Is UPC going to change encryption?

Ranicand

The old Pace boxes are being replaced.

Does this mean UPC are going to change the encryption system in use?

Will this put all the illegal boxes out of action?

Changing the codes on the current system is useless as the new codes are posted on the net and some boxes just update themselfs.

I pay for the full package and I will be happy if the spongers are knocked off but can anybody confirm this is the case?

aidan_walsh

Will this put all the illegal boxes out of action?

Wouldn't that be the idea?

I pay for the full package

Which does not include the use of an unauthorised box.

celticfc

AFAIK they are changing to Nagravision 2

(Open to correction)

mediacentre.ie

correct the new cards are rom 110. which is a new type of nagra2

MisterAnarchy

They are taking their time switching the encryption,they were initially planning to have switched by Mar 08,they are already 7 months behind.
UPC are still issuing the standard Sagem MMDS boxes for new Chorus MMDS subscribers .
I presume UPC will switch the cable market over first,thats the majority of their subscribers .
The fact that they are still using Nagra 1 is ridiculous,its a dinosaur and has been obsolete in mainland Europe for years.
They are using Nagra 3 in some countries and have been for a few years.

watty

ex-NTL MMDS uses cable format and ex-Chorus MMDS uses DTT format.

byte

Nagra 2? Surely hardly worth their while, considering Nagra 3 is out a long while now, with many satellite operators switching to Nagra3 from dodgy Nagra2.

Solair

Unsurprisingly, cable companies tend to not give out very much details about what their encryption plans are.

The Chorus MMDS system is basically a digital terrestrial television system, similar to freeview in the UK, only encrypted and broadcast at microwave rather than UHF frequencies. It's likely to be treated as a totally different platform for the next while, hence they will continue handing out those boxes and may even roll out a DVR version at some stage.

The Chorus MMDS platform isn't the primary focus of their encryption problems. The problems are on cable where people have access to the signals via their analogue connection anyway.

There's nothing to stop them rolling out Nagra2 on those Sagem boxes either, I'm sure they can support various encryption options if needed.

As for whether they're using Nagra2 or 3, no one really knows other than their security department.

I suspect they'll use whatever works on their other networks and will become much more proactive about keeping things locked down in future.

Switching encryption systems is a big enough ordeal as it means swapping out boxes. That's just going to take some time. I suspect that they've underestimated the time it would take to do.

There were a LOT of ex NTL and Chorus digital boxes in use on the various cable networks before UPC took over.

rubadub

byte wrote: »

Nagra 2? Surely hardly worth their while, considering Nagra 3 is out a long while now, with many satellite operators switching to Nagra3 from dodgy Nagra2.

On the other hand it could be well in their interest to maintain an easily hackable system. When somebody susbcribes to sky movies via UPC I imagine the main money goes to Sky. Since people need to have a basic subscription to UPC to work a dodgy box then UPC are still getting money.

If people already subscribed and cancelled a movies package when they got a dodgy box, then I wonder how much UPC really lose out on? i.e. it is probably Sky who lose out on more money.

Many will have cancelled their sky subscriptions and moved to UPC to get a basic price but a dodgy box with all channels. So sky could be losing out big time, losing their own subs, and losing the potentinal UPC subs.

An analogy would be a music company setting up a mp3 download system in HMV and asking them to monitor the amount of downloads and to be paid a % of the profits. So HMV just turn a blind eye to people coming in and downloading stuff, but just insist that they must by 1 cd before being let near the mp3 download system. The music company has no real tangible stuff to count, they just have to take HMVs word that they are not letting people nick the mp3s. HMV might lose out on some money from the mp3s but are selling loads more cds in process.

They can change to N2 just to appear they are doing something, since I am sure sky are not impressed with the situation.

flogen

rubadub wrote: »

On the other hand it could be well in their interest to maintain an easily hackable system. When somebody susbcribes to sky movies via UPC I imagine the main money goes to Sky. Since people need to have a basic subscription to UPC to work a dodgy box then UPC are still getting money.

If people already subscribed and cancelled a movies package when they got a dodgy box, then I wonder how much UPC really lose out on? i.e. it is probably Sky who lose out on more money.

Many will have cancelled their sky subscriptions and moved to UPC to get a basic price but a dodgy box with all channels. So sky could be losing out big time, losing their own subs, and losing the potentinal UPC subs.

An analogy would be a music company setting up a mp3 download system in HMV and asking them to monitor the amount of downloads and to be paid a % of the profits. So HMV just turn a blind eye to people coming in and downloading stuff, but just insist that they must by 1 cd before being let near the mp3 download system. The music company has no real tangible stuff to count, they just have to take HMVs word that they are not letting people nick the mp3s. HMV might lose out on some money from the mp3s but are selling loads more cds in process.

They can change to N2 just to appear they are doing something, since I am sure sky are not impressed with the situation.

I'm sure UPC make a few quid from premium subscriptions, although it's probably not as much as Sky.

I doubt the company are in anyway happy with the piracy situation, mind you, as it means people can pay the bare minimum (€20 a month, or whatever it is) and get all the additional digital channels (excluding Sky) that they'd have to pay an extra €10 for.

