Population Control

Kernel

Kevin Myers wrote a controversial article recently in the Irish Independent which got me thinking. This thought process mixed with my own conspiracy theory readings and general knowledge (my own unique worldview as Diogenes would put it), and it gave me an idea for a thread for which I would like some opinions from the posters in this forum (well, it will probably degenerate to a flame war, but I digress).

The article by Myers speculated that the situation in Africa - particularly famine afflicted Ethiopia, is largely caused by charity from the West encouraging an unnatural birthrate. Unnatural in the sense that the farmlands, resources and economy of Ethiopia could not support a large population, but guess what? Since Live Aid etc. the population has exploded in Ethiopia and the country now faces another famine. Myers speculated that famines are a natural process to control population and harmonise a region by lowering the population to such an extent as to be self-supporting. I agree with this, after much thought. Certainly there are other factors including natural disasters and political leadership.

Now, onto the conspiracy. If one is to believe an agenda of the NWO, according to the Georgia Guidestones (which btw, I amnot convinced as to the authenticity of) is to reduce the global population to around 800 million, this would involve the culling of billions of people. Let's face it, there are only so many resources on this planet of ours, and once they're gone, we're pretty much donald ducked. In a way population control makes sense. The logic being, why allow 50 children to be born into abject poverty and suffering when you could have 1 child born into a world in which they can live in harmony, receiving a proper amount of resources and assistance. Hitler used sterilisation to achieve this social modelling, believing that by sterilising the 'impure' using the popular concept of Eugenics at the time, that he would be saving countless future generations of suffering and social problems. Obviously, he then decided to also focus on races which he disliked, and went to a concentration camp model to achieve his goals faster (and more inhumanely).

I have posted a thread here before stating my belief that there is evidence to suggest that AIDS was engineered and spread in Africa as a method of population control. I also believe that, despite market interests in increased availability of labour and consumers, that the population problem is coming to a head, and will be addressed in the future. I would like to know your opinions on this. Do you agree it is a problem? Do you think something should be done? If so, what? And what form do you believe the NWO (remember that decades ago, Henry Kissinger, a person who is believed to have strong NWO links, put forward a memo asking for solutions to the population problem) will take to address this issue?

Me? I think H5N1 could be one possibility, as a flu virus is an excellent way to spread death through the weaker people of the world. A huge war could be another, although I don't see that likely at this moment in time. Anyway, I hope this might encourage some speculation here rather than the usual arguments.

Nick_oliveri

Yes population is a problem. I cant see why people use the one child argument as a put down for the chinese regime, oppressive and suppressive as they may be. When you think about it, there hasn't been an International mushroom cloud war yet, im not suggesting this as a solution, but the chances are its in the horizon should two superpowers ever clash "unlikely"? i think not.

As with global warming we are the cause of our own misfortunes. As Agent Smith put it, "a virus". Except we are not in labratory conditions in a bacteria pot, we are on a planet with most of the surrounding space unreachable.

With China there are many alternatives with most of them not being too pretty. Castration, extermination, abortion or a certain amount of children per family. Can anybody suggest alternatives? If not, the one child rule seems pretty tame compared to most of the other solutions and we could see it hit our shores in the near future(children of men situation aside.)

,8,1

No population is not a problem and humans are not a "virus". That is sick, narcissistic thinking. In actual fact, the developed world faces steep depopulation. Free labour migration has led to developing countries not developing but simply becoming labour pools for the West to import from when we need workers. The prospects for prosperity in both the developed and developing world are better if we avoid the self-destructive "do not re-populate" mindset.

Diogenes

Kernel wrote: »

I have posted a thread here before stating my belief that there is evidence to suggest that AIDS was engineered and spread in Africa as a method of population control. I also believe that, despite market interests in increased availability of labour and consumers, that the population problem is coming to a head, and will be addressed in the future. I would like to know your opinions on this. Do you agree it is a problem? Do you think something should be done? If so, what? And what form do you believe the NWO (remember that decades ago, Henry Kissinger, a person who is believed to have strong NWO links, put forward a memo asking for solutions to the population problem) will take to address this issue?

I'm sorry the guardian won (by the claimant dropping) a libel case by one of those "vitamin can cure aids asshole wannabe doctors, this weekend. They "guardian" had launched an intelligent and credible campaign pointing out the flaws in Vitamin based aids treatment.

Now, if your theory is true then surely campaigns exposing the flaws in the campaign trying to expose the idiocy among the general public wouldn't be in the NWO's intrest.

Once again Kernal your theory is divergent from the reality.

iPlop

ASPARTAME which is a sugar alternitive has been found to cause all sorts of tumers and is being blamed for the massive rise in diabeties and cancers worldwide.I don't buy anyting containing it ansd thats pretty hard.It's widely believed to be part of the population control agenda

http://www.naturalnews.com/011804.html

kryogen

can you gimme a quick list of products that contain aspartame?

Kernel

,8,1 wrote: »

No population is not a problem and humans are not a "virus". That is sick, narcissistic thinking. In actual fact, the developed world faces steep depopulation. Free labour migration has led to developing countries not developing but simply becoming labour pools for the West to import from when we need workers. The prospects for prosperity in both the developed and developing world are better if we avoid the self-destructive "do not re-populate" mindset.

Population growth is a serious problem! The resources we have at our disposal on Earth are finite.

Diogenes wrote:

I'm sorry the guardian won (by the claimant dropping) a libel case by one of those "vitamin can cure aids asshole wannabe doctors, this weekend. They "guardian" had launched an intelligent and credible campaign pointing out the flaws in Vitamin based aids treatment.

Now, if your theory is true then surely campaigns exposing the flaws in the campaign trying to expose the idiocy among the general public wouldn't be in the NWO's intrest.

Once again Kernal your theory is divergent from the reality.

Try to stay on topic. I'm sure the NWO would not concern itself with a mere libel case like this. And no need for the usual cheap shots at the end either.

Kernel

kryogen wrote: »

can you gimme a quick list of products that contain aspartame?

It's a sugar replacement product/sweetener found in diet drinks such as Diet Coke, and probably many other products. Google is your friend here.

kryogen

yeah i googled but i cant really find a list, i read about i tbeing in the diet drinks and that but i wouldnt drink them anyway, just interested to see if i would consume alot of it, i dont use sugar alternatives on purpose or anything so i would be surprised if i consumed much

Kernel

kryogen wrote: »

yeah i googled but i cant really find a list, i read about i tbeing in the diet drinks and that but i wouldnt drink them anyway, just interested to see if i would consume alot of it, i dont use sugar alternatives on purpose or anything so i would be surprised if i consumed much

Try here:

http://www.aspartame.org/aspartame_products.html

or:

http://www.aspartame.info/links/products.html

I just googled 'aspartame products'.

