boxing and mma on the same bills at the top levels.

cowzerp

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3585638

ODD-JOB

And with that spells the end of purist boxing.

If this one comes off successfully then you'll have boxers coming out in capes and cloaks with masks and rubbish like that.

That greedy savage Dela Hoya would do anything to make more and more money.

This whole project aimed at middle-class white american kids,... with PPV being paid from their parents wallets, who have just grown out of WWF.

If Golden boy was a true ambasador of boxing , he would be doing everything possible to seperate the two sports.

Dont get me wrong ,...I think MMA/UFC is entertaining in its own right . And i'll watch it if its on , but a mile should be distanced and maintained between the 2 sports.

sligobhoy67

ODD-JOB wrote: »

If this one comes off successfully then you'll have boxers coming out in capes and cloaks with masks and rubbish like that.

some already do mate - dont kid yerself that boxing hasnt had it fair share of gimmicks down through the years!!!

nacho libre

I like MMA too but both sports should be separate. I don't see this working out in the long run.

Mikel

ODD-JOB wrote: »

If this one comes off successfully then you'll have boxers coming out in capes and cloaks with masks and rubbish like that

What have cloaks and masks got to do with mma?

sligobhoy67

Mikel wrote: »

What have cloaks and masks got to do with mma?

I think the point he is making is that MMA can come across a little - how shall I put it - WWFish!!! Whereas we kinda think boxing has more class.

This picture I took of Malignaggi proves he is right!

Mikel

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

I think the point he is making is that MMA can come across a little - how shall I put it - WWFish!!! Whereas we kinda think boxing has more class.

This picture I took of Malignaggi proves he is right!

I don't know about that, remember the way Eubank used to make his entrance?
What about Khan?
More class? Dunne at the point?

In the UFC they generally just walk in with their entourage, nothing overly dramatic from what I see.
I wouldn't put them on the same bill though, different sports entirely.

Fozzy

From the few shows that I've seen and from reading about similar shows, boxing and MMA just don't work when they're on the same card. It's mainly to do with the pacing of the fights. The crowd get fed up with the longer boxing fights, in part because they're usually more MMA fans than boxing fans. With that sort of attitude you can get more bored watching a boxing fight because you're basically watching an MMA fight that only allows one sort of attack

I'm fairly certain that this concept isn't going to be successful

cowzerp

Fozzy wrote: »

From the few shows that I've seen and from reading about similar shows, boxing and MMA just don't work when they're on the same card. It's mainly to do with the pacing of the fights. The crowd get fed up with the longer boxing fights, in part because they're usually more MMA fans than boxing fans. With that sort of attitude you can get more bored watching a boxing fight because you're basically watching an MMA fight that only allows one sort of attack

I'm fairly certain that this concept isn't going to be successful

probably right but there is a chance that fans from both view points can get educated on what the sports are about and get an interest in the other sport, a few of my mma mates are big boxing fans and never liked it till they watched a few shows, now there hooked!

when i 1st watched mma i felt the same, too much man hugging! now i love it and dont mind an old man hug either!

the verdict is out on wheter or not the shows will mix!

Fozzy

cowzerp wrote: »

the verdict is out on wheter or not the shows will mix!

It might work better on a big level like this in the US, but I wouldn't count on it. I can't think of hearing about any similar show that worked

Here's what Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer wrote about it last week. He's been covering MMA for over 15 years and has done some big articles for Yahoo on boxing

Some more notes on the Affliction cancellation. The new date is 1/17 at the Honda Center in Anaheim and Fedor Emelianenko will appear. Golden Boy Promotions (Oscar De La Hoya, Richard Schaefer) will be involved in the venture which will likely be announced over the next two weeks.

Even though Golden Boy is involved, HBO is believed to not be part of this package. The current plans are for the show to have both MMA fights and boxing matches, which having seen shows with multiple types of matches on the same card (boxing/MMA, Muay Thai/MMA, pro wrestling/MMA), they almost never work.

Muay Thai/MMA in Japan on New Year's Eve has worked and I've seen San Shou/Muay Thai together working but all the other combinations are kind of disastrous because they are different fights and the pacing is different. I don't know how to explain it, because I can enjoy all of them, but when you put them together on the same show, mentally you are thinking what they should be doing that they don't do because it's not allowed and it ruins the excitement.

The mentality is that you draw from both fan bases, but that's a flawed mentality unless you have a major boxing fight on the bill, in which case you've just added huge money costs, and a top level boxing match between intros and the fight itself will take one hour, limiting the amount of MMA matches you can put on the show.

Golden Boy is believed to not be involved in the MMA aspect of the show as far as matchmaking, signing fighters, or putting up money for that end, but will be involved in the production aspects of the show. Still, the cancellation of the next show was the correct business move because the interest in the show was tepid, it wasn't going to do well on PPV, and would lose significant money while accomplishing nothing other than creating an opponent for Fedor. One would presume they'll go with Fedor vs. Arlovski, only because Arlovski has more of a name in the U.S. than Josh Barnett, although to me, it's a less interesting match.

joepenguin

The boxing fans need to see lots of throws, slams, takedowns, the odd ground and pound, high kick KOs etc.
The mma fans need to see a boxing match like a pavlik-taylor 1, pac-diaz kind of fight.

The boxers dont really need to be on that level, maybe someone like Gamboa who is exciting but up and coming so can be brought in for a moderate amount of money.... i dont know what he gets paid but it would be nothing like pac.
A lot of its success boils down to the matchmakers