Russ Hamilton officially implicated in UB scandal

cooker3

So it's been long suspected by the 2+2 community that 1994 main event winner and guy who set up Ultimate Bet was the ring leader behind the UB scandal. The KGC which is KAHNAWAKE GAMING COMMISSION who "regulate" UB and AP hired some lawyer guy who they claimed is independent to do a full investigation.

Well they have released a statement implicating Hamilton
http://majorwager.com/index.cfm?page=27&show_column=694

Gambling 911 are saying the figure stolen could be up to 6 million although 2+2 people are saying they aren't the most reliable
Here is article
http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-news/world-series-poker-winner-russ-hamilton-identified-absolute-poker-cheat-092908.html

Latest 2+2 thread is here
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/russ-hamilton-directly-implicated-kgc-310327/

Doc Farrell

cooker3 wrote: »

So it's been long suspected by the 2+2 community that 1994 main event winner and guy who set up Ultimate Bet was the ring leader behind the UB scandal. The KGC which is KAHNAWAKE GAMING COMMISSION who "regulate" UB and AP hired some lawyer guy who they claimed is independent to do a full investigation.

Well they have released a statement implicating Hamilton
http://majorwager.com/index.cfm?page=27&show_column=694

Gambling 911 are saying the figure stolen could be up to 60 million although 2+2 people are saying they aren't the most reliable
Here is article
http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-news/world-series-poker-winner-russ-hamilton-identified-absolute-poker-cheat-092908.html

Latest 2+2 thread is here
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/russ-hamilton-directly-implicated-kgc-310327/

60 million. pack ur bags, its all over, online is officially rigged!

cooker, go to bed!

phantom_lord

meh.

cooker3

Oh that 60 million is a misprint. It'd 6 million which is something I suppose....

Also suggestion that 60 minutes story shall be aired on the 26th of october
http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/60-minutes-story-on-ultimate-bet-scandal-may-air-october-26th-442/

Headspace

Funny how anyone who says online is rigged in a poker forum is shot down and now we can see two major sites that were in some way rigged. The body that is supposed to ensure these sites are legit imposes a laughable fine against these companies. I say this because one time I was curious about the B2B network, went looking for info and googled them. I came across a page (their own) It said something along the lines of - our software ensures that all of our customers are dealt a good hand. At the time I presumed they must of been speaking methophoricaly and by customers must of meant investors. I have scene looked for the page but could not find it. I have played on many sites betfair, poker stars, I poker, Crypto..... and have found them all to be fair but I have never seen flops like the ones on B2B. Dose anyone on here have a large sample of hands from this site, do they get all hands an equal amount of time? How do boardies find this site?

max_power

Headspace wrote: »

Funny how anyone who says online is rigged in a poker forum is shot down and now we can see two major sites that were in some way rigged. The body that is supposed to ensure these sites are legit imposes a laughable fine against these companies. I say this because one time I was curious about the B2B network, went looking for info and googled them. I came across a page (their own) It said something along the lines of - our software ensures that all of our customers are dealt a good hand. At the time I presumed they must of been speaking methophoricaly and by customers must of meant investors. I have scene looked for the page but could not find it. I have played on many sites betfair, poker stars, I poker, Crypto..... and have found them all to be fair but I have never seen flops like the ones on B2B. Dose anyone on here have a large sample of hands from this site, do they get all hands an equal amount of time? How do boardies find this site?

lol

cooker3

No. The people who usually claim online sites are rigged suck at poker and try to justify it by claiming it's rigged. The people who discovered the AP and UB scandal are very intelligent highly respected 2+2 posters who had proof and stats to justify what they were saying, not just that some of the flops were unbelievable. There is a rather huge difference.
In saying that my win rate at B2B left a lot to be desired. Finally I can justify why now!!

NickyOD

Headspace wrote: »

I have played on many sites betfair, poker stars, I poker, Crypto..... and have found them all to be fair but I have never seen flops like the ones on B2B. Dose anyone on here have a large sample of hands from this site, do they get all hands an equal amount of time? How do boardies find this site?