,8,1

yeah i googled but i cant really find a list, i read about i tbeing in the diet drinks and that but i wouldnt drink them anyway, just interested to see if i would consume alot of it, i dont use sugar alternatives on purpose or anything so i would be surprised if i consumed much

Basically anything which is labeled "sugar-free" probably contains aspartame. For example "diet" soft drinks of any sort, nearly all chewing gum, "light" yoghurts and some medication. Luckily you will find aspartame or its relevant E number (E951) listed on the packaging.

I'd stay well away from aspartame; don't trust anything made by Monsanto Inc. or Donald Rumsfeld.

While you're at it, I'd recommend avoiding monosodium glutamate (MSG: E620, E621) aswell; though it's much less of a neurological hazard. It's of particular concern for infants as it may cause obesity by interfering with the development of the hypothalamus.

EamonnKeane

Septic Leper wrote: »

ASPARTAME which is a sugar alternitive has been found to cause all sorts of tumers and is being blamed for the massive rise in diabeties and cancers worldwide.I don't buy anyting containing it ansd thats pretty hard.It's widely believed to be part of the population control agenda

http://www.naturalnews.com/011804.html

Aspartame is a sweetener. A fraction of a gram is enough to sweeten a whole bottle of Diet Coke. It isn't a sugar alternative and the links to lymphoma are put forward by labs funded by the sugar industry. It couldn't possibly cause cancer. newly affluent middle classes in the developing world who can afford fast food, soft drinks and cars are the reason for the rise in obesity

DubTony

re Aspartame. Some of you will remember ads for NutraSweet a few years ago. I believe that NutraSweet's primary ingredient is aspartame and was the most used sweetener on the planet.

Re Population control. During the next few decades there will be attempts to control population but will obviously see massive resistance. Unless the "powers that be" can dumb us down enough to accept that our all knowing and wise leaders are all good and have only our interests at heart, it's unlikely that it will happen in any way that would be seen by the world's population as acceptable. The most likely ways this will happen are through wars, massive civil unrest i.e. ferocious riots, and "plague" type viruses and bugs crossing the world without hindrance.

Antibiotics, we are told, are becoming less useful when dealing with the latest superbugs. I imagine an airborne strain of something as deadly as MRSA, will work it's way through the populace at a rapid pace. Whether or not it's "helped" on it's way is a whole other theory.

Diogenes

Kernel wrote: »

Try to stay on topic. I'm sure the NWO would not concern itself with a mere libel case like this. And no need for the usual cheap shots at the end either.

It's not a "cheap shot", you... Claims that anti retroviral drugs are making people sick are a key point of these idiots claims. As are claims that AIDS is a western plan to depopulate africa. Medicine San Frontiers has to deal with the same nonsense when they hand out free anti retroviral medicine in the developing world. There is a reason why AIDs/HIV isn't crippling the west's medical services it's because we've developed treatments that manage AIDs. You're arguing the same claims as people who argue that sex with a virgin cures aids. Its reprehensible.

Hey Kernel one of of your dodgy AIDs as a disease feckers just lost about 200k sterling this week abandoning his libel case against the Guardian. Why don't you, for a change, put your money where your mouth is and

I have posted a thread here before stating my belief that there is evidence to suggest that AIDS was engineered and spread in Africa as a method of population control.

I've spent the last few days chatting to a friend of mine who works for Mary Robinson and the UN dealing with women in the developing world and AIDs, I'd love to have this chat based on the facts on the ground.

Or are you just going to run away, again?

derry

Overpopulation is a Myth invented to allow the process of extermination of the bulk of the human race so that a small elite can remain in control

A amount of 2 billion is the target they aim for

They fear that a world population doubling in the short future could become too uncontollable and the elite who pull all the major strings in the financial systems presentily would be thinnly spread out to effect the depopulation plan

The way to recognize all the sponsors of this mass extermination is they have oddles of false proof why the the world is over populated
The often come from top white man universities

They sit in sububia and bitch that they cant have nice pad beside the beach because thier part of the world Holland or Dublin whatever is overpopulated

These are the same universities that propaged the racist ideas which hilter later used for his exterminaton policy

Remember Hitler didn't invent that super race crap he just took the ideas and used them and proved that bad ideas can become lethal

However vast tracts of Africa are mostly empty

There is a beech from west cost Maratania to Senegal 2000 miles of empty beech if university gob ****s want a empty beech to go to

The majority of Africa is seriously underpopulated with towns hundreds of miles between them making life expensive with extra costs of transport and ten times the population in those countries would make those countries staart to work as economic units

Basic lesson 3/4 of the planet is water and nobody live there now and with tecknology it is possible to move onto the sea and expand the worlds population way past our present amount anything iup to 1000 times the population can be sustained

Basic lesson is all the world present population of ~7billion plus can if put all in one spot in the planet standing side by side would only occupy the UK Isle of white a tiny tiny tiny island on the planet which represents a lot less than 1/20,000 part of the planet

Therefore we still got to populate at least 5000/20,000 of the surface of the earth before there is a lack of room on beaches or over population

Any way the best beech parties are crowded parties

Resourses world wide are immence
Coal reserves are 500 years plus probaly closer to 10,000 years
Gas reserves atre immence at least 100 years probaly closer to 500 year or more
Oil reserves are closely guarded secret so that the oil companies can charge more for it pretending its scarce
But figures suggest oil reserves are closer to 100 years and probabily closer to 1000 years

Metals are all over the place and can be recyled if nessary
Iron and aluminum are abundant for maybe 100,000 years supply or nearly unlimited
Some few metals special useful metals cobal nickel etc are always tumning up somewhere so there is no sign any important metal will run out thios side of 100 years
Even gold a fairly useless metal keeps turning up all over the palce

Food production if done properly without mono crop big companies and other solution and less use of meat can feed 10 times the population of todays world without even new solutions

New solutions in the pipe line suggest 100 times the world population can be feed with a few minor inovations

The world is for all intensive purposes in the next 200 years unlimited in its abilty to feed everybody and have nobody starving in this time

So any starvation is from human made systems made to starve the victims and not from any real reasons like food is realy short
These systems we call neo nazi after the inventor Hitler who devised the methods to contol the media and make the systems that would kill the chosen victims

As for this rubbish that Ethiopia is overpopulated by charity is proof of the policy of extermination

Most of the fertile regions of Ethiopia have huge well watered farms of mono crops covering a region of more than 20 times the size of Ireland

In that region the landless poor work for buttons $1 a day or less to work for big multinatonals food companies that grow tea and coffe for export
The rest of the Ethiopian are driven of this fertile region with the help of the elite in the regime who control the army and wish to exterminate the rest of the unwanted Ethiopian who eek a living in the drought ridden regions

