Commercial Vehicles and VRT

Fey!

Would anyone happen to know where I can find the VRT costs for commercial vehicles? I'm also looking for the required load bay sizes, whether or not they require a bulkhead, and what's allowable for a crewcab/combi.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks.

D.

R.O.R

Fey! wrote: »

Would anyone happen to know where I can find the VRT costs for commercial vehicles? I'm also looking for the required load bay sizes, whether or not they require a bulkhead, and what's allowable for a crewcab/combi.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks.

D.

Here is some info on crew cabs. I remember finding a very detailed document about 4 years ago at a previous employer, but can't remember where I got it from. It gave all the minimum measurements and weights to qaulify as a commercial vehicle.

I do know that whenever I had vans converted to Crew Cabs, Van Equip who carried out the conversions always went for 3.5ton LWB vans to get them classified as Category C vehicles.

Fey!

Thanks for that.

I actually took a trip down to customs at lunchtime, and they told me that in order to qualify for the €50 VRT:

a) The GVW would have to be in excess of 3,449KG (taken from the chassis plate).
b) The cargo area would need to be in excess of 45% of the length of the wheelbase
c) There would hve to be a solid bulkhead between the back seat and the cargo area, and the conversion would need to be properly done (I assume this to mean that bulkhead would be welded into place, windows would be properly vinyled, and the floor would be wood or metal).

If any of those conditions weren't met, then the VRT would be 13.3% of the OMSP.

I was using a 1993 Hilux Surf for my example, on which full VRT would be €1,098, and 13.3% would be €406. Because the GVW is only 1,890KG, it wouldn't qualify for the €50 VRT.

So, once I have the distance between the back seat and the door, I can go back to customs and confirm a VRT price.

I have a thread about this in 4x4 here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1068

matsy1

Hi, has anyone bought a van from england, for example a 05 volkswagon caddy. This is a commercial van. On ros.ie and vrt.ie is doesnt give an option on this van... Can someone please tell me how much the vrt will cost even approx cost on this van that will cost around £5000?? Some people say it will cost 50 others say 1500..

Surely most of the pick-ups, crew cabs and a lot of commercialized SUV's would come in at less than 3.5 tonnes and they are all paying the 50 euro VRT. That condition cannot be right.

Wishbone Ash

Ariah Plain Ripple wrote: »

Surely most of the pick-ups, crew cabs and a lot of commercialized SUV's would come in at less than 3.5 tonnes and they are all paying the 50 euro VRT. That condition cannot be right.

That has me puzzled also. If they were more than 3,500kgs, a category C1 licence would be required to drive them on public roads.

lifer_sean

matsy1 wrote: »

Hi, has anyone bought a van from england, for example a 05 volkswagon caddy. This is a commercial van. On ros.ie and vrt.ie is doesnt give an option on this van... Can someone please tell me how much the vrt will cost even approx cost on this van that will cost around £5000?? Some people say it will cost 50 others say 1500..

Caddy van, Berlingo, Partner etc are 50 euro VRT. Because they are on the flat rate (category C) they are not listed on ros.ie - only the category B vans (eg fiesta, 4x4s etc) that are on the 13.5% band are listed.

That's assuming it is a normal van without rear seats or side glass.

Cmar-Ireland

From section 107 of the 2001 Finance bill.

Car-derived vans, jeep-derived vans and other vans which have a gross vehicle weight (GVW) below 2,520 kilograms or a wheelbase below 2.45 metres will be classified as category B. Thus, for such a vehicle to be classified as category C, the vehicle must exceed both of these thresholds.

Guy:Incognito

lifer_sean wrote: »

Caddy van, Berlingo, Partner etc are 50 euro VRT. Because they are on the flat rate (category C) they are not listed on ros.ie - only the category B vans (eg fiesta, 4x4s etc) that are on the 13.5% band are listed.

That's assuming it is a normal van without rear seats or side glass.

That doesnt tally at all with this though:

Fey! wrote: »

Thanks for that.

I actually took a trip down to customs at lunchtime, and they told me that in order to qualify for the €50 VRT:

a) The GVW would have to be in excess of 3,449KG (taken from the chassis plate).
b) The cargo area would need to be in excess of 45% of the length of the wheelbase
c) There would hve to be a solid bulkhead between the back seat and the cargo area, and the conversion would need to be properly done (I assume this to mean that bulkhead would be welded into place, windows would be properly vinyled, and the floor would be wood or metal).

If any of those conditions weren't met, then the VRT would be 13.3% of the OMSP.

I was using a 1993 Hilux Surf for my example, on which full VRT would be €1,098, and 13.3% would be €406. Because the GVW is only 1,890KG, it wouldn't qualify for the €50 VRT.

