think the GAA have anything against 'pansies' or the French either, just some of their supporters do.

Listen it seems harsh, but the manager wants the players to be GAA, I mean look at this fom the other side. Surely he wants the players to watch the all-Ireland final rather then two teams of mercenaries playing another sport (wording it from his point of view of course:D)

I got slagged for playing handball (a GAA sport) by managers, I never thought it as unfair

dr.bollocko

Jaysus that is fair pathetic. I reckon words should be had to be honest. I can understand the desire to lean towards GAA, but to impose a rule like that is ridiculous. Never happened back in the day when I used to line out in my Man U shirt, some time between 1967 and 1992.

Grudaire

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Jaysus that is fair pathetic. I reckon words should be had to be honest. I can understand the desire to lean towards GAA, but to impose a rule like that is ridiculous. Never happened back in the day when I used to line out in my Man U shirt, some time between 1967 and 1992.

Easy solution to words being had is that they must wear club gear at training, which I've heard of...

thirdmantackle

maybe its club policy?

Galvasean

Pretty harsh to give out to the kid like that. A better solution would have been a quit word with the kid's parent and explain that he shouldn't do it in future.

smashey

What I want to know fromn the OP is this. Was your son the only one wearing a soccer jersey?

Waylander

mumhaabu wrote: »

Why would one organisation imply support for another, fair play to the manager on this one, he gives his time effort and probably money to this the least the kids can do is support his code of sport. GAA is our national game and he was right to do it. How will the kids ever realise their talents if they look up to the likes of Wayne Rooney (bad influence) compared to sportsmen like Colm Cooper, Henry Sheflin and Brian Dooher, these are the men our kids should be trying emulate not some £100,000 a week pansy who goes down easier than the French Army, real men if you will.

Grow up and cop on! Kids should be encouraged to play every sport available. Especially in this age of the playstation where it is difficult enough to get them out of the house. Just because a kid wears a soccer jersey does not mean he\she is not interesteed in GAA, in fact if he turns up to play GAA I think you can probably take it he\she is keen on GAA. This is ridiculous behaviour by the manager, and I would strongly consider moving my son to another club. I would not want a biggot like that manager being in a position to influence my child. What if he wore a Munster jersy? Would you have the same issues?

mobby

mumhaabu wrote: »

Why would one organisation imply support for another, fair play to the manager on this one, he gives his time effort and probably money to this the least the kids can do is support his code of sport. GAA is our national game and he was right to do it. How will the kids ever realise their talents if they look up to the likes of Wayne Rooney (bad influence) compared to sportsmen like Colm Cooper, Henry Sheflin and Brian Dooher, these are the men our kids should be trying emulate not some £100,000 a week pansy who goes down easier than the French Army, real men if you will.

Was their not a certain Kerry footballer who went down quite easily in a quarter final match this year. REAL MAN or what.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuU3EdJ1NQ&feature=related

premierstone

Waylander wrote: »

This is ridiculous behaviour by the manager, and I would strongly consider moving my son to another club.

You dont just switch clubs for christ sake that is the difference between GAA and other sports a bit of club loyalty and community spirit

hoganpoly

As a parent I feel that rules and regulations are vitally important in almost every aspect of a teens life and what better way for one to understand same than through the medium of sport, however my gut feeling is that to stipulate the non wearing of a soccer jersey may in fact create an air of rebellion amongst these kids as they have already aired some negative views on the topic.

Waylander

premierstone wrote: »

You dont just switch clubs for christ sake that is the difference between GAA and other sports a bit of club loyalty and community spirit

I am aware of that PS thanks, I have been around the GAA circuit for a couple of years now. But if the option is exposing my child to an ignorant biggot, or switching the club he is a member of, I know which option I will take everytime.

Thanks for the lecture though!

nhughes100

Report him to your club committee + Chairman and to the county board. Senior GAA county players do this all the time in training. You could also ask the chairman what is the club's official policy/view on non GAA games. I bet if he got a free ticket for Ireland and Cyrprus in headquarters next week he'd be up fast enough. It's a typical old school GAA attitude, stick your head in the sand and try and brainwash people, funny though even though soccer and rugby are more popular then ever so is GAA. In any case the biggest threat to GAA is the AFL and they have a formal relationship with them and even play them in an international series!!

Trained Monkey

Did this happen in Laois by any chance??

keane2097

mumhaabu wrote: »

Why would one organisation imply support for another, fair play to the manager on this one, he gives his time effort and probably money to this the least the kids can do is support his code of sport. GAA is our national game and he was right to do it. How will the kids ever realise their talents if they look up to the likes of Wayne Rooney (bad influence) compared to sportsmen like Colm Cooper, Henry Sheflin and Brian Dooher, these are the men our kids should be trying emulate not some £100,000 a week pansy who goes down easier than the French Army, real men if you will.