The charity allows those who the regime wish to exterminate to live and increase inpopulation and the elite regime fears they may one day come back and claim back the regions which were stolen from them

So tye spread this story that Charity makes famine

Reminds me of the Irish famine lots of food exported while 2 million landless families died from starvation as the big landlords got richer and richer and they introduced the concept of puplic works for food using money sent from USA to help the Irish
The british said they would not let USA give money for food for nothing as that would affect there ability to enslave the irish and took the money and dished it out iof the starving paddy weakend from hunger diod one weeks work on empty stomac
The british were happy the Irish population was halfed as it reduced the risk of revolution
Kiling 4 million in those days worked
Killing million of Africans is the new idea with the help of curropt gombeen men elite in army regimes in Africa

later they will try the same on the poor in aisai and europe and America so africa is the dry run region

With that logic 3 out of 4 Irish will need to perish and die to get the popluation of the Ireland to fit the world population target of 2 Billion

So if your not part of the 25% of the top elite in Ireland you risk to be one the 75% that will perish so backing the idea of culling the world population will catch up on you and your family also

Derry

Histrory repeats it self time after time

Kernel

Diogenes wrote: »

It's not a "cheap shot", you... Claims that anti retroviral drugs are making people sick are a key point of these idiots claims.

Yeah, but I never said anything about anti-retroviral drugs making people sick.... Polio vaccinations were historically where the AIDS virus erupted from.

Diogenes wrote: »

As are claims that AIDS is a western plan to depopulate africa. There is a reason why AIDs/HIV isn't crippling the west's medical services it's because we've developed treatments that manage AIDs.

The timeline of virus research as a biological weapon in the US, Kissingers memo on the third world population problem and the outbreaks is too coincidental to me.

Diogenes wrote: »

You're arguing the same claims as people who argue that sex with a virgin cures aids. Its reprehensible.

The two are not comparable. Suggesting reasons as to the origins of the virus is not the same as superstitions related to the treatments for it. Why try to make such a tenuous link? Oh yes, to discredit me...

Diogenes wrote: »

Hey Kernel one of of your dodgy AIDs as a disease feckers just lost about 200k sterling this week abandoning his libel case against the Guardian. Why don't you, for a change, put your money where your mouth is and

What?

Diogenes wrote: »

Or are you just going to run away, again?

Damn, that's some childish **** right there. :rolleyes:

For those interested, you may find some good links on this thread:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread360187/pg1

Smudgeyboy

I heard a recording of Henry Kissenger before stating they need something new and that AIDS is to slow...cracking trying to find it now!

People seem to forget all the **** these people have done before, we're talking about some of the worst people in history ever!

These people share Hitler's views but dont have the courage to come out and say it, instead they are arrogant enough to think they can fool whole populations!

In the early 1970's, Henry Kissinger wrote a top secret document - a National Security Memorandum ("NSM 200") - in which he indicated that "depopulation should be the highest priority of US foreign policy towards the Third World."
This Memorandum which can be obtained from the US National Archives, which was only declassified very quietly in 1990, was adopted by the National Security Council as official US foreign policy towards the Third World. Now, this is a classic example of the "secret government" in action. None of this was known to the Congress, and certainly, it was not known to the American people. Did any of you know that depopulation was considered a matter of US national security? Did any of you know that for the past 20 years, depopulation has been the highest long-range priority of US foreign policy towards the Third World?

No you didn't, because it was classified -- it was a secret

I would like to read for you just a piece of this document. It is written by Henry Kissinger:
"Reduction of the rate of population in these States is a matter of vital US national security." [National Security Memorandum, Henry Kissinger]

And we even have a map of those areas in which Kissinger indicates where depopulation would be desireable. It's all Third World countries - it's all brown people and yellow people, of course.

"The US economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less-developed countries. That fact gives the US enhanced interests in the political, economic and social stability of the supplying countries. Wherever a lessening of population can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resources, supplies and to the economic interests of the United States." [National Security Memorandum, Henry Kissinger]

Now, when Kissinger says "economic interests of the United States..." he means the interests of US corporations, which are in fact, multi-national corporations, with no loyalty to this country whatsoever. NSM 200, unlike other government documents on the subject, outlined "international and political and economic implications of population growth..." rather than its ecological or sociological aspects. Like we have been saying all along, the New World Order is a business, and the US Government is in the business of business.

Now, the next document was from the US Senate Library. It is a record of the Appropriations Hearing that was held in July of 1969, where the Department of the Army specifically requested and received $10 million to develop
"a synthetic biological agent that would impair or destroy the human immune system."

This is from the US Senate Library. We also made reference to several published articles from the World Health Organization, written about the same time, which advocated similar kinds of research toward the development of "a hybrid virus that could selectively effect the human immune system."

That's **** all too, I suggest whoever hasnt, look into it!

From http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/the_aids_conspiracy/aids-us.html

FrostyJack

So what your saying is the US government openly condoned genocide secretly, then secretly declassified the document and not one world leader noticed? Even the enemies of America? Can you send me a link to the offical site where this is mentioned? Not www.nwolizards.com/nutjobs/waltermitty

Though to back you up I found proof NWO exists NWO

Smudgeyboy

FrostyJack wrote: »

So what your saying is the US government openly condoned genocide secretly, then secretly declassified the document and not one world leader noticed? Even the enemies of America? Can you send me a link to the offical site where this is mentioned? Not www.nwolizards.com/nutjobs/waltermitty

Though to back you up I found proof NWO exists NWO

"openly condoned genocide secretly"
What?

Who are these 'enemies of America'? Venezuala? Chavez is always talking about the U.S false democracy run by the elite.

Congratulations, you were desensitised by Rupert Murdock's TV agenda, did you know he probably owns the paper you read? And lies to you?

The NWO was the coolest thing in wrestling wasnt it? Remember the catchphrase? "The NWO isnt just in wrestling, It's WORLDWIDE!" And Hulk sprays NWO on the world? ****ed Up!

Here, Frosty Jack, honestly, dont argue with me on this, you wont win and it'll take too much of my time.

If you want to know if it exists why dont you go and listen to the people who actually run the world say so. Many speeches online, google 'New World Order Speech'

FrostyJack

"openly condoned genocide secretly"
What?

Er you said Henry Kissenger wanted to depopulate the 3rd world but Aids was too slow ? The killing of ethnic population ie Africa is called genocide is it not?

Congratulations, you were desensitised by Rupert Murdock's TV agenda, did you know he probably owns the paper you read? And lies to you?

Er he owns Fox News (fair and balanced) and Sky and neither of which I watch (except O'Reilly factor to laugh at him) because they are biased and crap, so I'd say he has no hold over me.

