taekwondo?

xbox36016

any one here a black blalt in it like me

ColinJennings

Yes and at last count there are about 582 other black belts in ITF TKD in this country, but that count is about two years old now.

Coconutty

582?

Wow. I thought everyone has a black belt by now. There are like hundred of thousands black belts world wide in different martial art styles. Probably in dozens of thousands in TKD.

Tim_Murphy

ColinJennings wrote: »

Yes and at last count there are about 582 other black belts in ITF TKD in this country, but that count is about two years old now.

How was that figure estimated out of interest? Or was that the figure in the ITF affiliated groups at the time?

pma-ire

ColinJennings wrote: »

Yes and at last count there are about 582 other black belts in ITF TKD in this country, but that count is about two years old now.

Altogether I'd say that there are a whole lot more than that

xbox36016

thare is becase i do redking taekondo google it and we have 30 bb in our class

Tim_Murphy

Now that I think of it, most people I know actually have a TKD black belt. Most of them are only 1st or 2nd Dans though. :rolleyes:

ColinJennings

All ITF black belts certs are numbered by order in which you obtained the belt. So IRE-1-1 is the first first degree in ireland, IRE-6-52 is the 52nd 6th degree in Ireland.

The IRE-1-582 is from memory my friend's cert number, but he is a black belt for two years now and my cert number is only slightly lower, so it is about time I get the finger out and get my second degree.

mark.leonard

PLenty more black belts around doing ITF style taekwondo, just not paying for RITA Masters' pensions

jim o doom

This is from a non-taekwondoo person; it's a cool looking art, but is it very practical in the street?

ColinJennings

Prior to Gen Choi's death and 'the great schism' all ITF black belts (including Master Choi's black belts) were on the one numbering system, I'm unsure if that has changed now there are three ITFs, but I assume it has.

mark.leonard

ColinJennings wrote: »

Prior to Gen Choi's death and 'the great schism' all ITF black belts (including Master Choi's black belts) were on the one numbering system, I'm unsure if that has changed now there are three ITFs, but I assume it has.

Our definition of ITF is different. as far as you are counting, the only people doing ITF were in the RITA, by my definition ITF STYLE is anyone not doing WTF STYLE.
So my old association Taekwondo Ireland had plenty blackbelts under the UTI that wouldn't have been counted by your cert number ing system, but still should be counted.

so in short

mark.leonard wrote:

Plenty more black belts around doing ITF style taekwondo, just not paying for RITA Masters' pensions

Tim_Murphy

Our definition of ITF is different. as far as you are counting, the only people doing ITF were in the RITA, by my definition ITF STYLE is anyone not doing WTF STYLE.

Prior to the split in the ITF all ITF certs had a unique number, so guys in the INTA and AITA would have been issued with these, so it wasn't just the RITA. Nowadays with 3 ITFs (or are there more now, I don't follow the soap opera anymore ) I'd imagine they'd all be using their own numbering system.

I remember on the old ITF-online and ITF-info forums guys used to sign off the end of a post with their cert numbers, very funny. I never got an ITF cert in the end, so I had no number is add after my name.

mark.leonard

Tim_Murphy wrote: »

Prior to the split in the ITF all ITF certs had a unique number, so guys in the INTA and AITA would have been issued with these, so it wasn't just the RITA. Nowadays with 3 ITFs (or are there more now, I don't follow the soap opera anymore ) I'd imagine they'd all be using their own numbering system.

I remember on the old ITF-online and ITF-info forums guys used to sign off the end of a post with their cert numbers, very funny. I never got an ITF cert in the end, so I had no number is add after my name.

Apologies to the INTA and AITA for forgetting that their 6th Dans also get a pension.

Tim, I too have never had numbers to put after my name.

yomchi

The AITA is now gone and the ITA is in place. Still 3 ITF's Tim.

Mullens sports got a new batch of black belts in stock, about 600 of them. So they have the most black belts in Ireland.

Jon Mackey
IRL-3-10000000

Keggers

I'm so confused!

FruitLover

xbox36016 wrote: »

any one here a black blalt in it like me

Nope, you're unique.

I know a few black belts though.

jim o doom wrote: »

This is from a non-taekwondoo person; it's a cool looking art, but is it very practical in the street?

Depends - which street?

xbox36016

no i am not

Ger Healy

I feel so alone as I never got a number either

Ger
Ire - No Number

xbox36016

i am 7654

yomchi

Tim don't lie, you have a number after your name...

xbox36016

what

yomchi

hey Xbox,
It seems your probably a young guy so don't mind us old timers we're a bit grumpy and skeptical from time to time.
When did you get your black belt?

Tim_Murphy

The AITA is now gone and the ITA is in place. Still 3 ITF's Tim.

I'd have guessed that the number hadn't gone down, thought there might have been another one though. Did that 'Unified ITF' one ever get off the ground.