What's so out of the ordinary about the flops on the entraction network? Did they leave the jokers in the pack?

Pub07

Headspace wrote: »

Funny how anyone who says online is rigged in a poker forum is shot down and now we can see two major sites that were in some way rigged. The body that is supposed to ensure these sites are legit imposes a laughable fine against these companies. I say this because one time I was curious about the B2B network, went looking for info and googled them. I came across a page (their own) It said something along the lines of - our software ensures that all of our customers are dealt a good hand. At the time I presumed they must of been speaking methophoricaly and by customers must of meant investors. I have scene looked for the page but could not find it. I have played on many sites betfair, poker stars, I poker, Crypto..... and have found them all to be fair but I have never seen flops like the ones on B2B. Dose anyone on here have a large sample of hands from this site, do they get all hands an equal amount of time? How do boardies find this site?

Why would they bother rigging it to create 'action flops'? Whats in it for them? Feck all. The only rigging that would be worthwhile for a site would be to alter the cards dealt when players are all in - so that the worse player improves his hand more often than he should hence keeping the fish in the game longer and paying more rake. I've often thought this system could be in effect on alot of sites, it would be very hard to detect, nowhere near as blatant as some all conquering superuser account.

cardshark202

What kind of flops are we talking about here?

Mellor

cardshark202 wrote: »

What kind of flops are we talking about here?

Something crazy like all hearts, or once i seen 666, spooky

Hank Scorpio

ipoker must die.

Ste05

This whole thing is cheating, not rigged, there's cheating in every form of Poker beit on-line or Live.

P.S. I hope you don't mind cooker, but I changed the typo for the 60m back to 6m...

Ste05

Furthermore, the KGC is currently in contact with the appropriate law enforcement agencies and intends to fully cooperate in the prosecution of all individuals involved in the UB cheating incidents.

I'll be interested to see if anything comes from this... I highly doubt it, bar possibly a scape goat

zuutroy

cooker3 wrote: »

In saying that my win rate at B2B left a lot to be desired. Finally I can justify why now!!

Snap. It's definitely rigged...If you search 'entraction rigged' my blog is the number 1 result

Headspace

This is not an excuse for loosing on my part. Sharkscope my boards sn for B2B and I show profit. Slaktarn from 25k hu fame said same thing in interview not that that is bible. Logged money on B2B 3 days ago scene then got AA 3 times QQ 4 times, got it all in AQ called by AA and KK flop came QQQ, got it all in versus a dominated hand for the fish to hit str8 flush all over very few hands. I'm not just talking about a fw bad beats here the **** is rigged. Dose anyone have a large data base do they get AA nore tham 47 etc? IT has been shown there is cheating all ready online it is the attitude that it is a ludicris assumption that will allow it to cantinue

Wreck

Headspace wrote: »

This is not an excuse for loosing on my part. Sharkscope my boards sn for B2B and I show profit. Slaktarn from 25k hu fame said same thing in interview not that that is bible. Logged money on B2B 3 days ago scene then got AA 3 times QQ 4 times, got it all in AQ called by AA and KK flop came QQQ, got it all in versus a dominated hand for the fish to hit str8 flush all over very few hands. I'm not just talking about a fw bad beats here the **** is rigged. Dose anyone have a large data base do they get AA nore tham 47 etc? IT has been shown there is cheating all ready online it is the attitude that it is a ludicris assumption that will allow it to cantinue

You must be the greatest player the world has ever seen given the game is rigged against you and you still show a profit.

cooker3

Article on MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26963451/

Nothing particularly new, I just mention it as interesting that main stream media are taking somewhat of an interest with it along with 60 minutes story up and coming

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I have a load of €10 tokens for the entraction network and always run like i'd imagine Jesus would have run from the crucifix whenever I activate my free monies!