If you want to know if it exists why dont you go and listen to the people who actually run the world say so. Many speeches online, google 'New World Order Speech'

Hmmm I foolishly did google it and nothing I read pointed to the NWO you refer to. I did find the link to wikipedia which had at the top :"This article or section contains weasel words, vague phrasing that often accompanies biased or unverifiable information." Sounds a bit like all your theories so far.....:pac:

honestly, dont argue with me on this, you wont win

Really I have the NWO on my side....I doubt you could handle Kevin Nash and Scott Hall :P

Flamed Diving

Smudgeyboy wrote: »

"Reduction of the rate of population in these States is a matter of vital US national security." [National Security Memorandum, Henry Kissinger]

What exactly is he saying in this sentence? Rate of population ... what? Growth? Decline?

John1984

I reckon that all that will happen is governments will all agree on a 1 child only policy and that will significantly reduce the population in 100 hundred years to half or less

Mahatma coat

well look at the milk crisis in China at the moment, Big coverup during the Olympics but it seems that there are FIFTYFOURTHOUSAND affected children in China.

this gets blamed on Greed and demonises the Free market, what are the odds that it was condoned if not assisted by those at the top

Kernel

John1984 wrote: »

I reckon that all that will happen is governments will all agree on a 1 child only policy and that will significantly reduce the population in 100 hundred years to half or less

What ways do you think they could enforce this?

DubTony

Easy.

Forced sterilization after first kid is born.
If somehow a second child is born it must be given for adoption.
Anyone who has twins is automatically executed as a twin couldn't be adopted without its sibling for fear the two may bump into each other later and something weird might happen. So a parent dies to enforce the addition of just one new family member rule.

Lots of ways to enforce it really.

Kama

Actual population control policies are instructive, and have been implemented on a widespread basis in the developing world for donkeys years. It was generally justfied on grounds of raising per capita income, and because the strain on services from a population boom is so massive. There was a campaign in India at one point where you got a radio for a sterilization. Incentives ftw?

On a more market-based approach, you could auction child-permits, kinda like car license plates in Singapore. Interestingly, this could be a quite progressive income transfer.


After Club of Rome/Limits to Growth, the case for population control was quite clear in policy terms, economically, in planning terms, and so on. Problem (for me) is it tends to be enforced most against poor people of darker skin colours, while sterilizing rich white folks would actually be a far better idea in terms of resource consumption, if one was actually serious about it. However, rich whiter folks tend to have more voice, power, rights basically; less so as it shades down in colour and socioeconomic status. You can look at this as a systemic consequence without real racism, or emergent from a generally racist worldview. I lean towards the 2nd.


Diogenes, you may not accept the idea that governments and elites could do programs on these lines, but things like the Tuskegee Experiment unsurprisingly lead to a certain level of informed distrust towards governments. Mind you, HIV imo came from SIV, the genetic evidence I'm told is pretty clear, though you could make an argument that a 'weaponised' SIV was introduced.

Diogenes

Kama wrote: »

Actual population control policies are instructive, and have been implemented on a widespread basis in the developing world for donkeys years. It was generally justfied on grounds of raising per capita income, and because the strain on services from a population boom is so massive. There was a campaign in India at one point where you got a radio for a sterilization. Incentives ftw?

On a more market-based approach, you could auction child-permits, kinda like car license plates in Singapore. Interestingly, this could be a quite progressive income transfer.


After Club of Rome/Limits to Growth, the case for population control was quite clear in policy terms, economically, in planning terms, and so on. Problem (for me) is it tends to be enforced most against poor people of darker skin colours, while sterilizing rich white folks would actually be a far better idea in terms of resource consumption, if one was actually serious about it. However, rich whiter folks tend to have more voice, power, rights basically; less so as it shades down in colour and socioeconomic status. You can look at this as a systemic consequence without real racism, or emergent from a generally racist worldview. I lean towards the 2nd.


Diogenes, you may not accept the idea that governments and elites could do programs on these lines, but things like the Tuskegee Experiment unsurprisingly lead to a certain level of informed distrust towards governments. Mind you, HIV imo came from SIV, the genetic evidence I'm told is pretty clear, though you could make an argument that a 'weaponised' SIV was introduced.

Theres no argument that no country has never introduced any form of population control or eugenics. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that to suggest that HIV was developed and created by the west to depopulate Africa is not only ignorant of the facts on the ground, but also dangerous to the people in Africa suffering from the disease.

When we look at the history of population control from a government there
usually a centralised system of control. No government in their right mind would release a virus that they had no control over its development and mutation.

Furthermore ignorance about the cause of the Virus is helping idiots like the South Africain government suggest "alternatives" to anti retroviral drugs that are killing thousands.

Whatever you think about 911, or JFK please STFU about AIDs this is a disease that is nearly decimating countries, and this conspiracy theories are helping.

Kernel

Diogenes wrote: »

I'm arguing that to suggest that HIV was developed and created by the west to depopulate Africa is not only ignorant of the facts on the ground, but also dangerous to the people in Africa suffering from the disease.

I'm curious as to how you reason that suggesting the Aids virus was man made could be dangerous to those suffering from the disease? Nobody is suggesting that people should stop taking anti-retrovirals or have sex with a virgin to cure the disease...

If Aids was a man made virus with the intention to spread throughout third world nations, then I would say that the weapon has been hugely effective to date when one looks at infection rates among the targeted demographic.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/90/aids-in-africa

Mahatma coat

ah the good old Emotive response - I will make you feel guilty about what you suggest so that you wont ever dig deeper - Diogeness have you ever considered for a second that it may be you who's wrong, a lot of the details about the AIDS epidemic make much more sense when viewed in this light.

but hey we'll save you a post,

"anyone who thinks AIDS is Manmade is a Holocaust Denier"

thats where you were goin with this , init

Diogenes

Kernel wrote: »

I'm curious as to how you reason that suggesting the Aids virus was man made could be dangerous to those suffering from the disease? Nobody is suggesting that people should stop taking anti-retrovirals or have sex with a virgin to cure the disease...

Yes people are.

Doctors and campaigners who have been struggling to increase the availability of Aids drugs to the 5 million HIV-infected people in South Africa are dismayed by the activities of a German-born doctor, Matthias Rath, who has reignited a life-and-death struggle in South Africa.

Dr Rath denounces Aids drugs and claims that all those who promote them are the paid lackeys of western drug companies. Vitamins, not drugs, are the cure for Aids - and cancer and diabetes too for that matter - he says, and there are those in the South African government who appear to give him credence.

