rules question

kingshankly · 26-09-2008 12:40pm #1

lads what happens if you knock your ball of it's tee when feeing up do you recieve a penalty can you tee up again? Note I would never expect an oponent to take a penalty but would like to know the official ruling in case I do it some day

Paulusmaximus · 26-09-2008 12:53pm

If you accidently knock the ball off the tee you are allowed retee it without penalty.

for it to be a penalty you would have to address the ball and begin your swing.

Also, if, in the process of addressing the ball you accidently knock it off the tee, its no penalty either.

This rule is only applicable from the tee off, once the ball is in play if you accidently hit the ball or move it from its position a penalty will occur.

FlutterinBantam · 26-09-2008 12:53pm

Yes is the short answer to that.

Unless of course you were taking a swipe at the ball.;)

Don't really understand the "opponent" bit, but if a penalty is accrued,a penalty is accrued.

We can't agree to disregard the rules of golf in competitions.

ShriekingSheet · 26-09-2008 12:56pm

kingshankly wrote: »

lads what happens if you knock your ball of it's tee when feeing up do you recieve a penalty can you tee up again? Note I would never expect an oponent to take a penalty but would like to know the official ruling in case I do it some day

No penalty.

The ball isn't in play until you've made a stroke (an effort to play the ball). Unintentionally knocking it off the tee is no penalty - just tee it back up.

If you swing up and then have a fresh air that counts as a shot because you've made a stroke.

Also, if you swing to the top and the ball falls of the tee you have to try hit it - because you've started your stroke and the ball moves it's in play.

Obviously, this only goes for the teeing ground. On the fairway if you tip the ball with the club at address its a shot.

kingshankly · 26-09-2008 12:59pm

Paulusmaximus wrote: »

If you accidently knock the ball off the tee you are allowed retee it without penalty.

for it to be a penalty you would have to address the ball and begin your swing.

Also, if, in the process of addressing the ball you accidently knock it off the tee, its no penalty either.

This rule is only applicable from the tee off, once the ball is in play if you accidently hit the ball or move it from its position a penalty will occur.

cheers Paul that answers it

Mister Sifter · 26-09-2008 1:00pm

Just so you know, if this every happens to someone you are playing with it is a rule that just after the ball falls off tee you must say "one".

26-09-2008 1:01pm

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Also, if you swing to the top and the ball falls of the tee you have to try hit it - because you've started your stroke and the ball moves it's in play.
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Did something like that not happen to Tiger at one stage (think it was a bee rather than the ball falling off the tee), he stopped at his backswing and didn't incurr a penalty?

1916

ShriekingSheet · 26-09-2008 1:10pm

Graeme1982 wrote: »

Just so you know, if this every happens to someone you are playing with it is a rule that just after the ball falls off tee you must say "one".

I hate you, and everyone of your ilk

Paulusmaximus · 26-09-2008 1:10pm

1916 wrote: »

Did something like that not happen to Tiger at one stage (think it was a bee rather than the ball falling off the tee), he stopped at his backswing and didn't incurr a penalty?

1916

If you stop your swing and don't then make an attempt to hit the ball then it is not a penalty. If you swing, the ball falls off the tee and you miss the ball, it is considered a shot.

ShriekingSheet · 26-09-2008 1:12pm

1916 wrote: »

Did something like that not happen to Tiger at one stage (think it was a bee rather than the ball falling off the tee), he stopped at his backswing and didn't incurr a penalty?

1916

Yeah it's something he does quite a bit. I assume it's a technicality - like if you don't make a stroke toward the ball and it doesn't move it's not a shot.

So if you swing up (not down) and it falls off the tee it's a shot cos the ball moved.

And a fresh air counts cos you've swung at the ball.

I don't know to be honest but they're my guesses.

Paulusmaximus · 26-09-2008 1:22pm

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Yeah it's something he does quite a bit. I assume it's a technicality - like if you don't make a stroke toward the ball and it doesn't move it's not a shot.

So if you swing up (not down) and it falls off the tee it's a shot cos the ball moved. no its not a shot. if you can stop your swing you are not penalised or considered to have taken a shot.

And a fresh air counts cos you've swung at the ball. Correct.

I don't know to be honest but they're my guesses.

answered!

26-09-2008 1:33pm

So I guess the key is just to have a nice slow backswing so that you have time to react, or is that just good advice regardless..

1916

stringy · 26-09-2008 1:53pm

if the ball moves on the green, while your putter is resting on the ground behind the ball but not touching and you haven't made a swing, what's the story?

if an area both sides of a water hazard are clearly fenced off and marked GUR, does this include the hazard?

ShriekingSheet · 26-09-2008 1:58pm

if a tree falls in the woods...

fullstop · 26-09-2008 2:15pm

stringy wrote: »

if the ball moves on the green, while your putter is resting on the ground behind the ball but not touching and you haven't made a swing, what's the story?if an area both sides of a water hazard are clearly fenced off and marked GUR, does this include the hazard?

Penalty of one stroke and you must replace the ball.

Second part, I don't really know, depends what kind of hazard, a bunker or a water hazard?

Paulusmaximus · 26-09-2008 2:53pm

stringy wrote: »

if the ball moves on the green, while your putter is resting on the ground behind the ball but not touching and you haven't made a swing, what's the story?

if an area both sides of a water hazard are clearly fenced off and marked GUR, does this include the hazard?

If hazard is still marked as a hazard (stakes or lines) then it is a hazard, otherwise it would be safe to assume that it is GUR. There should be a notice in the clubhouse or on the first tee for that part of the course as it is quite unusual and confusing.

Myksyk · 26-09-2008 5:31pm

Also, just to beat the first question to death entirely, it is not a penalty if you take a practice swing and knock the ball down the fairway or an inch off the tee. The 'intention' to hit the ball is fundamental. If you didn't intend to hit it then you are not penalised. As has already been said this only refers to the teebox as the ball is not yet 'in play'.

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