White Smile Clinic Dublin - Teeth Whitening

shaz00

Hi, thinking of gettin my teeth whitened, have been looking at the White Smile Clinic in Dublin, has anyone been to this clinic or can you give me some feed back on them and the procedure - all advise would be gratefully welcomed.

niceandfriendly

I saw those adverts in the paper. I was going to go there i've been thinking about it for a while but ended up getting a discount voucher in a ball goody bag for a place in riverview called snowwhitesmiles. went well teeth are a lot whiter got after care stuff too. think they're all the same really.

Johhny Drama

Hi guys

I had my done at the White room...Really great treatment. It is in Walkinstown which is a trek for me but was worth it...website is www.thewhiteroom.biz

sally246

Hi, I see they have opened another teeth whitening clinic in Swords too? has anyone been to them yet?? http://www.thewhite-room.ie

helimachoptor

Johhny Drama wrote: »

Hi guys

I had my done at the White room...Really great treatment. It is in Walkinstown which is a trek for me but was worth it...website is www.thewhiteroom.biz

sally246 wrote: »

Hi, I see they have opened another teeth whitening clinic in Swords too? has anyone been to them yet?? http://www.thewhite-room.ie

Ah will you come on, it's so obvious whats going on here!

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Jahhny Drama and Sally246 you are warned, signing up to advertise is bad news and very transparent, I think it would actually put more people off than generate business. If you wish to advertise please contact the site admins.

P.S. The web site you show is certainly a generic US website disign with US pictures...poor show

davo10

Always beware of sites that advertise dental/medical treatment but give no info of names/qualifications of clinicians providing treatment.

BryanL

some of the things they are saying on their site are wildly inaccurate at best if not complete lies!

Whitening gels causing acid erosion!!!
At home trays causing gum disease
"When cleaned, and only when cleaned, your teeth will actually re-enamalize helping you to avoid future cavities!"

Re-enamalize??? what the heck is that?

Their own product is acidic,Ph 6.4 from their own site. Is it for real or is it a spoof site?

Bryan

Elphaba

Hi Shaz00, was just wondering have u gone any further with this? Just this morning I made an appointent with White Smiles for a couple of weeks time.

niceandfriendly

re-enamlize sounds pretty made up to me. still using my stuff that i got for after . the person who did mine wasnt a dentists but seemed clued up. if i felt uncomfortable i'd have no problem cancelling or just walking out. at the end of the day it got my teeth white but everyone has their own preferences!

ray ray :)

Hi, I am considering getting a teeth whitening procedure done at the white smiles clinic in Ballsbridge. I am wondering has anyone else been there and what were the results of the treatment like. Thanks:D

broker2008

(1) My sister in law used Smiles Clinic in June and was very happy with the result. It was a dentist who looked after her. She also got €250 cash from her health insurance policy with Hibernian Health. I have to admit the result was fantastic. The main thing was that her teeth didn't look see-thru like the results from some of the clinics that have sprung up and administered by non dentists.

(2) Another sister in law is in the middle of treatment via her dentist. The dentist took moulds of her teeth and sent off to the lab who made a plastic gumshield which was tooth specific. She puts a gel - called polanight -on her teeth for an hour per night. This method takes longer but is meant to last longer. After 3 weeks her teeth look visibly brighter.

(3) I have used Crest Strips in the past and I have been very happy with the results - cost $26

Sally07

Hi all, I used the White Smile Clinic in Ballsbridge a couple of weeks ago and I was very happy with the results. The dental nurse was very helpfull and made me feel at ease with the treatment! Its actually really quick and easy .
I also had a friend that went to the White Room to and she was happy too so i guess its much the same...:D

TheZohanS

sally246 wrote: »

Hi, I see they have opened another teeth whitening clinic in Swords too? has anyone been to them yet?? http://www.thewhite-room.ie

The guy that does the whitening is not a dentist, he's just having a go.

Had my teeth done there, HURT like hell. When I told him I was in severe pain he just looked at me as if to say "oh sh1t".

At least a dentist knows what he's doing should anything go wrong.