He has appeared with the health minister, Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, who has made it clear she favours the healthy properties of garlic, lemon, beetroot and olive oil and will not back the use of the antiretrovirals which have stopped the death toll in the west.

Dr Rath's proclamations in full-page advertisements in the New York Times and International Herald Tribune, as well as the widely read Sowetan in South Africa, claim that Aids drugs are toxic and potentially deadly. Although the medical establishment denies his claims, the uncertainty they are creating has been deepened by the equivocal attitude of the government.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/may/14/southafrica.internationalaidanddevelopment

If Aids was a man made virus with the intention to spread throughout third world nations, then I would say that the weapon has been hugely effective to date when one looks at infection rates among the targeted demographic.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/90/aids-in-africa

Or alternatively AIDs is a deadly disease and you are spreading the lies of Con Artists who are trying to profit off this disease.

Mahatma wrote:

ah the good old Emotive response - I will make you feel guilty about what you suggest so that you wont ever dig deeper - Diogeness have you ever considered for a second that it may be you who's wrong, a lot of the details about the AIDS epidemic make much more sense when viewed in this light.

Alternatively the scientific evidence against your claim is overwhelming.

A friend of mine is back from the global AIDs conference in mexico, and to see you spread fact free bull****, bull**** that is killing thousands of people, is infuriating, and contemptable.

but hey we'll save you a post,

"anyone who thinks AIDS is Manmade is a Holocaust Denier"

thats where you were goin with this , init

Don't put words into my mouth. Hey Mahatma have you ever met an idiotic conspiracy theory you didn't swallow?

Smudgeyboy

I saw a very good documentary on AIDs, the effectiveness of the drugs and stories of people who didnt take the drugs...it was an eye opener to western medicine industry for me anyway.
It was called The Other Side of Aids, Im sure you can get it online.

Mahatma coat

OK Diogeness, show us this overwhelmin evidence i support of your position, show us how a disease found in European sheep Cross mutated to Green Monkeys in Africa and then Crossed to the human population all by itself

then consider the possibility that the disease was engineered in a lab

Kama

Well...for one thing there's a fair bit of evidence that the 'weaponised AIDS' hypothesis was Russian disinfo. Though obviously the confessions could be further cunning disinfo loops hehe.

The orthodox explanation would be that there was SIV in chimp populations in Cameroon, which was non-fatal in the original species. The virus underwent zoonosis and transferred to human populations. Yup, diseases cross species lines 'all by themselves', and have done so for longer than the Masons have worn underwear. SIV in the original chimps doesn't lead to Monkey AIDS, but when it crosses into other monkeys it produces SAIDS, and in us monkeys HIV/AIDS.

Means of transfer thought to be bushmeat, due to blood-to-blood contact. That's the orthodox 'cut hunter' story, seems to fit epidemiology and genetic evidence.

Wondering what your source is on the sheep, tbh. Guessing the green monkeys would be the Hoopers Oral Polio Vaccine hypothesis? This was investigated pretty thoroughly, and it didn't fit the facts. Ain't saying it couldn't be a weapon, but that's far from being necessary.

Diogenes

Mahatma coat wrote: »

OK Diogeness, show us this overwhelmin evidence i support of your position, show us how a disease found in European sheep Cross mutated to Green Monkeys in Africa and then Crossed to the human population all by itself

then consider the possibility that the disease was engineered in a lab

How about you show there's any evidence that it started in European sheep, then leapt into Green Monkeys.

I mean I'm asking you to support your usual fact free position.

Oh and Mahatma, I will be asking these three. follow up questions on every HIV/AIDs thread I find you posting on

1. Do you believe that AIDs/HIV was developed by a western agency.

2. Do you believe that anto retroviral drugs help combat HIV?

3. If You Answer Yes to A. and No to B. let me ask you a simple question why would western governments spend millions brings drugs into africa to combat a disease they are spreading intentially.

Kama wrote:

The orthodox explanation would be that there was SIV in chimp populations in Cameroon, which was non-fatal in the original species. The virus underwent zoonosis and transferred to human populations. Yup, diseases cross species lines 'all by themselves', and have done so for longer than the Masons have worn underwear. SIV in the original chimps doesn't lead to Monkey AIDS, but when it crosses into other monkeys it produces SAIDS, and in us monkeys HIV/AIDS.

Wondering what your source is on the sheep, tbh. Guessing the green monkeys would be the Hoopers Oral Polio Vaccine hypothesis? This was investigated pretty thoroughly, and it didn't fit the facts. Ain't saying it couldn't be a weapon, but that's far from being necessary.

Yeah those of us on this forum don't really give mahatma much credit or benefit of the doubt when it comes to facts and figures after I cited the accepted Jewish death toil of holocaust and he disputed it demanding to know if I was "a jew".(as if my ethnic background changed the facts) I'd place little credence to any of his delusional claims.

The biological leap from monkeys to humans is far more likely than a "sheep-monkey-human" cross strain. One needs only to look to the 1980s Ebola outbreak in a Washington DC monkey house to see how close we came.

derry

DubTony wrote: »

Easy.

Forced sterilization after first kid is born.
If somehow a second child is born it must be given for adoption.
Anyone who has twins is automatically executed as a twin couldn't be adopted without its sibling for fear the two may bump into each other later and something weird might happen. So a parent dies to enforce the addition of just one new family member rule.

Lots of ways to enforce it really.

So what evedence do you really have there is a overpopulation issue that you dont get from propaganda from Neo fachist Sky or Murdock controlled media or from Neo fachists white run Univercities

Overpopulation is often not to be found outside the neo fachist regimes that run Europe and USA and China as the proof is so slim that it wouldnt stand up in court of law

So any idea to contrain population through your methods is merly your desire to follow the Hilters and similar with some sort of political agenda driven with false propaganda

Remember GoBalls said say a lie eneogh times and it becomes a fact

So neo fachist Europe and USA and to some extent china say this fact to convince us twots o allow projects to wipe out populations under the flag of popultioon control

Seike HIEL should be your anthem

Derry

Kernel

Diogenes wrote: »

Yes people are.

Not on this forum or topic they aint.

Diogenes wrote: »

Or alternatively AIDs is a deadly disease and you are spreading the lies of Con Artists who are trying to profit off this disease.

Who is trying to profit from the disease and how can speculation on the origin of the disease lead people to profit from it? I really cant follow your thought process on this...

Diogenes wrote: »

Oh and Mahatma, I will be asking these three. follow up questions on every HIV/AIDs thread I find you posting on

1. Do you believe that AIDs/HIV was developed by a western agency.

2. Do you believe that anto retroviral drugs help combat HIV?

3. If You Answer Yes to A. and No to B. let me ask you a simple question why would western governments spend millions brings drugs into africa to combat a disease they are spreading intentially.

