Professor Exposes CO2/Global Warming Scam

jeremyquinn · 13-09-2008 1:23pm #1

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20080722jk.html

Good to see a man who will actually voice his own opinions rather than go with the flow.

"Fear is a very efficient weapon: It produces the desired effect without much waste. Global warming has nothing to do with how much CO2 is produced or what we do here on Earth. For millions of years, solar activity has been controlling temperatures on Earth and even now, the sun controls how high the mercury goes. CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another. Soon it will cool down anyhow, once again, regardless of what we do. Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so. What makes a whole lot of economic and political sense is to blame global warming on humans and create laws that keep the status quo and prevent up-and-coming nations from developing. Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot."

This scam is such a joke, only the most compliant, dumb as a brush "we are all in this togeather" idiot would believe it.

All the middle class twats who worry about this will be looking back in 5 years thinking how easily they were had, as they will not be able to move with green taxes. We are firmly in the era of "crisis, crisis, crisis", the only solution is to take your rights away and cripple you economically. The scientists who promote this should be hunted down and shot, they are selling out their fellow man for a pay check and a smug government position. Scum.

thelordofcheese · 13-09-2008 1:26pm

jeremyquinn wrote: »

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20080722jk.html

Good to see a man who will actually voice his own opinions rather than go with the flow.

"Fear is a very efficient weapon: It produces the desired effect without much waste. Global warming has nothing to do with how much CO2 is produced or what we do here on Earth. For millions of years, solar activity has been controlling temperatures on Earth and even now, the sun controls how high the mercury goes. CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another. Soon it will cool down anyhow, once again, regardless of what we do. Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so. What makes a whole lot of economic and political sense is to blame global warming on humans and create laws that keep the status quo and prevent up-and-coming nations from developing. Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot."

This scam is such a joke, only the most compliant, dumb as a brush "we are all in this togeather" idiot would believe it.

All the middle class twats who worry about this will be looking back in 5 years thinking how easily they were had, as they will not be able to move with green taxes. We are firmly in the era of "crisis, crisis, crisis", the only solution is to take your rights away and cripple you economically. The scientists who promote this should be hunted down and shot, they are selling out their fellow man for a pay check and a smug government position. Scum.

I think you need a new hobby. May i suggest long walks?
Preferably off a short pier.

Zillah · 13-09-2008 1:27pm

"Don’t worry about your health. I focus on the now and don’t worry about tomorrow."

Yeah this guy is great. Lets all be idiots togeather

sinlessgunner · 13-09-2008 1:35pm

I have heard countless arguments on this subject and I agree with this point of view. If you look at the Earth's life in a 24 hour period, humans have been here for about a minute, if even. We could not have such a significant impact on the Earth in that space of time. A large volcanic eruption would put more gases into the atmosphere than any human activity. It's scaremongering as put, a scam.

And before people dismiss what I say I have a degree in Climatology, so I do know what I am talking about.

jeremyquinn · 13-09-2008 1:35pm

"oh stupid man, what will you not believe".

The modern day irish man is such a creep, he is had at every corner, scammed, and yet he loves his betters.

He wants to save the whales, save the environment, save the world.

"save the environemnt, kill yourself". That about sums up the environment movement, and the greenies do cannot comprehend the term ecofascism.

towel401 · 13-09-2008 1:37pm

ah.

that old chesnut. globalwarming is a hoax really humans are getting more sensitive to heat

Wurly · 13-09-2008 1:37pm

Even if the CO2/global warming debate proves to be false, the fact is, we are still over polluting our planet and we are an incredibly wasteful nation.

If steps are taken to reduce CO2 emissions, then irrespective of global warming, it is surely a good thing.

What sh1ts me is collecting so called 'green' taxes and then spending them on things like roads etc... Go figure.

thelordofcheese · 13-09-2008 1:38pm

jeremyquinn wrote: »

"oh stupid man, what will you not believe".

The modern day irish man is such a creep, he is had at every corner, scammed, and yet he loves his betters.

He wants to save the whales, save the environment, save the world.

"save the environemnt, kill yourself". That about sums up the environment movement, and the greenies do cannot comprehend the term ecofascism.