Wouldn't go back.

davo10

Anyone who is thinking of having their teeth whitened, GET IT DONE BY A DENTIST, DON'T TAKE A CHANCE ON SOMEONE WHO IS NOT QUALIFIED DOING TREATMENT ON YOUR TEETH.

Would you allow a nurse to cut and colour your hair?, and if he/she did and made a balls of it, at least it would grow again. You are not going to grow another set of teeth.

Any bunch of shysters can set up a bright and glossy clinic/salon and then carry out non invasive treatments having attended a weekend course or had a few demonstrations by a rep, but they are found out when things go even the slightest bit wrong, panic sets in and they ring the local dentist asking for help.

wex96

I was thinking of getting mine done dentist told me to go to boots and get their gel just as good as the expensive stuff but cheaper

theWhite-Room

Dear Members

My name is Frederick Desmond and I am the owner of the White Room, Swords, Co Dublin. I have just come across this message board and felt that it would be appropriate for me to respond.

I can confirm that the information provided on The White Room website is accurate. I will respond to each of your concerns raised.

BryanL wrote: »

some of the things they are saying on their site are wildly inaccurate at best if not complete lies!

Whitening gels causing acid erosion!!!
At home trays causing gum disease
"When cleaned, and only when cleaned, your teeth will actually re-enamalize helping you to avoid future cavities!"

Re-enamalize??? what the heck is that?

Their own product is acidic,Ph 6.4 from their own site. Is it for real or is it a spoof site?

Bryan

Acidity
I can confirm that the whitening gels used at The White Room are slightly acidic (Ph 6.4). This level is tailored to the same acidity level as saliva. Saliva is naturally acidic to break down foods. At this low level, the teeth will not corrode. However, more acidic gels will corrode enamel. Please refer to footnote 1 for a brief discussion on acid corrosion in teeth and the effects of professional versus over-the-counter whitening solutions. Note that the Beyond system now operates at over 100,000 locations world-wide. It has received FDA, CE and ISO9001 certification. It is was recently awarded class 1A medical device certification (Refer to www.beyonddent.com).

Re-enamization
Regarding re-enamilization, I can confirm that teeth will undergo this process when they are clean. Professor G. Judd of Purdue University wrote an interesting article (addressed to the US Health Executive) discussing the benefits of re-enamilization, and brushing with soap and water. Please refer to footnote 2 to see this article. There are also some quite pertinent implications regarding fluoride content in water, which Irish readers might be interested to peruse. Refer specifically to bullet point 4 for a discourse on re-enamilization. Further information supporting this process can be found at http://100777.com/health/teethcare

TheZohan wrote: »

The guy that does the whitening is not a dentist, he's just having a go.

Had my teeth done there, HURT like hell. When I told him I was in severe pain he just looked at me as if to say "oh sh1t".

At least a dentist knows what he's doing should anything go wrong.

Wouldn't go back.

Sensitivity Issues
I was deeply concerned to read this post. I implore the person that wrote this to contact The White Room. We have not had a case where a patient ever complained of "severe pain" or sensitivity. I would like to ensure that this person does not have our clinic mixed up with another. If this patient did indeed attend our clinic, I am very sorry to hear of these concerns. I would very much welcome the opportunity of talking with you in person regarding this matter. Please note that our gel's contains a proprietary formula that improves oral health while whitening and contains special ingredients to reduce the risk of sensitivity.

Dentists
Please be aware that all of The White Room technicians are exposed to a rigorous training and development programme. They specialise solely in teeth whitening. Although The White Room employs dental nurses, Beyond teeth whitening is classified as extreme low risk and can also be performed by non-dentits. For employees without a background in dentistry, The White Room uses a low strength (6% H2O2) gel. In almost every single case, this will preclude a patient from feeling any sensitivity whatsoever. In the few cases where patients do actually experience heightened sensitivity, treatment will be ceased immediately. Despite the low frequency of patient sensitivty, we advise each patient prior to treatment that this is a risk of the whitening procedure. We brief our client's fully of the implications for thise who experience sensitivity, and advise that treatment will be ceased. We pride ourselves on our high stanadards and the professional regard which we attribute toward safety. I am more than willing to discuss this in further detail in person. I am able to be contacted during clinic opening hours on 01-8904613.