Guy:Incognito

rubadub wrote: »

On the other hand it could be well in their interest to maintain an easily hackable system. When somebody susbcribes to sky movies via UPC I imagine the main money goes to Sky. Since people need to have a basic subscription to UPC to work a dodgy box then UPC are still getting money.
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They only need to have a basic analogue connection to have the dodgy box. It's not going to happen but say of everyone of their customers got a dodgy box, then there is no need for any of them to have any digital package from NTL at all. So unless NTl make €0 off their own digital system then they are loosing out by the availability of the boxes.

rubadub

flogen wrote: »

I doubt the company are in anyway happy with the piracy situation, mind you, as it means people can pay the bare minimum (€20 a month, or whatever it is) and get all the additional digital channels (excluding Sky) that they'd have to pay an extra €10 for.

Well I cannot see Sky being happy for any reason. But UPC can in effect offer customers a great deal at a low price, so potentially get lots of customers, just like the HMV analogy I gave. They could well be very happy, it would be interesting to see the real figures behind it all.

Stekelly wrote: »

They only need to have a basic analogue connection to have the dodgy box. It's not going to happen but say of everyone of their customers got a dodgy box, then there is no need for any of them to have any digital package from NTL at all. So unless NTl make €0 off their own digital system then they are loosing out by the availability of the boxes.

Even if making €0 they are potentially gaining a massive amount of Sky customers, which could offset any losses from cancelled subs, of which they do not get the full amount on anyway.

When the illegal boxes are knocked out it will be interesting to see what happens. If sky are smart they will have good introductory offers and win back their lost customers, and probably get a host of new ones. Even if people got the exact same package at the same price I could imagine many would change over to sky, just out of spite since they will feel hard done by when their box is rendered useless by UPC, even though they were stealing in the first place.

d8player

Has anyone ever heard of anyone with a dodgy box being punished/prosecuted for using them? I know there are fines etc but I have yet to hear of UPC or the gardai pursuing anyone. Like many other things in this country (speeding, drink driving etc) its only fear of getting caught that would stop a lot of people as opposed to it being a wrong thing to do.

paulm17781

d8player wrote: »

Has anyone ever heard of anyone with a dodgy box being punished/prosecuted for using them? I know there are fines etc but I have yet to hear of UPC or the gardai pursuing anyone. Like many other things in this country (speeding, drink driving etc) its only fear of getting caught that would stop a lot of people as opposed to it being a wrong thing to do.

I heard about a supplier getting done, I don't remember the details, it was in a sticky here. I've not heard of an individual getting done for having a box in their homes but they are hard to track.

barnicles

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/member.php?u=176021

ROC1977

I don't think it really matters what UPC do. The hackers will manage to get past it in no time. The only encryption that can't be broke is Videoguard which sky own. Thats why sky is so expensive to pay for Videoguard to be ahead of the game. (I think?!?)

No harm the best way to get the hacked boxes is from Chorus/Upc. Normally its the guys that install the cable are pushing the illegal boxes. Ironic...(bitting the hand that feeds you, to say the least. lol)

Dublin518317

This is for everyone that has the crap box for free. Yes its going off and its not Nagra 2 or 3. It will go off and people dont start telling me it wont. Lets just say trust me

rubadub

Dublin518317 wrote: »

This is for everyone that has the crap box for free. Yes its going off and its not Nagra 2 or 3. It will go off and people dont start telling me it wont. Lets just say trust me

A mate in work was already offered a new hacked box by an engineer, he wanted €250 and specifically said/claimed it would work after the new encryption change, whatever it is.

You said you work for them in another thread, so why are they already broadcasting nagra 2? is that not taking up signal unnecessarily?

Also people did not get their "crap box for free", many paid and will be well pissed off it is turned off, is there any internal worry about this? Also what do you think of my previous posts saying it could well be in UPCs interest to have a hackable system. esp. now so many boxes are out there, and like I say, if you make the boxes useless there will possibly be a lot turning to sky out of spite.

Nagra 2 is already in use by UPC working alongside nagra1 untill they replace all there old boxs and smartcards.


Ive heard that they have a new revision of nagra 2 smartcards which currently is not hacked but that may be simply cause nobody has gotten there hands on one yet.

Jumpy

rubadub wrote: »

A mate in work was already offered a new hacked box by an engineer, he wanted €250 and specifically said/claimed it would work after the new encryption change, whatever it is.

You said you work for them in another thread, so why are they already broadcasting nagra 2? is that not taking up signal unnecessarily?

Also people did not get their "crap box for free", many paid and will be well pissed off it is turned off, is there any internal worry about this? Also what do you think of my previous posts saying it could well be in UPCs interest to have a hackable system. esp. now so many boxes are out there, and like I say, if you make the boxes useless there will possibly be a lot turning to sky out of spite.

If I remember the other thread he said he works for sky.

rubadub

Jumpy wrote: »

If I remember the other thread he said he works for sky.

Only has a few posts, and says he works for both UPC & sky. Either possibly some sort of a contractor or a spoofer.

Lets just say trust me

I don't trust anybody on this topic TBH. I have heard so many stories from people whos dogs mate knows a dog pisses on the gate of a UPC engineer etc.

I can't see why they would tell some third party installer their encryption info, when it is well known that UPC staff/engineers themselves and ex-employees & third party lads are the ones installing a lot of these dodgy boxes.

The lad in work said he saw the new hacked box, supposed to handle the new encryption, it was a small silver pace box with purple card (allegedly)

lol prob a xxxx haha



xxx boxes will be most likely to handle newer encryption as anyone who figures it out can implement it.

byte

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