So, once I have the distance between the back seat and the door, I can go back to customs and confirm a VRT price.

I have a thread about this in 4x4 here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1068

Eric Cartman

the GVW requirement is 2450KG for 50 euro VRT and a wheelbase above 2.4 meters with atleast 45% cargo capacity

matsy1

Still confused, a caddy, just a normal caddy, no back seats.. just a van.. I dont know how much it weighs or anything. I rang the vrt place today and they couldnt give me an answer without the reg number which i dont have because i haven't bought anything yet..

R.O.R

matsy1 wrote: »

Still confused, a caddy, just a normal caddy, no back seats.. just a van.. I dont know how much it weighs or anything. I rang the vrt place today and they couldnt give me an answer without the reg number which i dont have because i haven't bought anything yet..

The Caddy 1.9Tdi has a GVW of 2235kg, but is listed in The Light Commercial and 4-Wheel Drive guide as a Category C. The Combo and Connect also come in under the 2450kg limit for GVW but I'm certain they qualify for €50 VRT.

I think it's because they are pure and simple Vans, rather than being car derived (converted in to vans from passenger models).

The info Fey! posted relates to Crew Cab regulations which are different to the other regulations for commercial vehicles. Seems like there are a few too many different regulations which could do with tidying up.

OP, I'd be 95% certain it qualifies for Category C and €50 VRT

matsy1

R.O.R wrote: »

The Caddy 1.9Tdi has a GVW of 2235kg, but is listed in The Light Commercial and 4-Wheel Drive guide as a Category C. The Combo and Connect also come in under the 2450kg limit for GVW but I'm certain they qualify for €50 VRT.

I think it's because they are pure and simple Vans, rather than being car derived (converted in to vans from passenger models).

The info Fey! posted relates to Crew Cab regulations which are different to the other regulations for commercial vehicles. Seems like there are a few too many different regulations which could do with tidying up.

OP, I'd be 95% certain it qualifies for Category C and €50 VRT

Appreciated

boredatwork82

Would the following vehicle fall into category B or C??
Thanks
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/advert+search/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-

edit - link doesn't seem to work. it is a mitshibishi shogun sport commercial.

boredatwork82

boredatwork82 wrote: »

Would the following vehicle fall into category B or C??
Thanks
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/advert+search/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-

edit - link doesn't seem to work. it is a mitshibishi shogun sport commercial.

If the back seats are removed a Shogun sport would qualify for 50 euro VRT.

boredatwork82

cool, Thanks Nox

tinofapples

If the back seats are removed a Shogun sport would qualify for 50 euro VRT.

Is that for sure ?

tinofapples

tinofapples wrote: »

Is that for sure ?

Yes I'm positive, L200 crew cabs qualify for 50euro VRT so a commercial Shogun/pajero would have to also.

If you are thinking of removing the seats of a passenger model it has to be done correctly by an approved garage i.e in a way that cannot be reversed again.

Eric Cartman

Ariah Plain Ripple wrote: »

Yes I'm positive, L200 crew cabs qualify for 50euro VRT so a commercial Shogun/pajero would have to also.

If you are thinking of removing the seats of a passenger model it has to be done correctly by an approved garage i.e in a way that cannot be reversed again.

you can do that yourself, if they bolt in, put the bolts half way back in, grind therest flat to the floor do it cant be removed, if the bolts come out of the floor and the seats are held on with nuts just grind the bolts off, do the same for the seatbelt mounts

also a toyota hi-lux crewcab and and the D-MAX crewcabs are 13.3% VRT

S'

Right I have a question that I have being thinking about quite a while now and see no reason why this car cannot be converted to a van.

Its a 3.2 litre VW Golf with 250bhp, now if I took it to NVD to carry out the conversion will it pass the DOE and paid the low tax aswell?

I have attached the revenue VRT quote as well.

gofaster_s13

Yes you can but you will be seriously devalueing the vehicle and you will probably have a very limited market when it comes time to sell up. Also be aware that these van converted vehicles are not manufacturer approved and if you do the conversion you could affect your warranty ie blown ECU being blamed on welding in rear floor.

S'

gofaster_s13 wrote: »

Yes you can but you will be seriously devalueing the vehicle and you will probably have a very limited market when it comes time to sell up. Also be aware that these van converted vehicles are not manufacturer approved and if you do the conversion you could affect your warranty ie blown ECU being blamed on welding in rear floor.