Kind Regards,

Frederick Desmond
the White Room, Swords.


FOOTNOTE 1: Acidity in whitening gels

Information obtained from www.irishhealth.com

"Proper teeth whitening has no long term negative effect on the enamel of teeth, on the dentin of teeth or the gingiva (gums). There are however, certain over-the-counter bleaching products that can be damaging, typically due to acid. The enamel of teeth is mostly inorganic and is susceptible to acid...Professional products are very carefully manufactured to have no acid content. Having performed dental research for the last 32 years, and specifically teeth whitening research for the last 10 or 12, having lectured all over the world on this subject (including Ireland), having published numerous articles in dental journals and written five books for dentists, I am very, very familiar with the topic.... Dr. Rod Kurthy USA"


FOOTNOTE 2

True teeth care - re-enamelize naturally

January 13, 2004 - 00:48

DENTAL HEALTH

Letter from Gerard F. Judd , Ph. D. , Chemist, Researcher for 18 years and

Professor of Chemistry for 33 yrs.

April 2002

Dear Government Executive and Employee:

We can all stop spending billions for American dental work and research. Let me tell

you why: I have learned the real causes of dental cavities and gum infection. People,

including you, will now be able to take care of their own dentistry with insignificant

cost, and end with perfect teeth. Cavities and gum infections are ended!

A great amount of REPUTABLE DENTAL RESEARCH proves the following:

1. Tooth cavities will be ended simply by rinsing acids off the teeth. ACIDS ALONE

EAT THE ENAMEL. There would be no cavities in the world if all people rinsed acids

from their teeth promptly. Just sip water, milk or other liquid while eating. Water

reacts with acids.

2. Foods and drinks, other than those containing acids, have no action on tooth

enamel. SUGARS HAVE NO ACTION ON THE ENAMEL.

3. Bacteria cannot damage the enamel (calcium hydroxy phosphate). There is no

such thing as decay of the enamel since bacteria require carbon and hydrogen to

live. Billions of human and animal remains show teeth and bones are resistant to

earth-bound organisms.

4. Teeth reenamalize when clean. TO MAKE TEETH CLEAN ONE BRUSHES WITH

ANY BAR SOAP. ( There are good toothpastes at the health food stores. Check the

ingredients before buying. Don't get anything with glycerine in it.) Soap washes off in

just 2 rinses. What about toothpastes? Glycerine in all tooth pastes is so sticky that it

takes 27 washes to get it off. Teeth brushed with any toothpaste are coated with a

film and CANNOT PROPERLY REENAMELIZE.

5. Taking calcium and phosphate in the diet results in reenamelization of the teeth,

but only when they are clean. Bar soap does a perfect job in cleaning the surface.

The enamel thickens and becomes less sensitive. Adenosine diphosphatase

furnishes phosphate to teeth.

6. Gums are disinfected by brushing with any bar soap. Not only bacteria and viruses

are destroyed promptly by small amounts of soap in water, but also white flies and

aphids. Gardeners: Spray 1 tsp of dishwashing soap in 1 gallon of water to kill white

flies and aphids.

7. Plaque, a poorly formed crystal stuck to the bottom of the enamel, is prevented

and eventually removed by brushing with bar soap. Dental procedures to get the

badly formed crystals off dig holes through the enamel. These cavities catch food

and cause gum infection.

8. Prevention of plaque retards gum pockets. Gum pockets are formed as the plaque

pushes the gums away from the teeth. Gum pockets, from 1 to 8 mm deep, are also

formed by FLUORIDE, which severs the protein molecules adhering the gums to the

teeth. SOAP PREVENTS GINGIVITIS caused by bacteria which is lodged in the gum

pockets.

9. VITAMIN C AND PHOSPHATE help knit the gums back to the teeth. Pressing

against the gums with fingers forces adhesive materials from the gums onto the

teeth, which helps the process. Abscesses can be offset by holding Cepacol (14%

alcohol) in the mouth 5 minutes.