I don't even know where to start with the nonsense in this post, so I suppose I'll go through bit by bit

mumhaabu wrote: »

Why would one organisation imply support for another...

Like by one organization letting the other use it's stadium when they have need of it?

fair play to the manager on this one, he gives his time effort and probably money to this the least the kids can do is support his code of sport.

By means other than actually turning up every week and playing the fcucking thing is it!? And what do you think he's spending money on to coach an underage football team!? Sports psychologists!?

GAA is our national game and he was right to do it.

These two statements do not follow on logically from one another. Nor does the factual first prove the idiotic second imo.

How will the kids ever realise their talents if they look up to the likes of Wayne Rooney (bad influence) compared to sportsmen like Colm Cooper, Henry Sheflin and Brian Dooher...

What the fcuk are you on about here!? The kids are playing fcuking football, not soccer! What makes you think they have Wayne Rooney on the brain!? And anyway, what's your problem with Rooney? He's a gifted, passionate, extremely hard-working and unselfish player - a good role-model for any sports person in my opinion.

these are the men our kids should be trying emulate not some £100,000 a week pansy who goes down easier than the French Army, real men if you will.

Again, you're talking utter ****. Everybody knows Dooher is a diver. So is Gooch. What about the likes of Aidan O'Mahony, Piaras O'Niall, Graeme Geraghty etc? Real men? Divers, spitters and fellas who love throwing dirty punches when nobody's looking. I hope you don't have kids.

Grudaire

Keane if someone uses language like that while ranting about children should be allowed wear... well lets just say I wouldn't want my (imaginary) children following your example

Like by one organization letting the other use it's stadium when they have need of it?

Who said I'm in favor of it?

By means other than actually turning up every week and playing the fcucking thing is it!? And what do you think he's spending money on to coach an underage football team!? Sports psychologists!?

Hows about petrol? (quite expensive given the economic climate)

These two statements do not follow on logically from one another. Nor does the factual first prove the idiotic second imo.

Meh

What the fcuk are you on about here!? The kids are playing fcuking football, not soccer! What makes you think they have Wayne Rooney on the brain!?

They're wearing soccer jerseys- keep up

And anyway, what's your problem with Rooney? He's a gifted, passionate, extremely hard-working and unselfish player - a good role-model for any sports person in my opinion.

Haven't paid enough attention to him to know...

Again, you're talking utter ****. Everybody knows Dooher is a diver. So is Gooch. What about the likes of Aidan O'Mahony, Piaras O'Niall, Graeme Geraghty etc? Real men? Divers, spitters and fellas who love throwing dirty punches when nobody's looking.

exceptions can be got from every rule (I'm sure there's a few tough soccer players for instance)

I hope you don't have kids.

And this is where I must question your procreational intentions

Waylander

Cliste wrote: »

They're wearing soccer jerseys- keep up

Yes but they are there to play GAA. There is room for more than 1 sport and in fact if they enjoy one sport they are likely to enjoy most sports. It is for the childs own benefit that he is not exposed to this kind of muppetry. I went to a school that was very good at basketball, and in first year my coach told me if I wanted to continue playing I had to give up all other sport. I gave up basketbnall and it was the correct move.

keane2097

Cliste wrote: »

Keane if someone uses language like that while ranting about children should be allowed wear... well lets just say I wouldn't want my (imaginary) children following your example

That's grand boss - why don't you set an example for your own kids instead of expecting athletes or people you meet on the internet to!?

Cliste wrote: »

Who said I'm in favor of it?

Nobody even mentioned you... Besides, who cares what you're in favor of? The issue is the double standard within the GAA - on the one hand allowing the FAI play their games in Croke Park essentially whenever they want or need, then having a member deriding a feckin child for wearing a soccer jersey while playing GAA as if that is more of a promotion of soccer that what Central Council is doing by allowing soccer in Croke park.

What you may or may not personally be in favor of has absolutely no bearing on the issue I'm afraid...

Cliste wrote: »

Hows about petrol? (quite expensive given the economic climate)

The rising price of petrol is not a mandate to verbally abuse children in my opinion. You may disagree.

Cliste wrote: »

Meh

Solid argument, I take my original statement back.

Cliste wrote: »

They're wearing soccer jerseys- keep up

They're playing football - keep up.

Cliste wrote: »

Haven't paid enough attention to him to know..

So you're agreeing with a point of view even though you are admittedly ill-informed about it either way. What's the opposite of ignorant?

