Pride

a147pro

A lad once said to me in a live game that I let my ego get in the way in hands. Sometimes when I'm playing online I feel that when I fold I'm getting bossed around, like other players at the table are laughing at me, like they think I'm weak. This invariably leads me to 'draw a line in the sand' and make a bad call over a 3bet with A6. Obv sometimes I am, quite correctly, just drawing a line in the sand and calling cos I simply cannot fold again, but I think there's an unnecessary element of pride there as well.

Does anyone else ever feel this? Is this merely the mark of a bad player?

pok3rplaya

Emotion is bad for poker. Drawing a line in the sand is nessecary sometimes, but only because xyz conditions are met, not because you feel a certain way.

Macspower

It is necessary at times to take a stand.... for example I sometimes decide after folding to several 3 bets from a player ... the next time he does that I get it in regardless..... he normally has AA when I do it though

a147pro

pok3rplaya wrote: »

Emotion is bad for poker.

I think I'm going to make this my new rule.

Sang froid, in every sense, is prob what makes the best players

thedini

if ur feeling bullied(under pressure) at the tables, move tables or drop down a level. Its probably because u are being outplayed.

nicnicnic

what Pok3rplaya says "don't bring your emotions to the table"

DeVore

The other thing to consider is, how are you finding your raises constantly being snapped off? Perhaps your % pf raise is very high and you they are finding you with hands you cant call with. I wont be tempted to "draw a line in the sand" with A6 because (by and large) I wont have called with A6 in the first place. (Something I learned from HJ here in fact ... never say I completely ignore him ). Its something you might want to consider.

DeV.

Flushdraw

I know where the OP is coming from but the A6 scenario isnt a hand to make a stand with. What i tend to do a lot of time (personally it stops me from tilting) is when i raise with a bag of spanners, i'll click the "fold to any bet" box so if they 3bet, i instafold and it just shows them and myself, that it was a pure move and didnt affect me in any way.

What gets me, is maybe this happens from LP twice in a row, then you get a hand like AJs or 77s and make the same bet, then the 3bet comes, i'll usually 4bet these and run into a bigger hand, whereas if my raises hadnt been snapped off previously, i can easily let these go, situation depending. (tournament play btw)

[nicK]

calling 3bets with hands like a6 is a pretty bad way to 'draw a line in the sand imo', especially given that you're most likely gonna play fit or fold on most flops and continue to get run over..

it isn't overly terrible against very loose 3betters provided you're capable of making moves on good boards, but i generally 4bet/fold these types of hands against a wide 3bet range..

Hosef

Drawing a line in the sand for emotional reasons is usually the worst way to counteract getting run over (I know from experience )

The simplest and most effective method for dealing with tough tables like that is simply to move tables. Personally, this was possibly the most valuable lesson I ever learned in online poker!

If that's not an option, eg in a tournament, then as devore said it's better to adjust your game, tighten up, stop raising as loosely etc.
Fact is, with the reliance on tracking software and HUDs, a lot of the tough players you are up against are multitabling and playing your profile and will not notice if you change gears

flushje

Disipline is the most important thing, which I severly lack, If i had disipline id be a world champion already

hotspur

How is calling a 3 bet with A6 drawing a line in the sand? It's more akin to blocking your opponent's route to your stack by removing your clothes and bending over in front of it declaring: "If you want my stack buddy you're gonna have to buttf*** me to get it".

a147pro

I'm only using the A6 as an example, I know its not a good idea to be calling a repush with it. Im just wondering if other people, having raise folded or 3 bet folded once or twice at the same table, ever feel pride fcking with them (to quote Pulp Fiction) making them make a stupid all in call. I know its wrong I'm just wondering does anyone else feel this?

I'm toalking about MTTs BTW not cash so moving tables / levels is irrelevant. The answer, as above, is to not let emotion in, and possibly tighten my raising range.

Come to think of it my girlfriend would often watch me over my shoulder and tut tut when I was raising with 73 and say things like 'Don't let it get personal' when I was calling someone else a cnut for coming over the top of me, so I'm clearly wasting my time asking you lads :pac: . Is there anything women dont know?