10. Receding gum surgery will end when the gum pockets cease. The very mention

of the procedure, which involves transferring flesh from the roof of the mouth to the

excised area of the gums, is a heinous and useless procedure which ought to pass

into oblivion.

11. Removal of

flouride from drinking water, pastes or gels saves the enzyme

adenosine diphosphatase so it can deliver phosphate to calcium at the tooth surface,

resulting in a beautiful, semi-flexible enamel.

12. As stated above, the gums can be reconnected to the teeth by taking vitamin C

(ascorbic acid) (1 tsp) with Arm and Hammer baking soda (1/2 tsp) in1 inch of water,

letting it fizz and then diluting to 1/2 to 1 cup with water, then drinking. The resulting

SODIUM ASCORBATE is non-acid, very pure and a thousand times more soluble

than vitamin C. Sodium ascorbate is more reactive than ascorbic acid (C) in building

connective tissue and antibody structures and more effective in killing some viruses

and bacteria.

13. Receding gums and plaque are ended when soap is used for brushing and

vitamin C is taken daily as described in #12

14. 30% of American youths ages 8-10 have no cavities. 100% of Ugandan youths

ages 6-10 have no cavities. What does this tell us?

15. The reason Ugandan youths have 3 times better teeth than American youths is

because they do not consume as many acid foods, have no

fluoride in their drinking

water, have regular meals rather than sipping acid drinks all day, have more calcium

and phosphate in their diet, and have fewer dentists to work on their teeth.

16. Dental literature says 42% of Americans over 65 have no natural teeth, while

25% of those over 43 have none.

17. Dental literature says Americans age 43 average 32 cavities, those age 17 have

13 cavities, blacks and poverty stricken (without calcium and phosphate) have twice

this and the native Americans have four times this amount. The Native American

plight can be blamed on their poor nutrition, excessive fluoridation, and free but

improper dental care.

18. If

fluorication were effective in preventing cavities, Native Americans would have

the least caviites. They have had forced fluoridation for approximately 62 years.

19.

Fluoride in water at I part per million INCREASED tooth cavities in four large

reliable studies 7.22.45 and10% (average 21 %). The reason for these increases has

to do with the fact that adenosine diphosphatase is destroyed by fluoride and

CALCIUM FLUORIDE which slips into the enamel, is alien to the tooth composite

and makes the enamel weak, brittle and discolored.

20. The health of American teeth will increase to be very nearly perfect if the regimen

of water rinsing, soap brushing and taking calcium, phosphate and vitamin C in the

diet is implemented.

21. Fortunately, we now know the current teeth perfecting protocol of dentistry with

fluoridation is flawed. If the early estimates of 80% tooth improvement in childrens'

teeth by age 13 were true, each American would now have less than one cavity. That

is far from true. The teeth in America are in a sorry state, and at the present time are

getting worse.

22. Numerous top scientists over the past 60 years have discarded the theory that

fluoride helps teeth, or is a nutrient helpful to man

23. To avoid fluoride is to prevent more than 114 ailments listed with references in a

book "Good Teeth Birth to Death" by Gerard F. Judd , Ph. D. . These 114 medical

side effects extend all the way from cancer down to headaches caused 1 ppm

fluoride in the water. Thirteen of these side effects are proved by a double blind study

on 60 patients by 12 physicians, 1 pharmacist and 1 attorney.

http://i.am/jah/why.htm

24. The mechanism for destruction of enzymes by fluoride has been proven by x-ray

studies. Hydrogen bonds are broken by fluoride.

25. Fluoride is the smallest negative particle on the face of the earth. Since the

fluoried particles are so small and so intensely negative, they connect with the

hydrogen bonds holding the enzyme coils in place and ruin every enzyme molecule

at very low concentration, around 1-3 ppm. These enzymes are often 3,000 or more

times the small size of the fluoride. The effect is ruinous.