1. Yes, there is evidence to suggest it was engineered at a time when the US were working on such a virus and the Kissinger NWO branch were looking into methods to reduce the population in Africa.

2. Yes, of course.

3. Western pharmaceutical companies develop retrovirals. Why? For profit of course.

Kernel

derry wrote: »

So what evedence do you really have there is a overpopulation issue that you dont get from propaganda from Neo fachist Sky or Murdock controlled media or from Neo fachists white run Univercities

The numbers say that there is an overpopulation problem. Humans have increased in exponential numbers since indistrialisation. There are only so many resources, which we are consuming in record amounts. Eventually, everything goes !pop!. Why don't you agree with this? Do you not believe that pollution, peak oil, food crisis, rainforest deforestation and population figures are correct?

Diogenes

Kernel wrote: »

Not on this forum or topic they aint.

Yet you are propagating the lies of the people who are.

Who is trying to profit from the disease

People like Doctor Rath are. Miss that bit.

and how can speculation on the origin of the disease lead people to profit from it? I really cant follow your thought process on this...

People like Dr Rath are claiming alternative treatments are better, and selling them. Do I need to spoon feed facts to you.

1. Yes, there is evidence to suggest it was engineered at a time when the US were working on such a virus and the Kissinger NWO branch were looking into methods to reduce the population in Africa.

Okay simple question aside from a misconstrued quote from Kissenger what proof do you have?

2. Yes, of course.

3. Western pharmaceutical companies develop retrovirals. Why? For profit of course.

So Why would the West create a disease to depopulate Africa and then create a drug to combat this disease?

You and logic haven't been on speaking terms for a while?

Kernel

Diogenes wrote: »

Yet you are propagating the lies of the people who are.

Nonsense, I'm speculating as to the origins of the disease, I have said nothing about treatment ffs!

Diogenes wrote: »

People like Doctor Rath are. Miss that bit.

Dr. Rath? Who the **** is he? He isn't posting here, is he?

Diogenes wrote: »

People like Dr Rath are claiming alternative treatments are better, and selling them. Do I need to spoon feed facts to you.

Good lord, you've completely lost the plot... Who is talking about alternative treatments here apart from you?

Diogenes wrote: »

Okay simple question aside from a misconstrued quote from Kissenger what proof do you have?

I would point you to an excellent article on the whole timeline, on ATS, but the page is down at the moment. It was to be found here, I can only speculate as to when it will be fixed. Of course, no proof is ever going to be good enough for you Diogenes. :rolleyes:

Diogenes wrote: »

So Why would the West create a disease to depopulate Africa and then create a drug to combat this disease?

You and logic haven't been on speaking terms for a while?

Maybe you're having a bit of a slow day, intellectually speaking, so I'll spell it out for you again: AIDS = created by government black ops for population control. RETROVIRALS = created by western pharmaceutical corporations for profit. Logic and myself are on good terms, you're the one spinning away onto your own tangent about treatments etc. and somehow attempting to suggest I am siding with witchdoctors in Africa. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Diogenes

Kernel wrote: »

Nonsense, I'm speculating as to the origins of the disease, I have said nothing about treatment ffs!

The point is that people who claim that the US government created AIDs are the ones who peddle the alternatives.

Dr. Rath? Who the **** is he? He isn't posting here, is he?

Ah yes, you don't read about the people who spread the bull**** you peddle.

Good lord, you've completely lost the plot... Who is talking about alternative treatments here apart from you?

Okay Kernel you seem to be a moderately intelligent human being.

The people who claim that Antiretroviral drugs are the same people who offer alternative treatments.

The crap you spew doesn't exist in a vacuum.

I would point you to an excellent article on the whole timeline, on ATS, but the page is down at the moment. It was to be found here, I can only speculate as to when it will be fixed. Of course, no proof is ever going to be good enough for you Diogenes. :rolleyes:

I think I need more than a missing tread from a bull**** forum yes.

But hey you'll swallow that manure down and ask for seconds.

Maybe you're having a bit of a slow day, intellectually speaking, so I'll spell it out for you again: AIDS = created by government black ops for population control. RETROVIRALS = created by western pharmaceutical corporations for profit. Logic and myself are on good terms, you're the one spinning away onto your own tangent about treatments etc. and somehow attempting to suggest I am siding with witchdoctors in Africa. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Oh please Kernel this is getting just dense. Shall you explain who exactly designed the drugs? How the pharmaceutical industry is in bed with governments.

Simply put why then are there Western government programs to get these drugs to African nations?

Four-Too

If the food WAS being grown, Europe, Russia and America could sustain 10 times the current population that these countries now have....people are also over-eating in rich countries, there is so much land that could be used to grow food. The focus is too much on livestock (who also need grains), rather than cereal crops - in Ireland we can grow wheat, barley, potato, oats, rye perhaps, and of course fruits like apples, pears, strawberries, blackcurrants, and various types of vegetables.
Crop rotation should be reintroduced so farmers are not dependant on these profiteering pesticide companies.

derry

Kernel wrote: »

The numbers say that there is an overpopulation problem. Humans have increased in exponential numbers since indistrialisation. There are only so many resources, which we are consuming in record amounts. Eventually, everything goes !pop!. Why don't you agree with this? Do you not believe that pollution, peak oil, food crisis, rainforest deforestation and population figures are correct?

I think i said it all in post #15

But I will post it all again
No after studying the subject for a many years well over 30 years I don't believe the vast amount of tripe from the western media and a lot of the reasons are in that post #15

I have had the good luck to live and work outside ROI for many years and been subjected to other points of view and seen some of how eneormous the planet is that the planet will take another few thousand year to ever go pop
So I for one don't figure this pop goes the weasel stuff is anything more than fachist press media with an axe to grind namely kill of poor peoples for no good reason what so ever

derry wrote:

Overpopulation is a Myth invented to allow the process of extermination
Overpopulation is a Myth invented to allow the process of extermination of the bulk of the human race so that a small elite can remain in control

A amount of 2 billion is the target they aim for

They fear that a world population doubling in the short future could become too uncontollable and the elite who pull all the major strings in the financial systems presentily would be thinly spread out to effect the depopulation plan

The way to recognize all the sponsors of this mass extermination is they have oddles of false proof why the the world is over populated
The false information often come from top white man universities

They sit in sububia and bitch that they cant have nice pad beside the beach because their part of the world Holland or Dublin whatever is overpopulated

These are the same universities that propagated the racist ideas which Hilter later used for his exterminaton policy

Remember Hitler didn't invent that super race crap he just took the ideas from top universities and used them
Hitler proved that bad ideas can become lethal such as over population


Lets see how stupid overpopulation idea is
Example africa
However we find that vast tracts of Africa are mostly empty