Cliste wrote: »

exceptions can be got from every rule (I'm sure there's a few tough soccer players for instance)

Agreed. The statement that kids should look up to footballers rather than soccer players is therefore self-evidently rediculous in my opinion.

Grudaire

keane2097 wrote: »

That's grand boss - why don't you set an example for your own kids instead of expecting athletes or people you meet on the internet to!?

but I don't have kids....

keane2097 wrote: »

Nobody even mentioned you... Besides, who cares what you're in favor of? The issue is the double standard within the GAA - on the one hand allowing the FAI play their games in Croke Park essentially whenever they want or need, then having a member deriding a feckin child for wearing a soccer jersey while playing GAA as if that is more of a promotion of soccer that what Central Council is doing by allowing soccer in Croke park.

This is a non-issue. Firstly it's not the GAA we're discussing, secondly I'm not in favour why am I going to defend this policy, thirdly its not whenever they want (GAA has priority)

This is drifting well away from the topic tbh

actually please don't put words in my mouth sir:

The rising price of petrol is not a mandate to verbally abuse children in my opinion. You may disagree.

Where did I say that?

The point is that imho that managers are fully within their right to introduce a rule banning soccar jerseys from training (not that that happened, he just slagged the kid from what I can see). I deal with a similar arguement in the gaeltacht where by kids want to listen to english music, the rule of course prohibits it. Why, because learning occurs quicker in an immersion environment (I can only assume a similar thing occurs)

smashey

Woah there everybody, back up a bit. Let's not turn this into a GAA v Soccer thread or it will be locked.

keane2097

Cliste wrote: »

but I don't have kids....

This is a non-issue. Firstly it's not the GAA we're discussing, secondly I'm not in favour why am I going to defend this policy, thirdly its not whenever they want (GAA has priority)

This is drifting well away from the topic tbh

actually please don't put words in my mouth sir:

Where did I say that?

So do you actually agree with any of this post?

mumhaabu wrote: »

Why would one organisation imply support for another, fair play to the manager on this one, he gives his time effort and probably money to this the least the kids can do is support his code of sport. GAA is our national game and he was right to do it. How will the kids ever realise their talents if they look up to the likes of Wayne Rooney (bad influence) compared to sportsmen like Colm Cooper, Henry Sheflin and Brian Dooher, these are the men our kids should be trying emulate not some £100,000 a week pansy who goes down easier than the French Army, real men if you will.

Because you're arguing against points that I made about that post, and then saying you don't agree with the original statement anyway!

Are you just picking fights for the sake of it!?

keane2097

smashey wrote: »

Woah there everybody, back up a bit. Let's not turn this into a GAA v Soccer thread or it will be locked.

Sorry, I definitely am not trying to do that - I like football an awful lot more than I like soccer...

Grudaire

keane2097 wrote: »

Sorry, I definitely am not trying to do that - I like football an awful lot more than I like soccer...

Aye(Handball comes first of course!;))


To clarify my position:

Why would one organisation imply support for another,

Why would the GAA want it's sons playing another sport (and to point out I also disagreed with the allowance of foreign sports in)

fair play to the manager on this one, he gives his time effort and probably money to this the least the kids can do is support his code of sport.

My slant on this is that the manager is very dedicated, why can he not demand the same from his players?

GAA is our national game and he was right to do it. How will the kids ever realise their talents if they look up to the likes of Wayne Rooney (bad influence) compared to sportsmen like Colm Cooper, Henry Sheflin and Brian Dooher, these are the men our kids should be trying emulate not some £100,000 a week pansy who goes down easier than the French Army, real men if you will.

In this case the arguement has been brought onto unessecary territory by bringing up the GAA v Soccar debate, not that I disagree with above sentiments I'd just substitute in more players I like instead!

Yavvy

please dont feed the trolls

FatherTed

I think people like this GAA coach are insecure and lash out at he perceives to be a threat to him.

Strange that we don't hear of GAA jerseys being banned at soccer matches?

Xavi6

Cliste wrote: »

Why would the GAA want it's sons playing another sport (and to point out I also disagreed with the allowance of foreign sports in)

And this is why the GAA and it's sports are still viewed as backwards by many.

Coming from a soccer background, myself and the other lads on my team were always encouraged to try our hand at every sport. Personally I played club soccer, schools GAA, schools basketball and national tennis. Indeed, many of my soccer teammates played GAA on a Saturday morning and then with us on a Sunday. By your statement above you would prefer children to be confined to GAA and GAA only?

My slant on this is that the manager is very dedicated, why can he not demand the same from his players?