DEmeant0r

I'm mostly a cash Omaha player, but whenever i've had a few (3+/4+) stack sized suckouts done to me in a row, I usually log off, have a smoke and stop playing for a while, this stops me from tilting away my bankroll, lol. Obviously this can't really apply for tournaments (3/4 suckouts would probably mean you're out of the tourney ), but use your head, not your emotions.

BigCityBanker

comes before a fall.

Grafter

The google ads I'm getting for this thread are for gay escorts and lesbian chat :rolleyes: :eek:

H8GHOTI

a147pro wrote: »

I know its wrong I'm just wondering does anyone else feel this?

Yes

a147pro wrote: »

Come to think of it my girlfriend would often watch me over my shoulder and tut tut when I was raising with 73 and say things like 'Don't let it get personal'

That's so much better advice than "Hurry up. I want to go on Facebook"

a147pro wrote: »

Is there anything women dont know?

No

YULETIRED

a147pro wrote: »

:pac: . Is there anything women dont know?

Women now understand the Offside rule, so they offically now KNOW EVERYTHING.
How it was explained to them......use this next time your girlfirend asks you.
You're in a shoe shop, second in the queue for the till. Behind the shop assistant on the till is a pair of shoes which you have seen and which you must have.
The female shopper in front of you has seen them also and is eyeing them with desire. Both of you have forgotten your purses.
It would be rude to push in front of the first woman if you had no money to pay for the shoes.
The shop assistant remains at the till waiting.
Your friend is trying on another pair of shoes at the back of the shop and sees your dilemma.
She prepares to throw her purse to you.
If she does so, you can catch the purse, then walk round the other shopper and buy the shoes!
At a pinch she could throw the purse ahead of the other shopper and "whilst it is in flight" you could nip around the other shopper, catch the purse and buy the shoes!
BUT, you must always remember that until the purse has "actually been thrown", it would be plain wrong for you to be in front of the other shopper and you would be OFFSIDE!

a147pro

notwithstanding the above lessons I busted a big stack in precisely the same way again tonight;

PokerStars Game #20664558281: Tournament #109499717, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2008/09/24 17:07:22 ET
Table '109499717 21' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: peanut337 (12575 in chips)
Seat 2: freydlie76 (13685 in chips)
Seat 3: Roolender (17917 in chips)
Seat 4: Cashboenter (47490 in chips)
Seat 5: LOSER (23405 in chips)
Seat 6: fishbones11 (20360 in chips)
Seat 7: jackjonnes (30830 in chips)
Seat 8: NikolaM34 (31317 in chips)
Seat 9: Echo01 (17230 in chips)

jackjonnes: posts small blind 400
NikolaM34: posts big blind 800

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LOSER [Ah 9c]
Echo01: folds
peanut337: folds
freydlie76: folds
Roolender: folds
Cashboenter: folds
LOSER: raises 1200 to 2000
freydlie76 is connected
fishbones11: folds
jackjonnes: raises 5200 to 7200
NikolaM34: folds
LOSER: raises 16130 to 23330 and is all-in
jackjonnes: calls 16130
*** FLOP *** [5d Ac Td]
*** TURN *** [5d Ac Td] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [5d Ac Td 4h] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jackjonnes: shows [As Kh] (a pair of Aces)
LOSER: shows [Ah 9c] (a pair of Aces - lower kicker)
jackjonnes collected 48135 from pot

He had played back at me when I raised from LP literally 3 times since he was moved to the table. I had been playing a lot of hands and had open pushed with 22 on a J66 flop with heavy betting pre. I had raised folded in LP a bit.

Don't actually think it was emotional. When I raised I said if he reraises I'm pushing because he simply cannot turn up with a hand that often.

I hate the way I'm playing lately.

gonna post this in the hand history in any event

a147pro

TBH didn't even look at the raise size and I think if I had I would have put him on a hand. literally while I was moving the raise slider I said if he comes back over the top I'm pushing

NickyOD

I don't think emotions in general are bad for poker. Just the negative ones. Make a conscious decision to always play poker with a smile on your face and then those negative emotions won't get in the way of your game.

a147pro

NickyOD wrote: »

I don't think emotions in general are bad for poker. Just the negative ones. Make a conscious decision to always play poker with a smile on your face and then those negative emotions won't get in the way of your game.

come on Nicky this isn't Ricky Lake