You know, you'd have a far better chance of changing peoples minds if your posts weren't poor written drivel, calling everyone but yourself an idiot.

Of course then you'd have to present a coherient argument which probably explains why you've chosen the innane rambling method of discourse.

Macha · 13-09-2008 1:40pm

Read my sig. You are a case in point.

Keep on believing that us humans are so *special* that we can defy the laws of nature and destroy the very planet we depend on and yet, somehow still survive...? Sorry buddy, doesn't work like that.

My response to the assertion that global warming is a way of stopping developing countries from progressing: BWAHAHAHAHAHahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! Care to back that up with anything concrete?

Go read up on ecological debt. Educate yourself before your inflict your ignorant opinions on us.

jeremyquinn · 13-09-2008 1:44pm

Tri wrote: »

Even if the CO2/global warming debate proves to be false, the fact is, we are still over polluting our planet and we are an incredibly wasteful nation.

If steps are taken to reduce CO2 emissions, then irrespective of global warming, it is surely a good thing.

What sh1ts me is collecting so called 'green' taxes and then spending them on things like roads etc... Go figure.

These environmentalists have no interest in real issues. With real issues you can see results. With this global warming, it is all subjective, we have to trust scientists, the average man cannot see the changes, even if a problem did exist. Therefore it is and endless situation. You will be sitting freezing in the winter within 5 years as fuel and the offsetting charges will be so high.

I have to laugh about the so called "wastefull ness". Have you ever heard of the advertising industry?? They encourage people to purchase products they either need or want. Back around 1910 people were mainly self sufficient, they produced no waste. The same people who promote this environmentalism are the industry owners who promoted massive consumption, is that in itself not enough to convince you of the errors in you argument. This is about control, nothing else.

jeremyquinn · 13-09-2008 1:46pm

taconnol wrote: »

Go read up on ecological debt. Educate yourself before your inflict your ignorant opinions on us.

Educate yourself on the concept of abstract ideas, oh gulity one. I feel no guilt.

utick · 13-09-2008 1:48pm

well i haent seen any signs of global warming, of course most scientists and all governments love global warming because its a big cash cow for them

Wurly · 13-09-2008 1:48pm

jeremyquinn wrote: »

I have to laugh about the so called "wastefull ness". Have you ever heard of the advertising industry?? They encourage people to purchase products they either need or want. Back around 1910 people were mainly self sufficient, they produced no waste. The same people who promote this environmentalism are the industry owners who promoted massive consumption, is that in itself not enough to convince you of the errors in you argument. This is about control, nothing else.

Em, i'm not having an argument. It's a point of view, really. I think we do waste... Even things like using ridiculous amounts of paper towels to wipe up a spill when a cloth would do the job. Leaving the tap running for a few minutes when off doing something else. Throwing reams and reams of paper in the bin at work and not even thinking to put them in the recycling bin. So, that's wasteful. The co2 used to produce the materials that we over consume is wasteful.

Global warming - truth or lie? Who knows. But as i've said... regardless of what the truth is, we are a wasteful nation and we over pollute. Any effort to reduce this is a good thing in my book.

Macha · 13-09-2008 1:53pm

jeremyquinn wrote: »

Educate yourself on the concept of abstract ideas, oh gulity one. I feel no guilt.

Uh, ecological debt is an abstract concept...durrr, clunk. Stupid reply, but I'm not surprised.

As for you not feeling guilty, you hit the nail on the head!! Well done for revealing to everyone here why you don't want to believe in anthropogenic climate change. Bravo.

jeremyquinn · 13-09-2008 2:04pm

taconnol wrote: »

Uh, ecological debt is an abstract concept...durrr, clunk. Stupid reply, but I'm not surprised.

As for you not feeling guilty, you hit the nail on the head!! Well done for revealing to everyone here why you don't want to believe in anthropogenic climate change. Bravo.

Next thing you will be telling me that I should be sitting here biting my nails as i caluculate my carbon footprint. Catch yourself on.

You are a prime example of a person who jumps on any given bandwagon. You are a follower, you do and say whatever the pied piper instructs. If a scientist were to say the sky is green, you would agree.

No doubt you also are a proponent of the belief that there are water shortages in this country, you know the place where if rains about 364 days a year.