There is a beech from west cost Maratania to Senegal 2000 miles of empty beech if university gob ****s want a empty beech to go to

The majority of Africa is seriously underpopulated with towns hundreds of miles between them making life expensive with extra costs of transport and ten times the population in those countries would make those countries start to work as economic units

Basic lesson 3/4 of the planet is water and nobody live there now and with tecknology it is possible to move onto the sea and expand the worlds population way past our present amount anything up to 1000 times the population can be sustained

Basic lesson is all the world present population of ~7billion plus HUMANS can if put all in one spot in the planet standing side by side would only occupy the UK Isle of white a tiny tiny tiny island on the planet which represents a lot less than 1/20,000 part of the planet

Therefore we still got to populate at least 5000/20,000 of the surface of the earth before there is a lack of room on beaches or over population

Any way the best beech parties are crowded parties

Resourses world wide are immence nearly unlimited
Coal reserves are 500 years plus probabily closer to 10,000 years
Gas reserves are immence at least 100 years probabily closer to 500 year or more
Oil reserves are closely guarded secret so that the oil companies can charge more for it pretending its scarce
But figures suggest oil reserves are closer to 100 years and probabily closer to 1000 years

Metals are all over the place and can be recyled if nessary
Iron and aluminum are abundant for maybe 100,000 years supply or nearly unlimited
Some few metals special useful metals cobal nickel etc are always tumning up somewhere so there is no sign any important metal will run out this side of 100 years
Even gold a fairly useless metal keeps turning up all over the place

Food production if done properly without mono crop big companies and other solution and less use of meat can feed 10 times the population of todays world without even new solutions

New solutions in the pipe line suggest 100 times the world population can be feed with a few minor innovations

The world is for all intensive purposes in the next 200 years unlimited in its abilty to feed everybody and have nobody starving in this time

So any starvation is from human made systems made to starve the victims and not from any real reasons like food is really short

These systems we call neo nazi after the inventor Hitler who devised the methods to contol the media and make the systems that would kill the chosen victims

As for this rubbish that Ethiopia is overpopulated by charity is Further proof of the policy of extermination

Most of the fertile regions of Ethiopia have huge well watered farms of mono crops covering a region of more than 20 times the size of Ireland

In that region the landless poor work for buttons $1 a day or less to work for big multinatonals food companies that grow tea and coffe for export
The rest of the Ethiopian are driven out of this fertile region with the help of the elite in the regime who control the army and wish to exterminate the rest of the unwanted Ethiopian who eek a living in the drought ridden regions

The charity allows those who the regime wish to exterminate to live and increase inpopulation and the elite regime fears they may one day come back and claim back the regions which were stolen from them

So they need to spread this story that Charity makes famine through the western media

Reminds me of the Irish famine lots of food exported while 2 million landless families died from starvation as the big landlords got richer and richer and they introduced the concept of puplic works for food using money sent from USA to help the Irish
The British said they would not let USA give money for food for nothing as that would affect their ability to enslave the Irish and took the money
The Brits dished it out the money to the starving paddy weakend from hunger after he did one weeks work on empty stomac
The British were happy the Irish population was halfed as it reduced the risk of revolution
Kiling 4 million in those days worked
Killing million of Africans is the new idea with the help of currupt gombeen men elite in army regimes in Africa

later they will try the same on the poor in Asai and Europe and America so Africa is the dry run test out extermination region

With that logic 3 out of 4 Irish will need to perish and die to get the popluation of the Ireland to fit the world population target of 2 Billion

So if your not part of the 25% of the top elite in Ireland you risk to be one the 75% that will perish so backing the idea of culling the world population will catch up on you and your family also

Derry

Histrory repeats it self time after time

Kernel

Diogenes wrote: »

The point is that people who claim that the US government created AIDs are the ones who peddle the alternatives.

Some people may, but most do not. Including me.

Diogenes wrote: »

Ah yes, you don't read about the people who spread the bull**** you peddle.

Eh... rubbish.

Diogenes wrote: »

The people who claim that Antiretroviral drugs are the same people who offer alternative treatments.

The crap you spew doesn't exist in a vacuum.

Again, I don't know what the hell your point is here....

Diogenes wrote: »

I think I need more than a missing tread from a bull**** forum yes.

But hey you'll swallow that manure down and ask for seconds.

It's not a thread, it's an article. And it's a timeline, and it's all been verified.

Diogenes wrote: »

Oh please Kernel this is getting just dense. Shall you explain who exactly designed the drugs? How the pharmaceutical industry is in bed with governments.

Which drugs in particular? They were developed for profit. Profit.

Diogenes wrote: »

Simply put why then are there Western government programs to get these drugs to African nations?

Again, you will have to be more specific, which western programs are you talking about?

Kernel

derry wrote: »

I think i said it all in post #15

But I will post it all again
No after studying the subject for a many years well over 30 years I don't believe the vast amount of tripe from the western media and a lot of the reasons are in that post #15

Where are the facts in that post? It reads like opinion to me. I can see that the population cannot continue to expand exponentially, the Earth can only survive for so long under the influence of an expanding human population. Maybe we can slow down the global demise by all eating porridge all day and living in mud huts with no technology, but eventually, having more than 2 children leads to overpopulation no matter how you look at it.

studiorat

Kernel wrote: »

Nonsense, speculating

AIDS = created by government black ops for population control.

RETROVIRALS = created by western pharmaceutical corporations for profit.

Jaysus, why would "government" pick such a crap disease for population control. Would be faster giving out free cigarettes!

Kama

So Why would the West create a disease to depopulate Africa and then create a drug to combat this disease?

You and logic haven't been on speaking terms for a while?

Well, creating a mess and then making money from it isn't illogical, it's called playing both ends of the game. In a systemic logic it makes a lot of sense, the same argument turns up in drug war theories. It's a general line of thinking in CT: create a problem, offer a solution, get powers and moneys at each point. Saying it's illogical doesn't mean much, just seems to mean you don't think it makes sense. Not everyone agrees with you, and yelling isn't a very convincing strategy, or saying 'that means you're for the witch doctors!' etc isn't a logical argument either...

AIDS = created by government black ops for population control. RETROVIRALS = created by western pharmaceutical corporations for profit.

This is his position, and it's not completely incoherent. You can assume 'separation of powers' or complicity, works as a logic eitherways.

FrostyJack

creating a mess and then making money from it isn't illogical

I don't think you get what he's trying to say here kama, if the goal was to eliminate the population of the country why save them for money? Why not just spread the disease ? Your trying to get in bed of 2 conspiracies. 1 the government/NWO want to decrease population and 2. corporate fat cats want to make money. It can't be both? What would make more sense would first one to make placibo drugs that every thinks works (making money) while depopulating the continent.