Tim don't lie, you have a number after your name...

lol

Where do you train xbox?

Tim
LUMA-10-1

PS Don't mind Jon, he's just cynical. :rolleyes:

yomchi

I think it's still going but no one pays much attention to it, then there was the ICTF which kind of stayed out of the loop.

Tim_Murphy

Jon wrote: »

I think it's still going but no one pays much attention to it, then there was the ICTF which kind of stayed out of the loop.

Had totally forgotten about that crowd. Man I'm so out of the loop since ITF-online was canned. :mad: My general productivity did go up as a result of that though. :pac:

Black Swan

2-dan WTF (Kukkiwon)

How many TKD BBs (estimated)? "Currently, Taekwondo is practiced in 188 countries with over 70 million practitioners and 4 million individuals with black belts throughout the world."
Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taekwondo

xbox36016

i am a 1st dan itf

Clive

I'm a black belt in TKD and I even have my name on mine - how cool is that!

jim o doom

FruitLover wrote: »

Nope, you're unique.

I know a few black belts though.



Depends - which street?

I know it's totally off topic - I mean in a combatative street confrontation with a possibly armed & determined attacker - say it's raining so your footwork has to be careful, because you could slip and end up with him on you that street!

yomchi

jim o doom wrote: »

I know it's totally off topic - I mean in a combatative street confrontation with a possibly armed & determined attacker - say it's raining so your footwork has to be careful, because you could slip and end up with him on you that street!

Batter him with the umbrella?

Musashi

Well I'll Be!

1-337, never knew what that meant until now!

Got to second dan under a non ITF club and kinf of lost interest for a while after that!

I would say that TKD is as good as any other MA for "the Street" if you stick to solid reverse punchs to the other guys head!

Use the fitness and stamina to wear him down and batter him!

Roper

jim o doom wrote: »

I know it's totally off topic - I mean in a combatative street confrontation with a possibly armed & determined attacker - say it's raining so your footwork has to be careful, because you could slip and end up with him on you that street!

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you train in Kenpo.


I sirs, am a proud holder of a 2nd degree black belt with AIMAA. Although I understand there's many of you ITF folk who wouldn't recognise that particular rank, and would spit on me as I walked by. But I say to you now, and without hesitation, that mine is the real Taekwondo, and all of yours is only about money...:pac:

That's the usual inter-organisational argument starter out of the way anyway.

yomchi

Roper wrote: »

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you train in Kenpo.


I sirs, am a proud holder of a 2nd degree black belt with AIMAA. Although I understand there's many of you ITF folk who wouldn't recognise that particular rank, and would spit on me as I walked by. But I say to you now, and without hesitation, that mine is the real Taekwondo, and all of yours is only about money...:pac:

That's the usual inter-organisational argument starter out of the way anyway.

Hooccckkkkk...... thheewww...... (thats meant to be spit)

FruitLover

jim o doom wrote: »

I know it's totally off topic - I mean in a combatative street confrontation with a possibly armed & determined attacker - say it's raining so your footwork has to be careful, because you could slip and end up with him on you that street!

Sounds dangerous. I'd keep away from that street.

ColinJennings

Roper I'd love to know the origin of TKD eletism - and for that matter eletism in terms of my martial art is better than yours.

When I started doing martial arts, I just went to the nearest one that suited me. It isn't as if anyone consciously decides to join a martial art based on MA politics, so why once people are in a MA for a number of years does MA politics become so 'important' when clearly it isn't.

You either like the martial art and everything that goes with it or you stop giving them your hard earned cash. I happen to like TKD, as I'm sure you did/do.

challengemaster

Yellow-tag atm..Maybe in 3-4 years.. We'll see

dlofnep

I am not a black belt I feel out of the loop. I did get a shiney green belt many a moon ago however! Green, for Ireland! Hoorah!

Ger Healy

ColinJennings wrote: »

Roper I'd love to know the origin of TKD eletism - and for that matter eletism in terms of my martial art is better than yours.

When I started doing martial arts, I just went to the nearest one that suited me. It isn't as if anyone consciously decides to join a martial art based on MA politics, so why once people are in a MA for a number of years does MA politics become so 'important' when clearly it isn't.

You either like the martial art and everything that goes with it or you stop giving them your hard earned cash. I happen to like TKD, as I'm sure you did/do.

Like you I also went to the nearest club to me it happened to be a TKD one but my decision to join wasn't based on style it was just the only one that was available to me at that time.
I agree politics isn't important until it impacts on thing that you are trying to do. And then it become‘s very important.
As for elitism in TKD as with any part of society where people are in a position of control or have a since of control over other people there will always be elitism.
For some people who are in these position of control, they want to hold on to it and so set up a system of hierarchy to ensure that status quo remains intact.

These hierarchy are required, it’s just that for some people power can leads to corruption.