Wurly · 13-09-2008 2:07pm

jeremyquinn wrote: »

Next thing you will be telling me that I should be sitting here biting my nails as i caluculate my carbon footprint. Catch yourself on.

You are a prime example of a person who jumps on any given bandwagon. You are a follower, a you do and say whatever the pied piper instructs. If the a scientists was to say the sky is green, you would agree.

No doubt you also are a proponent of the belief that their are water charges in this country, you know the place where if rains about 364 days a year.

Mate, can I just say... Why are you getting defensive and worked up over this? You've posted an article on a public forum. Not everyone is going to agree. We are all entitled to our own opinion. Simmer down - jeez.

pablomakaveli · 13-09-2008 2:18pm

Weve only being recording weather patterns and tempertures for about the last 100 years. Its a bit naive to say that there is definite global warming based on figures from that period of time given the millions of years that proceeded it.

It would be like determining the average temperture of a year based on two or three seconds of temperture recordings.

Wurly · 13-09-2008 2:22pm

jeremyquinn wrote: »

No doubt you also are a proponent of the belief that there are water shortages in this country, you know the place where if rains about 364 days a year.

This just says it all... There are water shortages. We are surrounded by water - yes. But we have a shortage of fresh, clean drinking water. All the rain in the world won't stop that being so.

Who's for a glass of contaminated kia ora?:rolleyes:

utick · 13-09-2008 2:41pm

Tri wrote: »

This just says it all... There are water shortages. We are surrounded by water - yes. But we have a shortage of fresh, clean drinking water. All the rain in the world won't stop that being so.

Who's for a glass of contaminated kia ora?:rolleyes:

theres no water shortage in ireland, there is however a global food shortage courtesy of the global warming nuts insisting on putting ethanol into the petrol

Macha · 13-09-2008 2:44pm

jeremyquinn wrote: »

Next thing you will be telling me that I should be sitting here biting my nails as i caluculate my carbon footprint. Catch yourself on.

At least it would be more productive that posting this sort of tripe. Go on. Pretend your lifestyle is perfectly normal and justified. Keep on living in your little bubble.

jeremyquinn wrote: »

You are a prime example of a person who jumps on any given bandwagon. You are a follower, you do and say whatever the pied piper instructs. If a scientist were to say the sky is green, you would agree.

Well, judging from the fact that I have an MSc in this area, I can safely say that I have looked at the actual facts and made up my own mind. I doubt you can say the same. Do you even understand the science behind climate change? Prove to me you do and I'll actually have a little bit of respect for your views.

jeremyquinn wrote: »

No doubt you also are a proponent of the belief that there are water shortages in this country, you know the place where if rains about 364 days a year.

Please do this one thing for me jeremyquinn. Please disconnect your house from the mains. Do not use publicly treated water to drink, cook, clean, shower, brush your teeth. Now please put out a water butt/well and use that water instead. Come back to me when you're riddled with water-borne diseases.

Seriously, please practise what you preach and do it. For all of our sakes. Oh and plug out the internet while you're at it.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 13-09-2008 2:50pm

Do not feed the trolls.

CDfm · 13-09-2008 2:56pm

jeremyquinn wrote: »

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20080722jk.html

Good to see a man who will actually voice his own opinions rather than go with the flow.

"Fear is a very efficient weapon: It produces the desired effect without much waste. Global warming has nothing to do with how much CO2 is produced or what we do here on Earth. For millions of years, solar activity has been controlling temperatures on Earth and even now, the sun controls how high the mercury goes. CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another. Soon it will cool down anyhow, once again, regardless of what we do. Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so. What makes a whole lot of economic and political sense is to blame global warming on humans and create laws that keep the status quo and prevent up-and-coming nations from developing. Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot."

This scam is such a joke, only the most compliant, dumb as a brush "we are all in this togeather" idiot would believe it.

All the middle class twats who worry about this will be looking back in 5 years thinking how easily they were had, as they will not be able to move with green taxes. We are firmly in the era of "crisis, crisis, crisis", the only solution is to take your rights away and cripple you economically. The scientists who promote this should be hunted down and shot, they are selling out their fellow man for a pay check and a smug government position. Scum.

