Topaz Clean Fuel

Ay Cee

Seen a billboard sign somewhere with Topaz claiming their "clean fuel" gives better efficiency.

Any body know how much better they are or noticed any difference?

Mr.David

Depends on what your car is?

tbh unless you are running a high performance car or driving very hard there will be no/very little difference.

egan007

TOPAS is just Shell and Statoil garages rebranded, their fuel supply has not changed.

Bandara

its completely made up bullsh!t

They all draw their fuel out of TOP in the docks.

Ay Cee

Surely it must be false advertising then?

Notch000

the old V-power was about 10% LESS efficient than normal fuel in my cars

PaddyFagan

From the Topaz web site:

The additive is being sourced from international giant BASF and will only be available in Ireland from Topaz. Field trials have shown that its use can increase engine efficiency by up to 3% or approximately 400 miles a year for an average Irish motorist.

http://www.topazenergy.ie/en/News/Good-news-for-motorists-as-Topaz-prepares-to-launch-more-efficient-petrol-and-diesel-products-/

3% is going to be very hard to spot over a tank of fuel, for me that would be of the order of an extra 18km from a full tank! And even a slight variation in driving style or traffic conditions would make that disappear. You'd need to have good (accurate) long term data on your fuel consumption before and after switching to this to know if the figures hold up.

Paddy

Seth Brundle

Hammertime wrote: »

its completely made up bullsh!t

They all draw their fuel out of TOP in the docks.

Topaz have seven terminals (of their own) around the country, each being filled by ships every few days! They may supply fuel to TOP alright and vice versa but they are not supplied by TOP!

dade

kbannon wrote: »

Topaz have seven terminals (of their own) around the country, each being filled by ships every few days! They may supply fuel to TOP alright and vice versa but they are not supplied by TOP!

Nah TOP bring in their own fuel they have a dept that buys it from teh boats.

5500

Aparently its E5 that there now using in there pumps,the same as what maxol have been using

LEIN

Texaco are using this clean fuel rubbish too.

I normally get my petrol at Tesco but i cant make it there every time so i use a Texaco on the way home from work and i get the same mileage from a full thank of Texaco as i do with Tesco.

So IMO its a load of advertising bull!

mumhaabu

One word: Greenwashing

Seth Brundle

dade wrote: »

Nah TOP bring in their own fuel they have a dept that buys it from teh boats.

They often provide fuel to other companys when required (and receive it also).

nialler

Best fuel efficiency I've gotten is from Texaco Tekron.

Only filled it up with the new Topaz clean fuel but haven't had it on a good run.

Fuel efficiency so far on motorway

Texaco - 33-35mpg
Maxol 99ron E5 - 27mpg
Esso - 30mpg

Topaz about 14-18 around town which is normal for the rest of em but in saying that the maxol 99ron stuff does give better performance to the car, noticable boost.

Bandara

kbannon wrote: »

They often provide fuel to other companys when required (and receive it also).

TOP are the largest importer of fuel in the country, a claim that is pretty much hidden as most of the big brands like to put out there that they handle everything from when it comes out of the ground until it gets to the forecourts, TOP are middlemen a huge percentage of the fuel that comes in for almost all the main brands. Portway for example draw pretty much all their fuel out of TOP in the docks and then drop it off into the other big depots around the country where the Maxols etc then draw it out and ship it in their branded tanker to its final destination. The depot on my premises would see anything fromn 300k - 600k liters a night unloaded from the TOP terminal and then collected by various companies tankers throughout the night.


Eireal,

E5 is pretty much the standard now, its a bt silly the way some Forecourts are saying they sell it like its some exclusive deal.

I don't even get asked when I order a load of fuel anymore, since about 8 months ago the only option was E5, you got it if you liked it or not.

Bluefoam

I was filling the car up in Tesco at Clarehall, now switched to the Shell/Topaz next door and have noticed an amazing increase in mpg...

I do believe it is down to the additives, cos I'm sure they both get the petrol from the same place.

L1011

Bluefoam wrote: »

I was filling the car up in Tesco at Clarehall, now switched to the Shell/Topaz next door and have noticed an amazing increase in mpg...