Kernel

FrostyJack wrote: »

I don't think you get what he's trying to say here kama, if the goal was to eliminate the population of the country why save them for money? Why not just spread the disease ? Your trying to get in bed of 2 conspiracies. 1 the government/NWO want to decrease population and 2. corporate fat cats want to make money. It can't be both? What would make more sense would first one to make placibo drugs that every thinks works (making money) while depopulating the continent.

I was hoping someone would point this out and save me the time. It is entirely possible and even probable that the two scenarios should exist. If the NWO/govt. manufactured the virus, they did so in secret. Therefore, pharmaceutical companies would not be aware of any agenda, and would carry on their work (manufacture treatments to generate profit and increase share price). It's not like the government could publicly discourage research into AIDS treatment and still maintain the cover story of the simian origins.

aidan24326

Kernel wrote: »

The article by Myers speculated that the situation in Africa - particularly famine afflicted Ethiopia, is largely caused by charity from the West encouraging an unnatural birthrate. Unnatural in the sense that the farmlands, resources and economy of Ethiopia could not support a large population, but guess what? Since Live Aid etc. the population has exploded in Ethiopia and the country now faces another famine. Myers speculated that famines are a natural process to control population and harmonise a region by lowering the population to such an extent as to be self-supporting. I agree with this, after much thought. Certainly there are other factors including natural disasters and political leadership

He has a point, even though it's something people don't like to hear. Natural selection sorts out overpopulation in the long run.

In a way population control makes sense.

There's no 'in a way' about it. It's essential if we're to avoid all manner of future problems, which is why the Chinese are right in what they're doing, albeit they waited until their country had 1.3 billion people to do anything about it. It has brought other unwanted problems though. However, suggesting there's a conspiracy to remove a large % of the world's population is bit far out for my liking.

I have posted a thread here before stating my belief that there is evidence to suggest that AIDS was engineered and spread in Africa as a method of population control.

There is all manner of misinformation and lies surrounding AIDS, from all sides. It's origin is not really known. There are a number of theories, some mainstream and some more of the conspiracy type. There is a distinct possibilty it was man-made, but any evidence to suugest it was engineered to cull black Africans is pretty ropey tbh. There's others who insist it first appeared among the gay community in New York, not Africa. Really hard to know what to believe at this stage.

Me? I think H5N1 could be one possibility, as a flu virus is an excellent way to spread death through the weaker people of the world

Not a great example. H5N1 hasn't exactly killed many people so far has it? A few birds and a small handful of people (who worked with birds). A big hullabaloo about nothing.

An example of terrible media reporting and scaremongering yes, but a conspiracy? Doesn't look likely.

,8,1 wrote: »

No, population is not a problem

You might want to rethink that. It will be one of the biggest problems facing mankind in the not too distant future. There is only so much food and resources to go around.

In actual fact, the developed world faces steep depopulation. Free labour migration has led to developing countries not developing but simply becoming labour pools for the West to import from when we need workers. The prospects for prosperity in both the developed and developing world are better if we avoid the self-destructive "do not re-populate" mindset.

No-one is suggesting that we don't repopulate. Just that we slow down and level off population growth by having less children. With the increasing availabilty of birth control there's no excuse for people to be having an army of kids. In Ireland itself we can see that the days of couples having 6 or 7 kids are over, it would be highly unusual for a young couple now to have that many children, whereas in our parents and even moreso our grandparents time it was commonplace.

kryogen wrote: »

yeah i googled but i cant really find a list, i read about i tbeing in the diet drinks and that but i wouldnt drink them anyway, just interested to see if i would consume alot of it, i dont use sugar alternatives on purpose or anything so i would be surprised if i consumed much

It's claimed by some doctors and scientists that aspartame and another artificial sweetener called sucralose are both potentially harmful chemicals.
I have no idea if that's true, but I don't really use artificial sweeteners anyway, nor do I drink diet drinks etc

Kernel

aidan24326 wrote: »

He has a point, even though it's something people don't like to hear. Natural selection sorts out overpopulation in the long run.

Yes, indeed he has a point. Could the population of Ethiopia have increased to the extent whereby the resources of the country cannot sustain them, without our intervention? Nope.

aidan24326 wrote: »

There is a distinct possibilty it was man-made, but any evidence to suugest it was engineered to cull black Africans is pretty ropey tbh. There's others who insist it first appeared among the gay community in New York, not Africa. Really hard to know what to believe at this stage.

It has been said that the AIDS virus is also more ethnically specific in terms of infection. Although I searched for information on studies done to confirm this, but drew a blank. If the virus is proven to be more likely to infect blacks and asians, then it is a further coincidence which would lend weight to my belief.

aidan24326 wrote: »

Not a great example. H5N1 hasn't exactly killed many people so far has it? A few birds and a small handful of people (who worked with birds). A big hullabaloo about nothing.

An example of terrible media reporting and scaremongering yes, but a conspiracy? Doesn't look likely.

I agree with you, but when I mentioned H5N1, I didn't mean in it's current form, but a conveniently mutated form which will be highly infectious to humans and spread like the Spanish Flu. Then again, it could just be a WW3 scenario to cull the profane again.

derry

Kernel wrote: »

Where are the facts in that post? It reads like opinion to me. I can see that the population cannot continue to expand exponentially, the Earth can only survive for so long under the influence of an expanding human population. Maybe we can slow down the global demise by all eating porridge all day and living in mud huts with no technology, but eventually, having more than 2 children leads to overpopulation no matter how you look at it.

Face facts

The earth is not overpopulated now

the earth even with hell for leather flat out reproduction would not be remotely overpopulated within 200 years

So debating overpopulation as a fact today and and a immeadiate threat to people today is like 18Th centery guys predicting that the exponetial grwoth of the horses in cities would immerse the towns twenty foot deep hourse manure

Small pockets of the planet can sometimes be overpopulated from failure of crops or war or some local factors

But the total planet is presentl empty in most all of it

Just cuase the beach in brittas bay or the marbellia is balck in august doesnt mean the planet is overpopulated

I have been on several planes overflying Africa west and east and South and travelled overland through big chunks of it

It 99% empty in Africa and any food shortages are often from wars or local politics which try to use food as a wheapon with the odd regonal drought which puts pressure on the peoples banished to the marginal regions as the good land is used with irrigation and stolen from the peoples

So go out have fun and dont worry your tiny little head about some problem that might affect the world in 2250 as I am sure they will have developed any suitable solutions to solve thier problems in that time

imagine in 2250Ad the boards guys saying look at guys worring about over population in 2008 were they for real or smoking something
20feet of house manure my a$$

Derry