Im with you here bro

One of the founders of Greenpeace wrote that nucleur fuel is the way forward.

Anyone who comes out and questions the validity of the global warming research etc is labeled a crackpot.

In the 12 and 13th centuries Vikings lived in Greenland only to leave in the 15th cause it froze - but hey it warmed up again.

I saw an article on flooding in Germany where a scientist uncovered evidence again back to the middle ages that this occurs in cycles.

If we saw that evidence used in a clinical drug test had been falsified we would vilify the drug company and the doctors who conducted the tests.

So why shouldnt we question these guys

ITs like the Y2k scam -where are the geniuses who thought up that. Loadsamoney.

Macha · 13-09-2008 2:57pm

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Weve only being recording weather patterns and tempertures for about the last 100 years. Its a bit naive to say that there is definite global warming based on figures from that period of time given the millions of years that proceeded it.

It would be like determining the average temperture of a year based on two or three seconds of temperture recordings.

Of course the scientists don't just depend on data going back 100 years. They also use, among other sources, data from a number of ice cores that goes back hundreds of thousands of years.

Edit: CDfm, I don't even know where to start with that mess of a post.

CDfm · 13-09-2008 3:01pm

taconnol wrote: »

Of course the scientists don't just depend on data going back 100 years. They also use, among other sources, data from a number of ice cores that goes back hundreds of thousands of years.

Edit: CDfm, I don't even know where to start with that mess of a post.

have ya seen them and do ya understand them?

The only scientists I see on a regular basis on TV are the guys from Time Team

And I wouldnt trust them to date todays newspaper

Macha · 13-09-2008 3:06pm

CDfm wrote: »

have ya seen them and do ya understand them?

No, I don't need to meet the scientist in person, but yes I understand the science

CDfm wrote: »

The only scientists I see on a regular basis on TV are the guys from Time Team

That explains a lot

CDfm · 13-09-2008 3:08pm

taconnol wrote: »

Of course the scientists don't just depend on data going back 100 years. They also use, among other sources, data from a number of ice cores that goes back hundreds of thousands of years.

Edit: CDfm, I don't even know where to start with that mess of a post.

well taconnal you could start by telling me objectively on what points you disagree with the proffessor

and if you quote a source tell me if this is supported by evidence other than the makey upey pseudo science and eco babble we get from AL Gore -the Eco-Whore

Macha · 13-09-2008 3:21pm

Try going over to Green Issues and taking a look over there. There are 100s of threads that go into the sort of detail you want. And believe me, there are plenty of doubters in there as well.

CDfm · 13-09-2008 3:24pm

taconnol wrote: »

Try going over to Green Issues and taking a look over there. There are 100s of threads that go into the sort of detail you want. And believe me, there are plenty of doubters in there as well.

Bono thanks for taking time out to speak to us .

I know you are a very busy guy.

But I asked you a specific question on the professors article - that you understand the science of. Perchance your understanding aint so great. Boo hoo.

Dave! · 13-09-2008 3:32pm

CDfm wrote: »

But I asked you a specific question on the professors article - that you understand the science of.

taconnol wrote: »

yes I understand the science

Wurly · 13-09-2008 3:32pm

utick wrote: »

theres no water shortage in ireland, there is however a global food shortage courtesy of the global warming nuts insisting on putting ethanol into the petrol

Sorry, yes. That is inaccurate. We are heading for major shortages though.

jeremyquinn · 13-09-2008 3:34pm

taconnol wrote: »

Try going over to Green Issues and taking a look over there. And believe me, there are plenty of doubters in there as well.

Plenty of doubters?? I was banned the minute I raised a few doubts. Green issues is a microcosm of how thw world will be in five years. Dissenters will be locked out of the system or locked up altogeather.

You understand the science? The figures are all biased, cherry picked, non agreeable factors overlooked. As everyone knows, the answer was found, global warming, the scientists (in government pockets) were then set to work to provide the evidence.

The whole global warming issues has so many flaws it is laughable.

jeremyquinn · 13-09-2008 3:39pm

Tri wrote: »

Sorry, yes. That is inaccurate. We are heading for major shortages though.

