Debate Watch

banquo

Anyone else think that Palin seems *terrified* during her first answer?

K-9

Yeah, but she has improved.

Stop saying MAVERICK though!

Macha

and stop saying "darned"

"I may not answer the question the way the moderator wants to hear" - as in I'm going to talk in circles and roundabouts. pff...

Tom65

Biden (so far) is doing well. He's attacking her statistics and McCain, rather than her. He needs to make her looks amateurish, rather than foolish, and the best way to do that is attacking her statistics.

Palin also needs to stop looking into the camera. She might be trying a "I'm talking to you, America", but it doesn't work. It's a debate, not a lecture.

Rowley Birkin QC

Chat going on about it here in the bar...... http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=57455088#post57455088

BlitzKrieg

*Is the backwards way of dealing with the economy*

K-9

Biden should bring up the the regulation again. Sounded like avoidance!

BlitzKrieg

OUCH LOWBLOW!

whatawaster

The Ultimate Bridge to Nowhere!

cooker3

You know he was dieing to include that line somewhere. It didn't really make sense but he just had to say it

BenjAii

To be fair, and i'm no Republican supporter, she's doing OK so far ...

whatawaster

BenjAii wrote: »

To be fair, and i'm no Republican supporter, she's doing OK so far ...

she isn't answering questions. She's giving one line and then falling back on learnt lines

amacachi

I am a Republican supporter and she's made a few errors that I've noticed already, hopefully there are a good number of drunk voters in swing states watching tonight, she's looking well

song for nico

nah she's completely flaking, biden is in total control.

BlitzKrieg

amacachi wrote: »

I am a Republican supporter and she's made a few errors that I've noticed already, hopefully there are a good number of drunk voters in swing states watching tonight, she's looking well

jfk syndrome for men?

banquo

The men really didn't like the 'Ive been at this for 5 weeks' comment.

Hope Biden slams her before the end. He really should just let her speak. It's remarkable how empty her answers are, sentences with 5 tenses anyone?

song for nico

her voice is so ****ing transparent.

K-9

whatawaster wrote: »

she isn't answering questions. She's giving one line and then falling back on learnt lines

I thought she was doing ok, but noticed this more and more.

Nobody cares about Alaska!

banquo

I just can't get over how empty her answers are.

Macha

"clean green natural gas" - oxymoron, spoken by a true moron.

amacachi

taconnol wrote: »

"clean green natural gas" - oxymoron, spoken by a true moron.

Nicely put.

BenjAii

I'm not on her side, but lets be fair here, this is no trainwreck ..

She's doing fine ...

Macha

BenjAii wrote: »

I'm not on her side, but lets be fair here, this is no trainwreck ..

She's doing fine ...

Err..are we watching the same debate? OK she isn't stuttering and stumbling like in the Couric interviews but it's like she's playing a piece of music on the piano, is hitting the wrong notes but just keeps going. She's keeping her momentum going but that's about it.

Biden is much more natural and she varies between sounding totally rehearsed and doing her "joe 6 pack american" spiel.

K-9

BenjAii wrote: »

I'm not on her side, but lets be fair here, this is no trainwreck ..

She's doing fine ...

Agreed, she's increasingly sounding scripted and referring to notes?

No major gaffes, but not confidence inspiring either!

amacachi

Maybe I'm biased, but it seems to me that the order of the answers seems to be suiting Biden better.

Have to say, I quite like what I'm seeing from Biden though.

whatawaster

amacachi wrote: »

Maybe I'm biased, but it seems to me that the order of the answers seems to be suiting Biden better.

Have to say, I quite like what I'm seeing from Biden though.

the great thing about a coin toss is that it's rarely biased.

BenjAii

I think she might even be getting the better of him.

It doesn't matter that technically he is giving the better answers, she is communicating better to "middle america" types.

Given how dopey she seemed in the Couric interviews, she has trumped her critics.

BTW, just for the record, i'm no fan, she is scary "man walked with dinosaurs 4,000 years ago" woman.

BlitzKrieg

did she slip in a *I'm a woman* comment there with the women's right mention just there.

whatawaster

I'm genuinely stunned at how even the CNN tracker thingy is. I can only imagine the idiots they are using

amacachi

whatawaster wrote: »

the great thing about a coin toss is that it's rarely biased.

Aye, the moderator is having fun flipping that coin between each answer. Did I say it was biased?

She does seem to be getting a bit more confident as it goes on though.

K-9

BenjAii wrote: »

I think she might even be getting the better of him.

It doesn't matter that technically he is giving the better answers, she is communicating better to "middle america" types.

Given how dopey she seemed in the Couric interviews, she has trumped her critics.

BTW, just for the record, i'm no fan, she is scary "man walked with dinosaurs 4,000 years ago" woman.

Nah, your biased! :pac:

She'll assuage the Republicans, not the Independents!

BenjAii

Hmmm, I keep listening to Biden and thinking I could do a better job, he's all waffly and technical.

She is doing a better job of communicating, even if she isn't "right". Though at last he seems to be hitting home a bit, saying where are they different from George Bush.

K-9

BenjAii wrote: »

Hmmm, I keep listening to Biden and thinking I could do a better job, he's all waffly and technical.

