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Possible early reference to Jesus

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  • #2
    Pompey Magnus
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    An interesting discovery alright but far from conclusive that it was actually referring to Jesus though, after all "Christ" is just the Greek translation of Messiah, and there have been loads of Jewish Messiahs through history, Jesus was just one of many claimants to the title Christos.


  • #3
    kelly1
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    Charco wrote: »
    An interesting discovery alright but far from conclusive that it was actually referring to Jesus though, after all "Christ" is just the Greek translation of Messiah, and there have been loads of Jewish Messiahs through history, Jesus was just one of many claimants to the title Christos.
    Were there really that many claimants who were "magicians"?


  • #4
    Pompey Magnus
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    kelly1 wrote: »
    Were there really that many claimants who were "magicians"?

    I wouldn't know if there were many, but didn't Simon Magus claim to be a Christ and he was a magician.

    Anyways I wouldn't have thought Christians would be too pleased about this, after all this is possibly an early source describing the person now considered the Son of God as being actually just a magician. That is a major demotion for Jesus. Christians could have wasted the last 2000 years worshipping ancient Israel's version of Yuri Gellar.


  • #5
    kelly1
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    Charco wrote: »
    I wouldn't know if there were many...
    But earlier you said "Jesus was just one of many claimants to the title Christos". You seems to have changed your mind.

    Anyway, my take on is that some pagan(s) who saw Jesus perform miracles thought He was a magician. Nothing to worry about IMO.


  • #6
    Pompey Magnus
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    kelly1 wrote: »
    But earlier you said "Jesus was just one of many claimants to the title Christos". You seems to have changed your mind.

    No, I said that I wouldn't know if there were many claimants who were also magicians in answer to your question. We know there were plenty of Christs/Messiahs before and after Jesus, for example King David, Saul, Cyrus, as well as a number of High Priests, patriarchs and warriors. After Jesus there were yet more Christs/Messiahs such as Simon bar Kosiba a century after the death of Jesus.


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  • #7
    Pompey Magnus
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    At any rate is Chrestos not just a ordinary Greek word meaning "Anointed One"? The bowl says ""DIA CHRSTOU O GOISTAIS," which the article translated as "By Christ the magician". I don't understand why the historians translate the 1st, 3rd and 4th words into English but then leave the 2nd word in a modernised form of the original Greek word. The sentence more accurately reads "By the anointed one the magician". That is much less impressive to the non-Greek speaking westerner with a Christian mindset I guess.


  • #8
    BrianCalgary
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    Charco wrote: »
    An interesting discovery alright but far from conclusive that it was actually referring to Jesus though, after all "Christ" is just the Greek translation of Messiah, and there have been loads of Jewish Messiahs through history, Jesus was just one of many claimants to the title Christos.

    Can you name some? :confused:


  • #9
    BrianCalgary
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    It'd be interesting to know where the bowl was found. It was around this time when gnosticism was up and running whic means that a bowl with such an engraving wouldn't be a surprise.

    This find does nothing as far as Christianity is cocerned as we have no idea who engraved it and what their view was.


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