What, even the Dr from Maynooth was basing the shortages on his predictions ( computer models) about global warming. An issue which is a derivative of a falsehood has no other alternative than to also be false. Don't get caught up with the crisis creation, have you not noticed that all these crisis lead us in the same direction, namely a removal of liberties and even more taxes???

hoser expat · 13-09-2008 3:45pm

Well Jeremy, I happen to have a PhD from a prestigious university in a field related to climate science, have published fairly extensive research on climate change impacts (among other things), hold an endowed professorship in the subject, have appeared on television, radio, major newspapers, and in top journals related to the geologic impacts of climate change and links to historical climate, so let's just say I have the credentials to back it up when I say you are completely wrong, wrong, wrong.

I am not in the pocket of any government, research agency, or industry. I am not a part of some huge scam being perpetrated upon the world as you so eloquently suggest.

You are quite the moron. And apparently you'll be hunting me down and shooting me very soon. Idiot.

Macha · 13-09-2008 3:46pm

The professors comments on recycling are flawed because he only looks on the issue in terms of energy in/energy out. He is not factoring in the impact that natural resource extraction can have on the environment, in non-energy ways. Of course recycling is not the best way of dealing with waste and comes below reduction of consumption and reuse of materials in the waste hierarchy.

Seeing as you're too lazy to do anything but bitch and moan, I'll take a quote from Scofflaw in the Green Issues forum that refutes claims that solar activity is the cause of climate change:

It's generally estimated that the amount of sunlight reaching the surface fell by about 4% from 1960-1990. During that period, temperature rises were of the order of 0.036 degrees/decade. The trend has reversed since then, mostly as a result of reductions in aerosol pollution - and we now have a temperature rise trend of 0.38 degrees per decade.

The conclusion is that the increase in sunlight is not driving the warming - since then the reduction would have caused overall cooling - but that what we're seeing now is a no longer masked greenhouse rise.

Basically, the amount of forcing that can be attributed to solar activity does not account for all the temperature increase we are seeing.

As I have already mentioned, his notion of climate change as a way of keeping developing countries down is utter tripe. However, this issue is not to do with the science part.

I agree with what he says about ethanol production.

jeremyquinn, you were probably banned because you have a very obnoxious way of putting your opinions across. Why don't you quit the rhetoric and actually say something based on facts? Whinging about cherrypicking, blah blah BLAH. You have yet to back up any of your assertions with facts.

Why don't you tell us the flaws in the global warming issues. What? Oh you don't actually understand the issues? Thought as much.

CDfm · 13-09-2008 3:47pm

jeremyquinn wrote: »

What, even the Dr from Maynooth was basing the shortages on his predictions ( computer models) about global warming. An issue which is a derivative of a falsehood has no other alternative than to also be false. Don't get caught up with the crisis creation, have you not noticed that all these crisis lead us in the same direction, namely a removal of liberties and even more taxes???

well jeremy its your thread.

But I agree with you on what I have seen that green taxes are really stealth taxes. My politics and yours would not nescessarily be the same.

The talk of water shortages in Ireland is a bit simplistic and the real situation is that our water service cant supply clean water due to the strain on the current infrastructure so its a mutually exclusive point and not relevant to the article you raised for discussion.

I am an economist by training and if you feed crap into any computer model the results will be ahem unreliable.

Thats why I ask if the other posters disagree with the professor then they should be confident enough to cite their arguments and sources and not simply rely on rhetoric and derision to get their point across.

Quoting other threads aint research.

So we are not factoring in exhaustion of resources now. Thats sophisticated stuff.

If we went for nucleur power maybe we wouldnt be using up all these finite resources?

jeremyquinn · 13-09-2008 3:49pm

hoser expat wrote: »

Well Jeremy, I happen to have a PhD from a prestigious university in a field related to climate science, have published fairly extensive research on climate change impacts (among other things), hold an endowed professorship in the subject, have appeared on television, radio, major newspapers, and in top journals related to the geologic impacts of climate change and links to historical climate, so let's just say I have the credentials to back it up when I say you are completely wrong, wrong, wrong.

I am not in the pocket of any government, research agency, or industry. I am not a part of some huge scam being perpetrated upon the world as you so eloquently suggest.