I do believe it is down to the additives, cos I'm sure they both get the petrol from the same place.

Additives; tank, pump and line maintenance, etc.

I know from staff that work there that Tesco Maynooth and Topaz Lucan are filled on the same run from the same tanker as goes the raw fuel. One of them makes my car (brand new, 'adaptive mapping') run like a bag of hammers, one doesn't... and generally they're the same price.

jedijonvtec

what car you driving nialler? sounds incredible that you can get more mpg out of texaco compared to everyone else. my friends and i stopped usin texaco as we constantly got worse mpg than any other petrol stations in ireland.

there techron stuff is pure shy-tt.

esso , top and apple green were all average for 20 quid petrol. maxol slighly better at the mo.

are you a pr agent for texaco or something? claiming that much of an increase is a bit sceptacle, unless.....

nialler

Unfortunately not Jedi wouldn't mind being in the fuel business, recession proof I'd say.

Anyways it's just what I've seen, better mpg on texaco, better performance on maxol, esso couldn't be bothered and not mad about the Topaz stuff either, car is a bit lumpy at times.

Car is a 00 Merc S320 LWB petrol.

Flyer1

How one can justify whether they're getting better mpg, performance or anything else on a certain brand of fuel totally baffles me. SO SO SO many variables every time you drive will be different. In order to test a fuel's efficiency you need ISA conditions on some sort of test bed where RPM and engine parameters remain a constant.

I average 45ish in my car, having driven about 25,000miles in the last year I can say i've noticed no real difference in fuel and i've used fuel from a lot of different sources.

For Topaz to claim better efficiency, to me is total an utter Green Flag waving, i've just gone through a fill of this " clean unleaded ", I got exactly the same miles to a tank as I did with local petrol which cost 4c less per litre. Wonder could I bring them to court for false advertisement under the Sale of Goods & Supply of Services act :rolleyes:

Biro

PaddyFagan wrote: »

From the Topaz web site:

http://www.topazenergy.ie/en/News/Good-news-for-motorists-as-Topaz-prepares-to-launch-more-efficient-petrol-and-diesel-products-/

3% is going to be very hard to spot over a tank of fuel, for me that would be of the order of an extra 18km from a full tank! And even a slight variation in driving style or traffic conditions would make that disappear. You'd need to have good (accurate) long term data on your fuel consumption before and after switching to this to know if the figures hold up.

Paddy

The best way to decide is use those cars that Volkswagen or BMW have hooked up to the computer to go around the track itself. The Computer will do it the exact same way all the time, so fill it with "normal" stuff, let her off till she runs dry, then fill it with the brialliant (!) Topaz special stuff and let her run dry. The difference should be noticable, if they're to be believed!

Biro

Flyer1 wrote: »

How one can justify whether they're getting better mpg, performance or anything else on a certain brand of fuel totally baffles me. SO SO SO many variables every time you drive will be different. In order to test a fuel's efficiency you need ISA conditions on some sort of test bed where RPM and engine parameters remain a constant.

I average 45ish in my car, having driven about 25,000miles in the last year I can say i've noticed no real difference in fuel and i've used fuel from a lot of different sources.

For Topaz to claim better efficiency, to me is total an utter Green Flag waving, i've just gone through a fill of this " clean unleaded ", I got exactly the same miles to a tank as I did with local petrol which cost 4c less per litre. Wonder could I bring them to court for false advertisement under the Sale of Goods & Supply of Services act :rolleyes:

I remember with the Celica I had, the first bar of the fuel (electronic) guage used stay on for ages after brimming it, usually around the 60 miles. Anyway, one day after filling up at a particular garage it was 100miles before going out. I was wondering how this could be, but further investigation revealed that the forecourt was sloped, so the front of the car opposite the fuel tank was the lowest point of the slope, therefore I was getting more in (like tilting a jerry can in order to properly brim it!). Maybe that's the reason for some people being convinced they get more miles from a "tank" from some places.

L1011

Biro wrote: »

I remember with the Celica I had, the first bar of the fuel (electronic) guage used stay on for ages after brimming it, usually around the 60 miles. Anyway, one day after filling up at a particular garage it was 100miles before going out. I was wondering how this could be, but further investigation revealed that the forecourt was sloped, so the front of the car opposite the fuel tank was the lowest point of the slope, therefore I was getting more in (like tilting a jerry can in order to properly brim it!). Maybe that's the reason for some people being convinced they get more miles from a "tank" from some places.