She is doing a better job of communicating, even if she isn't "right". Though at last he seems to be hitting home a bit, saying where are they different from George Bush.

AH, Exactly, that's where he needs to win. Foreign Policy!

Overheal

NU-CLE-AR

bitch.

Ruskie4Rent

BenjAii wrote: »

She is doing a better job of communicating, even if she isn't "right". .

Ye, who needs "facts" to win debates?

As long as BIden keeps beating the 'we were right, you were wrong' drum, i think its a job well done IMO.

Esel

It's still uncelar who will be President, but it's celar that mugging the camera is a risky strategy.

amacachi

Both seem very respectful to each other, good to see.

CtrlSource

Very impressive win on points by Biden. Unlike his opponent, he actually answered the questions! Attacked McCain policies, record. Attacked Bush. Made a stinging remark about Cheney being one of the most dangerous VPs in American history. He was assured, gracious to his opponent and came across as quite passionate. Didn't expect such a strong performance for him. i actually think he performed better than Obama did in last weeks debate. He came across as authentic, whereas her folksy 'charm' and shout out to a 3rd Grade class didn't seem sincere.

Palin was wafer thin. Did not answer many of the questions posed and waffled through pre-prepared talking points. Her ability to "connect with the folks" on their level might have gone down well with voters who are basically thick, but anyone with a thinking brain shouldn't have bought it! No major gaffes though, so she she did no harm to herself. Obviously, the tutoring she received in the last few days ironed her presentational kinks and i don't see any more Couric style interview disasters from this point on.

i didn't see much evidence of how she helped McCain's chances though. Sure, she neutralised some of her negatives, but she's still totally unready and unqualified.

Right, i'm off to bed again. Got a few hours kip before the debate and set my alarm for 1:45, in time to get a cuppa tea and be alert. Up again for work in 3 hours! *sigh*

GOBAMA!

yaynay

Just watching clips of the debate on CBS. She done a good job in comparision to previous interviews etc.

bobbyjoe

Just watching it now on RTE. Feel like Biden is Frank Grimes and Palin is Homer!!
Look at how stupid she is can't you see!!!!

Can she answer a question!!!!

yaynay

To be fair though, I don't think either of them done a great job of answering the questions directly, however, they both got their points across even if it meant turing the question to suit them. Isn't that what most politicians do anyway?

I'm looking at it from the perspective of someone who hasn't made up their mind and I think she done better than expected.

Macha

Couldn't disagree more. IF you look at her sentences written down, they don't actually make sense. She was all over the place, telling everyone that she "might not answer the way you or the moderator want it", etc - basically an excuse to waffle.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7649817.stm

yaynay

Those answers have been hugely condensed and therefore do not give the full effect of how the question was answered.

Inquitus

I am genuinely scared by Palin being VP, but to middle america she came across OK. The format suited her, it allowed her to obfuscate and waffle with no interjection, a la Couric, to put her on the spot and get her to answer the question.

I could see she hasn't got a fecking clue, but I doubt middle America could. Plus the bar was set at ground level.

Inq

Macha

yaynay wrote: »

Those answers have been hugely condensed and therefore do not give the full effect of how the question was answered.

They may have been condensed but they are direct quotes. Her sentence structure was incoherent.

taconnol

taconnol wrote: »

Couldn't disagree more. IF you look at her sentences written down, they don't actually make sense. She was all over the place, telling everyone that she "might not answer the way you or the moderator want it", etc - basically an excuse to waffle.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7649817.stm

I was saying the same thing after the mccain obama debate..is there an actual transcript on the net?..Did anyone actually listen to mccain..he was just speaking in circles..ranting on about fixing things, mavericks etc..firing out buzzwords..I would be interested to see a transcript..After watching it I was no clearer on any actual 'policy'..

CtrlSource

Inquitus wrote: »

I could see she hasn't got a fecking clue, but I doubt middle America could. Plus the bar was set at ground level.

Exactly. As i said, it probably worked with those without a thinking brain, the thick voter who there are plenty of (i encountered several incredibly stupid people talking politics on a recent trip there). BTW, i have respect for Republicans and McCain voters in general who can argue their reasons for supporting him coherently. But i've no respect for those who defend Palin's ability to be VP

Macha

Deleted User wrote: »

I was saying the same thing after the mccain obama debate..is there an actual transcript on the net?..Did anyone actually listen to mccain..he was just speaking in circles..ranting on about fixing things, mavericks etc..firing out buzzwords..I would be interested to see a transcript..After watching it I was no clearer on any actual 'policy'..

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/26/debate.mississippi.transcript/
Biden-Palin: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcript/

Cadet?

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Just watching it now on RTE. Feel like Biden is Frank Grimes and Palin is Homer!!
Look at how stupid she is can't you see!!!!

Can she answer a question!!!!

Unfortunate thing about that comparison is that Homer would absolutely cane Grimesey in an election!

CtrlSource

Hmm, what is it with her dumbed down folksy talk? Does anyone really like being referred to as "Joe six-pack"?!

Otacon

CtrlSource wrote: »

Hmm, what is it with her dumbed down folksy talk? Does anyone really like being referred to as "Joe six-pack"?!

A fat dude named Joe maybe?

Palin could have been ruined in this debate if the moderator had had any guts. She should have chased her for answers, Biden also.