Yes I see where your coming from, it is a risk but I could have one on the road for 16k euros.
I am VAT registered so I can clam 21% of the cost of the car.
It's tempting:rolleyes:

gofaster_s13

Cheapest solution would be to pay the 2818vrt and after registering the car you can change it to commercial tax by just removing the rear seats and seat belts and filling the holes with chemical metal no need for welding in floors or blanking back windows, just weigh car get DOE test and enjoy cheap commercial motoring(also very easy to convert back to car when time comes to sell)

Guy:Incognito

gofaster_s13 wrote: »

Cheapest solution would be to pay the 2818vrt and after registering the car you can change it to commercial tax by just removing the rear seats and seat belts and filling the holes with chemical metal no need for welding in floors or blanking back windows, just weigh car get DOE test and enjoy cheap commercial motoring(also very easy to convert back to car when time comes to sell)

Getting the lower rate of vrt is dependent on the convertion already being done.

gofaster_s13

Stekelly wrote: »

Getting the lower rate of vrt is dependent on the convertion already being done.

Just reread the attachment, my mistake:o

evosteo

hi all i was just reading through the thread and noticed that nox i think it was said that the mitsubishi l200 crew cab qualifies for the 50 euro vrt. is this correct? do u have any evidence? im only asking because i was nearly sure that it only qualifies for the 13.5% vrt.i do know that the l200 single cab quilifies for the 50 euro vrt but the crew cab? iv been thinkering with the idea of going up the north or over on a ferry to get my self one. i was particulary interested in a warrior model from 2002-2005. they seem to be going for around £6000 over in the uk. also would i need to pay any other charges apart from vrt if i decided to get 1?

murpheous81

What would the vrt be on a vw transporter or renault trafic? Help would be appreicated. Cheers

R.O.R

evosteo wrote: »

hi all i was just reading through the thread and noticed that nox i think it was said that the mitsubishi l200 crew cab qualifies for the 50 euro vrt. is this correct? do u have any evidence? im only asking because i was nearly sure that it only qualifies for the 13.5% vrt.i do know that the l200 single cab quilifies for the 50 euro vrt but the crew cab? iv been thinkering with the idea of going up the north or over on a ferry to get my self one. i was particulary interested in a warrior model from 2002-2005. they seem to be going for around £6000 over in the uk. also would i need to pay any other charges apart from vrt if i decided to get 1?

Unless the rear seats have been removed, the L200 crew cab is a category B vehicle and liable for 13.5% VRT.

I don't think any of the imported crew cabs (except the Defender 130) come in to Category C. The D-Max and Navara have uprated suspension for Ireland to bring the GVW above the threshold and bring them in at €50 VRT.

R.O.R

murpheous81 wrote: »

What would the vrt be on a vw transporter or renault trafic? Help would be appreicated. Cheers

Both are vans and come in at the flat rate of €50 VRT - presuming they are not crew cabbed versions.

You might want to check local pricing though as the van market is on it's knees in the Republic, so there are good bargains to be had down here.

Big Nasty

I know this is an old thread but it's relevant to my question:

Has anyone heard anything about the €50 VRT rate being changed for commercial vehicles from next year?

Eric Cartman

MCMLXXV wrote: »

I know this is an old thread but it's relevant to my question:

Has anyone heard anything about the €50 VRT rate being changed for commercial vehicles from next year?

no but you now have we both scared and angry,

Big Nasty

Eric Cartman wrote: »

no but you now have we both scared and angry,

A good knowledgeable mechanic friend was telling me this earlier, I was immediately sceptic as I would usually hear of changes like this prior to him, especially as a boards motors user. He was in now way doubtful of the information but yet I haven't been able to find any confirmation online.

Eric Cartman

what kind of increase was he talking about ? thousands , or a percentage or ?

Big Nasty

Eric Cartman wrote: »

what kind of increase was he talking about ? thousands , or a percentage or ?

Wasn't sure of the actual rate changes, just that the €50 VRT rate was being phased out.

Anyone else heard anything?

R.O.R

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Wasn't sure of the actual rate changes, just that the €50 VRT rate was being phased out.

Anyone else heard anything?

My LandRover supplier mentioned this to me on Thursday - first I'd heard as well.


The 50e rate on car based commercials will be done away with and they'll all be subject to 13.5% VRT.

50e rate for proper vans will stay in place.

That's only from a conversation with the dealer, but since someone else has mentioned it, I'd say there is something to it..

What happens with Crew Cabs I don't know, but I'd guess they will all go to 13.5%.

Might be good news for those buying a car based commercial this year as the price will rise next year which should keep the resale values relatively high.

feeneyo

anyone know how to get away from payin the vat on a second hand van?
thanks

-Chris-

This is an old thread

This is not a thread about VAT, so your query is off-topic

Your query is (or seems to be) about avoiding tax, which is not a kosher query on this forum


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