But like you said you can “stop giving them your hard earned cash”.

pma-ire

mark.leonard wrote: »

Apologies to the INTA and AITA for forgetting that their 6th Dans also get a pension.

Tim, I too have never had numbers to put after my name.

Hang on Mark!

Our certs had numbers in the corners!

They were just cert numbers, but still counted as to how far down the ladder we were

yomchi

pma-ire wrote: »

Hang on Mark!

Our certs had numbers in the corners!

They were just cert numbers, but still counted as to how far down the ladder we were

£5.99 doesn't count

Tim_Murphy

Like you I also went to the nearest club to me it happened to be a TKD one but my decision to join wasn't based on style it was just the only one that was available to me at that time.
I agree politics isn't important until it impacts on thing that you are trying to do. And then it become‘s very important.
As for elitism in TKD as with any part of society where people are in a position of control or have a since of control over other people there will always be elitism.
For some people who are in these position of control, they want to hold on to it and so set up a system of hierarchy to ensure that status quo remains intact.

These hierarchy are required, it’s just that for some people power can leads to corruption.

But like you said you can “stop giving them your hard earned cash”.

+1
Exactly

Of course once people start buying into the system it's hard to get out of it, unless you are wiling to admit to yourself that your wasted a lot of time and money on unimportant things.

As most know, TKD groups tend to line up by rank at the start of training, but I've heard tales of groups lining up by cert number within the different ranks. :eek:
Jon,
Do they do this in ye're ITF seminars with Master Choi and co?

Roper

Taekwondo politics started because my Taekwondo was better than your Taekwondo and you couldn't take that.

And money.

jim o doom

Roper wrote: »

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you train in Kenpo.
quote]</p>
That would be an affirmative - I only ask because I love the high kicking arts (I am NOT a good kicker) and when I manage to attain my black in kenpo I will be definitely doing something else as an add-on; part of my kenpo thing is it's all about street, so I'm looking at stuff critically so I can decide what's a good add-on for kenpo - a lot of people go with jiujitsu - but there's plenty of locking in kenpo already, and doing all them high kicks looks like a hell of a lot of fun! - this is like 2 years down the line so I will have a lot of info by the time it's going to be important!

Wile E. Coyote

Roper wrote: »

I sirs, am a proud holder of a 2nd degree black belt with AIMAA. Although I understand there's many of you ITF folk who wouldn't recognise that particular rank, and would spit on me as I walked by.

:eek::eek::eek:

I have recently started trying with AIMAA. Is AIMAA not recognised or liked by the other federations?

Furious-Dave

jim o doom wrote: »

Roper wrote: »

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you train in Kenpo.
quote]</p>
That would be an affirmative - I only ask because I love the high kicking arts (I am NOT a good kicker) and when I manage to attain my black in kenpo I will be definitely doing something else as an add-on; part of my kenpo thing is it's all about street, so I'm looking at stuff critically so I can decide what's a good add-on for kenpo - a lot of people go with jiujitsu - but there's plenty of locking in kenpo already, and doing all them high kicks looks like a hell of a lot of fun! - this is like 2 years down the line so I will have a lot of info by the time it's going to be important!

I don't want to lead this thread off topic so I sent you a PM Jim with my opinion on what to add to Kenpo.

yomchi

Tim_Murphy wrote: »

+1
Exactly

Of course once people start buying into the system it's hard to get out of it, unless you are wiling to admit to yourself that your wasted a lot of time and money on unimportant things.

As most know, TKD groups tend to line up by rank at the start of training, but I've heard tales of groups lining up by cert number within the different ranks. :eek:
Jon,
Do they do this in ye're ITF seminars with Master Choi and co?

No Tim, certainly not by cert number. Although I've heard one or two people argue over a spot in the line because one guy got a higher mark than the other!
Master Choi doesn't even like the belt system, he says it only creates ego. He was interviewed by Combat magazine a few months back where he said a few radical things about the belt system. He'd be the type of man who would put 7th degrees down the back and beginners up the front.

pma-ire

Jon wrote: »

£5.99 doesn't count

oh i paid a lot more than that for them

pma-ire

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek:

I have recently started trying with AIMAA. Is AIMAA not recognised or liked by the other federations?

GM Cho is registered with both the ITF and WTF. But he went out on his own a long time ago.

yomchi

Was registered! He left the ITF in '74. He claims to provided Kukkiwon certification but I've never seen an AIMAA Kukkiwon cert.

Roper

Jon wrote: »

Was registered! He left the ITF in '74. He claims to provided Kukkiwon certification but I've never seen an AIMAA Kukkiwon cert.

It was in the AIMAA handbook that you could get WTF certification. No one ever seemed to bother with it although we did sometimes learn the WTF patterns and I think there was some idea that we could do the WTF comps. Can't really remember.