26. To avoid fluoride is to prevent the destruction of 83 enzymes listed with

references in Good Teeth, Birth to Death, by Gerard F. Judd , Ph. D.. Fluoride is a

severe biological poison. Being intensely negative, it unlatches positive hydrogen

bonds in enzymes AND proteins.

27. It is fortunate we have learned fluoride is a nerve poison. Fluoride causes

cavities. There is not the slightest doubt.

28. Methylmercury formed from amalgams in the body is deadly. It causes brain

disease. Fillings made of quartzite and epoxy are a safe substitute.

29. Fluoride harms the economy by making people purchase other than city water to

avoid it. It also harms the economy by making people dependent on undependable

professions that know nothing about it. Ignorance about fluoride and what it does is

world-wide.

http://i.am/jah/greeneco.htm

30. Keep the teeth moist. Teeth that are dry crack. If you chew ice, teeth may

crumble. Teeth do have a breaking strength.

31. LOOK IN YOUR MOUTH. Tell the dentist(s) what you want done and get several

bids for examination and work. Save your fortunes.

We now know we can cancel the green light given by Harry Truman with the help of

Congress to subsidize dentistry. Billions of dollars that are being wasted in this

regard (Public Law 755, June 24,1948) can now be returned to the taxpayers.

I hope you will put this information in the hands of your Congress persons so they

and we may alert the newspapers, radio and TV stations, magazines, and all other

news media as well as their friends, families, and associates about this giant leap in

dental technology.

I ask for your feedback on this letter and I would also like you to ask for feedback

from the ones you contact. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!

Respectfully yours, Gerard F. Judd , Ph. D. Professor Emeritus , Chemistry

ADDRESSEE: Please mall a copy of this letter to your Congressperson, asking what

they are going to do about this terrible incompetence and waste in dentistry and government

spending.

Thanking you, I am Gerard F. Judd.

PARTIAL CREDENTIALS OF DR JUDD -- October 24, 2002 --

6615 W Lupine, Glendale AZ 85304

1. Ph. D. from Purdue University .

2. Researcher in industry: 18 yrs.

3. Prof of chemistry: 33 yrs; retired professor emeritus.

4. Fluoride laboratory studies: Linde, Purdue, Wright Field and Phoenix

College , thirteen years.

5. Author, revised: Good Teeth Birth to Death, 117 pp. July 1997.

6. Author, revised: Chemistry, Its Uses In Everyday Life, 305 pp. July

1997. 7. Author, Workbook, Self Quizzes and Laboratory Assignments for

Chemistry, Its Uses In Everyday Life, July 16, 1997 .

8. Author, Chemical Hygiene Plan, 89 pp, 4-23-1998 .

9. Speaker, writer, radio host, bookseller, age 79, continuing October 24,

2002 .

10. Fighter for truth in practical uses of chemistry.

davo10

Mr. Desmond, could you confirm please that you are a registered dentist, or that there is at least one registered dentist in your shop who is able to carry out a thorough dental examination before patients undergo the whitening process, thus preventing the placement of bleach in a cavity.

You said in your post that you use 6% H2O2 gel, this is hydrogen peroxide, all dentists in Ireland have been advised not to use this material for whitening teeth due to concerns over its potential to damage teeth.

could you please inform the public if you have dental malpractice insurance as opposed to public liability insurance, and who indemnifies your "technicians". What procedures do you have in place if a person returns to your shop complaining of acute pain in teeth after you have treated them, are your shops equipped to take radiographs/carry out pulpal tests, do you know how this is done?.

Please inform the readers what you would do in the case where a client returns to your shop in pain and a cavity is identified, into which one of your "technicians" has placed bleach?

DeVore

Something about this thread stinks.

DeV.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Been away for a while, just saw this thread. As for Mr. Frederick Desmond, what a load of waffle. Yes you know how to use google, lets hope your "technicians" now how to use bleach in peoples mouths. While I am interested to see if you will answer any of davp10's questions I am afraid I am going to lock this thread cause its decending into a flame war. This forum is for answering patients dental related questions not for commercial ventures to either advertise of be demonished.

Personally I would not let a "technician" put bleach in my mouth....anyway

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