Ah here, we're talking about young kids, not lads in their 20s.

Discipline at that level should be very loose in order to keep kids interested. There's no way I'd be interested in staying at a team where the coach gave me a public bollocking over my choice of training top.

Grudaire

Strange that we don't hear of GAA jerseys being banned at soccer matches?

I'm sure it's frowned upon in Rangers...

Xavi6 wrote: »

And this is why the GAA and it's sports are still viewed as backwards by many....
By your statement above you would prefer children to be confined to GAA and GAA only?

I'm not trying to say that people should choose one sport, it would drive me insane personnally. However if this kid was on a serious team you bet the manager would want him to be GAA only, it happens in every sporting organisation...

Xavi6 wrote: »

Ah here, we're talking about young kids, not lads in their 20s.

Discipline at that level should be very loose in order to keep kids interested. There's no way I'd be interested in staying at a team where the coach gave me a public bollocking over my choice of training top.

Firstly we don't know what age these kids are. After we got gear for the féile we were told that we'd have to train in that gear...
The childrens interest in the sport is a different slant, it really depends on what exactly the manager did.

Waylander

Cliste wrote: »

I'm sure it's frowned upon in Rangers...



.

Well there is something to aspire to!

Cliste you are being a bit daft here, we are talking about a young child who turned out to play GAA. As he turned out to play this sport I do not hink you can really question his commitment to it. His manager is an ignorant biggot and there is not really much else that can be said about it. No kids team should be that serious, they are meant to enjoy the game for the game at that age.

cruiserweight

Xavi6 wrote: »

And this is why the GAA and it's sports are still viewed as backwards by many.

Coming from a soccer background, myself and the other lads on my team were always encouraged to try our hand at every sport. Personally I played club soccer, schools GAA, schools basketball and national tennis. Indeed, many of my soccer teammates played GAA on a Saturday morning and then with us on a Sunday. By your statement above you would prefer children to be confined to GAA and GAA only?



Ah here, we're talking about young kids, not lads in their 20s.

Discipline at that level should be very loose in order to keep kids interested. There's no way I'd be interested in staying at a team where the coach gave me a public bollocking over my choice of training top.

Waylander wrote: »

Cliste you are being a bit daft here, we are talking about a young child who turned out to play GAA. As he turned out to play this sport I do not hink you can really question his commitment to it. His manager is an ignorant biggot and there is not really much else that can be said about it. No kids team should be that serious, they are meant to enjoy the game for the game at that age.

Totally agree the manager has a totally backwards attitude. From my experiences he is defenitely the exception rather than the rule. I mainly played GAA when younger, but played other sports as well and it was never a problem. At a young age I remember getting in trouble for swearing in training and that was about it, the attitude to swearing changed when we got a bit older

Fatswaldo

To further the debate - I coach youngsters at both hurling and soccer (shock and horror!! to some here) I played BOTH at county youth/minor level as did and still do several lads. In most country places in particular, the players are the same, just the season changes. Our u-10 soccer team once ran out in the local hurling teams geansais due to an unfortunate accident with the soccer teams kit!

In some areas there might be a divide, as their once was everywhere, but in my part of the country that no longer really exists. I agree that if a player displays a particularly good talent in any sport he is probably better to focus on that sport, but for most lads (and lasses) getting them to abandon the playstation, xbox, wii or whatever and bringing them to any sports field or hall as often as possible has to be the goal.

To berate a poor young lad for wearing a soccer jersey is pathetic. I hope the young lad (or coach) wasnt wearing puma 'soccer' boots or addidas 'soccer' shorts either. Nothing but O'Neills and blackthorn boots in that club!!!

gucci

As far as im aware , wearing of shorts etc with say Man Utd etc are banned, I assume its probably a foreign sport thing. Well we were always told the club could get fined for fellas wearing celtic shorts when we had green and white kit. But this is very rarely picked up on by referees and co board officials, only on big championship days.
Basically I think the manager went a bit OTT if he "humiliated" a young lad for wearing a shirt of a soccer team, it happens lots of places, he should be glad that he is getting the lads out to train! Obviously could deal with the jersey thing a hell of alot differently if he just encouraged them to wear their county jersey etc

RichTea

When I went up to one of the much-loved Summer Camps about 9 years ago now the group coach made you do 2 laps if you wore a soccer jersey.

He was also a cnut and was sacked half way through for bullying the kids.

bruschi

I love it how people tar a whole organisation of hundreds of thousands over the stupid actions of one person.