You are quite the moron. And apparently you'll be hunting me down and shooting me very soon. Idiot.

I'm a little black man from America, my pop was Nigerian. I am currently running in the US presedential elections.

AARRRGH · 13-09-2008 3:50pm

jeremyquinn wrote: »

All the middle class twats who worry about this...

You lost me when you said the above. Pathetic.

Wurly · 13-09-2008 3:51pm

jeremyquinn wrote: »

What, even the Dr from Maynooth was basing the shortages on his predictions ( computer models) about global warming. An issue which is a derivative of a falsehood has no other alternative than to also be false. Don't get caught up with the crisis creation, have you not noticed that all these crisis lead us in the same direction, namely a removal of liberties and even more taxes???

I've gotta say though Jeremy, I would believe we are heading for water shortages. And it's nothing got to do with what some scientist says for either side of the debate....

Again, I would not be surprised - due to wastage. The amount of water wasted in this country is incredible. Population increase also plays a part. Yes, we are surrounded by water. But clean and safe water is a different story.

I think we should be paying water charges tbh. it may encourage people to be less wasteful. I was in Zambia this summer and in the village I was in, people had to walk a good stretch to get a daily bucket of water. This was retrieved from a pump in the centre of the town. The stark difference between them and us is amazing. We turn on the tap full blast, leave it running, not giving a rat's ass. It's such a waste. So maybe a tax might stop people from being so wasteful.

I am also for bin charges.. Landfill space is a problem and people again abuse this and are so wasteful. Since the introduction of bin charges, many people I have spoken to choose to recycle more to avoid this charge.

I like the system of the less you use, the less you pay. It stops people wasting.

I am sure the above will invoke a whole host of responses against what i've just said.... But alas, if we all believed the same thing, the world would be boring, right.;)

Jeremy, I see your point. I'm not saying I disagree. I have not made up my mind about global warming.. I to and fro on the subject a lot. But I have an issue with waste and over pollution. If the backlash on the potentially fake global warming campaign helps either of the aforementioned, well i'm all for it.

Macha · 13-09-2008 3:52pm

CDfm wrote: »

But I agree with you on what I have seen that green taxes are really stealth taxes.

Oh I see. And the current situation where I contribute as much to the government's carbon credit fines as the person who drives around in their SUV 24/7 is fair?

Or I contribute as much to the water facilities as someone who uses 10 times as much water as me?

Right.

Jumpy · 13-09-2008 3:53pm

jeremyquinn wrote: »

You are a prime example of a person who jumps on any given bandwagon. You are a follower, you do and say whatever the pied piper instructs. If a scientist were to say the sky is green, you would agree.

Yeah well Im more non-conformist than you. As a matter of fact Im so non-conformist that I am going to conform just because you arent.

emooooo *whistles*

AtomicHorror · 13-09-2008 3:56pm

sinlessgunner wrote: »

I have heard countless arguments on this subject and I agree with this point of view. If you look at the Earth's life in a 24 hour period, humans have been here for about a minute, if even. We could not have such a significant impact on the Earth in that space of time. A large volcanic eruption would put more gases into the atmosphere than any human activity. It's scaremongering as put, a scam.

And before people dismiss what I say I have a degree in Climatology, so I do know what I am talking about.

Where did you get your PhD? How about your post-doc work?

Assuming it is a "scam", what is the motive?

jeremyquinn · 13-09-2008 3:59pm

taconnol wrote: »

Why don't you tell us the flaws in the global warming issues. What? Oh you don't actually understand the issues? Thought as much.

The flaws? Well to summarise the whole thing is a scam from start to finish. Climate changes have occured since this planet has existed. Man is only a recent development. In the 1970's we had a global cooling scam. This issue is not about science, it is social engineering.

The global warming issues??? As the previous poster said, rubbish in, rubbish out. How can a computer model accurately model the climate?? As anyone who has ever modelled anything will know, even when the relationship between variables is known, when 5 or more variables are adde to a model, results are random at best. Now with climate change the variables are not known, the relationships are not known, the data results are unreliable and the IPCC which provides all the data is a political organisation.

You would want to be quite the faithful believer to swallow this lot.