Working out what you're getting from "a tank" is much easier when you've a fuelcard statement with odometer readings and exact litres dispensed on it...

CJhaughey

Hammertime wrote: »

I don't even get asked when I order a load of fuel anymore, since about 8 months ago the only option was E5, you got it if you liked it or not.

Are you saying that all petrol is now E5?

seclachi

Was that fuel shell sold that cost like 20c more than the rest just some scam btw, or was it actually of some use ?

notahappycamper

Just a quick query on Maxol's E5 - is it ok to use that petrol in all unleaded engines in cars?

vox

notahappycamper wrote: »

Just a quick query on Maxol's E5 - is it ok to use that petrol in all unleaded engines in cars?

Yes

Bandara

CJhaughey wrote: »

Are you saying that all petrol is now E5?

All I can speak for is myself, I now only ever receive E5 when I order fuel there is no other option, been like that for a good while, Portway just told me one day that all UNL will be E5 in future.

CJhaughey

Hammertime wrote: »

All I can speak for is myself, I now only ever receive E5 when I order fuel there is no other option, been like that for a good while, Portway just told me one day that all UNL will be E5 in future.

Thanks for that, I better go out and check if I have E5 in my jerrycan.
I'll be pissed off if it is without being told.
That Ethanol is bad shyte, hygroscopic any water in your tank will be absorbed and run through your system.

mumhaabu

Drove from Limerick to Kerry this evening, Both TOP and the Garveys filling stations in Newcastllewest were both 114.9 for Unleaded and 117.9 for Diesel happy days! I haven't seen it at these levels since 2007, maybe there is a silver lining to the Recession. Then again that town does not have a Topaz Oil in town so maybe there is more competition around.

milltown

MYOB wrote: »

Additives; tank, pump and line maintenance, etc.

I know from staff that work there that Tesco Maynooth and Topaz Lucan are filled on the same run from the same tanker as goes the raw fuel. One of them makes my car (brand new, 'adaptive mapping') run like a bag of hammers, one doesn't... and generally they're the same price.

You do realise that the tanker isn't actually one big long tank, yeah? There's 4 or 5 compartments which could each be holding a different fuel, although if Hammertime is to be believed they probably aren't.

We used to do a lot of work down the docks on the COP (common oil pipeline, which all fuel that comes into Dublin port is pumped through and divvied up to the different companies) and I asked the question years ago about the Shell stuff. I was told that the treatments/additives are added at the depot, between the stuff coming off the boat and going into the trucks.

L1011

Ironically, I've used that argument on here when people have mentioned the Wincanton trucks supplying Tesco & Topaz; but I've a mate who works in the Tesco station who asked the delivery driver - tanker is filled entirely with the same 'blend' so to speak for the Lucan/Maynooth run.

Seth Brundle

milltown wrote: »

We used to do a lot of work down the docks on the COP (common oil pipeline, which all fuel that comes into Dublin port is pumped through and divvied up to the different companies) and I asked the question years ago about the Shell stuff. I was told that the treatments/additives are added at the depot, between the stuff coming off the boat and going into the trucks.

With some fuels the additives are already in the fuel when it is taken off the ship. With others its added in the terminal. For example the Topaz petrol biofuel is premixed but the forthcoming biodiesel will have an additive added at the gantry in the terminal.

Bandara

milltown wrote: »

You do realise that the tanker isn't actually one big long tank, yeah? There's 4 or 5 compartments which could each be holding a different fuel, although if Hammertime is to be believed they probably aren't.

And you do realise that petrol stations with the sufficent storage cannot order anything less than full loads anymore so your tanker is not goign to be delivering to different places with different loads on board.

As I sit here typing this there is a portway tanker offloading into the tanks not 100 yards from me. This fuel is joinging about 600k liters of fuel already in the ground that has been deposited there over the past 12 hours by LOTS of different tankers.

In the morning it will all be drawn out by lots of different tankers from different and dispersed all over the north east.