I coach underage football and hurling, and I wouldmore often than not be wearing a soccer jersey. Its a piece of clothing, it means nothing. the people who make it an issue are fools.

and it isnt illegal to wear 'foreign sports' gear such as shorts or socks, its against the rules to wear colours other than whats stipulated on your club team. So if your club wears white shorts with a green trim, you can wear shorts that are that colour, even if they are celtic, or panathanikos or sporting lisbon or whatever, as long as they are white with a green trim.

there are idiots in every sporting organisation. it doesnt mean every sporting organisation is full of idiots.

taidghbaby

i would imagine that this coach is in a minority....and in te politest way i can put it: i dont agree with him!

seanflynn

thats terrible why do they do that is it the same the other way round

gucci

bruschi wrote: »

and it isnt illegal to wear 'foreign sports' gear such as shorts or socks, its against the rules to wear colours other than whats stipulated on your club team. So if your club wears white shorts with a green trim, you can wear shorts that are that colour, even if they are celtic, or panathanikos or sporting lisbon or whatever, as long as they are white with a green trim.
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fair enough, thanks for clarifying that.

Grudaire

Firstly I am coming to the opinion that the manager was wrong, however I still think it is fair to impose a rule of that sort.

bruschi wrote: »

and it isnt illegal to wear 'foreign sports' gear such as shorts or socks, its against the rules to wear colours other than whats stipulated on your club team. So if your club wears white shorts with a green trim, you can wear shorts that are that colour, even if they are celtic, or panathanikos or sporting lisbon or whatever, as long as they are white with a green trim.

Well...

GAA Rules wrote:

Playing Gear and Equipment 13
(g) A brand name(s), distinctive marks of logo or other
advertising material shall not be displayed on boots,
gloves, hurleys, kicking tees, hand-guards, sweatbands,
undergarments, headbands or helmets or on any
other item of playing equipment or accessories worn
or displayed during official matches or in pre-match or
post-match television or video interviews or
photographs, other than the manufacturer’s or
supplier’s brand name(s), distinctive marks or logo.

excerpt from the gaa official guide 2008 part1:
http://www.gaa.ie/page/official_guides.html

I can only assume that that means its ok for training, but when it comes to matches don't turn up with celtic, or panathanikos or sporting lisbon shorts..

evil-monkey

Cliste wrote: »

Easy solution to words being had is that they must wear club gear at training, which I've heard of...

i do this with my lads. train an underage team. got em all tracksuits, hoodies, club shirts, the whole rig out. i just think it looks better if they where their club gear when representing their club (on the playing or the training field)

of course, if a lad turned up in a soccer jersey i wouldn't give him abuse over it. i encourage wearing the club gear, the key word being encourage. that's training of course. for a match, they show up with the proper gear of the club they represent or they aren't even getting togged out.

i can see where both the coach, and the OP are coming from on this one.

bruschi

Cliste wrote: »

Firstly I am coming to the opinion that the manager was wrong, however I still think it is fair to impose a rule of that sort.



Well...

excerpt from the gaa official guide 2008 part1:
http://www.gaa.ie/page/official_guides.html

I can only assume that that means its ok for training, but when it comes to matches don't turn up with celtic, or panathanikos or sporting lisbon shorts..

they arent advertising. Look at the rule again. The rule was specifically brought in after the paddy power on the hurls incident and then the Corona advertising.

Fatswaldo

The GAA policy on 'foreign' playing gear has been in force for years. Usually only enforced when county teams break it. There have been issues with Cork and Kerry county teams in the past (70s & 80s) for wearing adidas gear. When I played in the UK they were really strict about it.

Rule 13 states:

(a) All jerseys, shorts, stocking, tracksuits and kitbags worn and/or used for official matches, in pre-match or post-match television or video interviews and photographs shall be of Irish manufacture. This requirement shall also apply to replica playing gear.

Everyone will have a different point of view on this but so long as you can get the young lads to the park your'e winning:)

bruschi

Fatswaldo wrote: »

The GAA policy on 'foreign' playing gear has been in force for years. Usually only enforced when county teams break it. There have been issues with Cork and Kerry county teams in the past (70s & 80s) for wearing adidas gear. When I played in the UK they were really strict about it.

Rule 13 states:

(a) All jerseys, shorts, stocking, tracksuits and kitbags worn and/or used for official matches, in pre-match or post-match television or video interviews and photographs shall be of Irish manufacture. This requirement shall also apply to replica playing gear.

Everyone will have a different point of view on this but so long as you can get the young lads to the park your'e winning:)

Yeah you're right with that. Good counsel college in Wexford were threatened with being thrown out of the colleges championships a few years ago because the jerseys they wore were made by Hummel.

Clareman

I don't think I've to give a reason