Fishtits

Snake oil, pixie dust...etc etc take your pick.

jackoglee

Hi, I,ve tried the new Topaz Clean fuel in my BMW for the last 3 weeks and I noticed a definate improvement, car driving better, the computer on the car shows improvement of about 3% in motorway driving.:)

alexmcred

I have just switched from Texaco which 99% of the time I was putting in . The Car is running a lot smoother on the Topaz fuel. A mate with an Alfa 156 is finding the same thing he was also using texaco before

colly10

Only filled up with this stuff once and happened to see the highest knock reading i've ever seen with the stuff in the tank, I won't be using anything but E5 again

techie

alexmcred wrote: »

I have just switched from Texaco which 99% of the time I was putting in . The Car is running a lot smoother on the Topaz fuel. A mate with an Alfa 156 is finding the same thing he was also using texaco before

Same here, I have a 147 1.6 Petrol and before 5-6 weeks ago I was using Texaco only, I have now switched to Topaz and my car is noticably smoother.

My wifes car is the same and she noticed it herself, now that means there is definitely a difference as she does not notice anything about the car normally

jackoglee

Hi, I was very interested in why they were dojng this and not charging for the additive and while i was talking to one of the staff in one of the garages they explained that the company was irish owned and was going to do new things all the time. They are also much cheaper than when they were statoil and shell. In my local one thay always match Tesco prices. They staff member also said that in the UK, BP charge for the additive and call it ultimate, it's 5 cent dearer than normal stuff.
These new Topaz guys are fab:eek:

L1011

Not like Top and Emo weren't already Irish owned... (and Maxol depending on your point of view)

Bandara

jackoglee wrote: »

Hi, I was very interested in why they were dojng this and not charging for the additive and while i was talking to one of the staff in one of the garages they explained that the company was irish owned and was going to do new things all the time. They are also much cheaper than when they were statoil and shell. In my local one thay always match Tesco prices. They staff member also said that in the UK, BP charge for the additive and call it ultimate, it's 5 cent dearer than normal stuff.
These new Topaz guys are fab:eek:

THEY DO NOT OFFER ANYTHING DIFFERENT TO ANYONE ELSE !!!!!

(for the fifteenth time)

My fuel is the exactly same as the fabled Topaz clean fuel :rolleyes:, I'm often asked to take a half load on the same tanker as them ffs !

IT IS BULLSH1T.

colly10

Hammertime wrote: »

THEY DO NOT OFFER ANYTHING DIFFERENT TO ANYONE ELSE !!!!!

(for the fifteenth time)

My fuel is the exactly same as the fabled Topaz clean fuel :rolleyes:, I'm often asked to take a half load on the same tanker as them ffs !

IT IS BULLSH1T.

Ye always get this fuel is better than that fuel and ye really notice it etc .... to me its a bull**** placebo effect. The only normal fuel which is considerably different is E5

jackoglee

Lads, if you have vested interests and that's obvious, perhaps you are not objective. in your assesment.

LEIN

jackoglee wrote: »

Lads, if you have vested interests and that's obvious, perhaps you are not objective. in your assesment.

Bandara

jackoglee wrote: »

Lads, if you have vested interests and that's obvious, perhaps you are not objective. in your assesment.

huh?

assessment? what assessment?

I'm telling you like it is, I don't give a monkeys where you buy your fuel.

the fact is its smoke and mirrors, on Monday I got one and a half loads of fuel, 35k unl and 21k derv, the remaining 28k in the second tanker was going to Topaz in finglas as they were out of "Clean Fuel" :rolleyes:

King Chili

Hammertime wrote: »

huh?

assessment? what assessment?

I'm telling you like it is, I don't give a monkeys where you buy your fuel.

the fact is its smoke and mirrors, on Monday I got one and a half loads of fuel, 35k unl and 21k derv, the remaining 28k in the second tanker was going to Topaz in finglas as they were out of "Clean Fuel" :rolleyes:

Hammertime, you are wrong. No two ways about it. The AA independently audit it and this information is available on their website.

LEIN

King Chili wrote: »

Hammertime, you are wrong. No two ways about it. The AA independently audit it and this information is available on their website.

Do you care to furnish us with a link?