AtomicHorror · 13-09-2008 4:01pm

jeremyquinn wrote: »

Plenty of doubters?? I was banned the minute I raised a few doubts. Green issues is a microcosm of how thw world will be in five years. Dissenters will be locked out of the system or locked up altogeather.

You understand the science? The figures are all biased, cherry picked, non agreeable factors overlooked. As everyone knows, the answer was found, global warming, the scientists (in government pockets) were then set to work to provide the evidence.

The whole global warming issues has so many flaws it is laughable.

Examples of this data please.

AtomicHorror · 13-09-2008 4:02pm

jeremyquinn wrote: »

As anyone who has ever modelled anything will know, even when the relationship between variables is known, when 5 or more variables are adde to a model, results are random at best.

Examples again please.

CDfm · 13-09-2008 4:04pm

Tri- I agree with you on the water waste and water and refuse charges.

You have to pay for what you get.

But supporting a green intelligensia on the basis of a far fetched theory is like saying the earth is going to be hit by a meteorite.

Its all a bit David Icke to me

jeremyquinn · 13-09-2008 4:06pm

Tri wrote: »

Again, I would not be surprised - due to wastage. The amount of water wasted in this country is incredible. Population increase also plays a part. Yes, we are surrounded by water. But clean and safe water is a different story..

The population of this country would be dropping like a stone were it not for emmigration. THe birth rate has been below the replacement level of 2.1 since the early 1990's.

Tri wrote: »

I think we should be paying water charges tbh. it may encourage people to be less wasteful. I was in Zambia this summer and in the village I was in, people had to walk a good stretch to get a daily bucket of water. This was retrieved from a pump in the centre of the town. The stark difference between them and us is amazing. We turn on the tap full blast, leave it running, not giving a rat's ass. It's such a waste. So maybe a tax might stop people from being so wasteful...

EU regulation demand that we pay, hence the campaign by the government, although they have never once mentioned the EU legislation. I wonder why not??? How can the same water laws be applied to Greece as Ireland.

Tri wrote: »

I am also for bin charges.. Landfill space is a problem and people again abuse this and are so wasteful. Since the introduction of bin charges, many people I have spoken to choose to recycle more to avoid this charge.

I like the system of the less you use, the less you pay. It stops people wasting.

What does the average person get back for his taxes these days??? More government fat cats and bureaucrats developing even more insane "laws", thats all I can see. Health care has gone, bin collection has gone, untolled roads have done, new green taxes, carbon taxes, and on and on.

utick · 13-09-2008 4:07pm

Tri wrote: »

I've gotta say though Jeremy, I would believe we are heading for water shortages. And it's nothing got to do with what some scientist says for either side of the debate....

Again, I would not be surprised - due to wastage. The amount of water wasted in this country is incredible. Population increase also plays a part. Yes, we are surrounded by water. But clean and safe water is a different story.

I think we should be paying water charges tbh. it may encourage people to be less wasteful. I was in Zambia this summer and in the village I was in, people had to walk a good stretch to get a daily bucket of water. This was retrieved from a pump in the centre of the town. The stark difference between them and us is amazing. We turn on the tap full blast, leave it running, not giving a rat's ass. It's such a waste. So maybe a tax might stop people from being so wasteful.

I am also for bin charges.. Landfill space is a problem and people again abuse this and are so wasteful. Since the introduction of bin charges, many people I have spoken to choose to recycle more to avoid this charge.

I like the system of the less you use, the less you pay. It stops people wasting.

I am sure the above will invoke a whole host of responses against what i've just said.... But alas, if we all believed the same thing, the world would be boring, right.;)

Jeremy, I see your point. I'm not saying I disagree. I have not made up my mind about global warming.. I to and fro on the subject a lot. But I have an issue with waste and over pollution. If the backlash on the potentially fake global warming campaign helps either of the aforementioned, well i'm all for it.

is there any charges and taxes you are not in favour of? or do you want the governement to control literally every single aspect of our lives

CDfm · 13-09-2008 4:07pm

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Examples again please.

Wait a minute- I thought this was a thread about the Professors Article the green intelligensia was dismissing.

IF you disagree so much you should argue the article point by point - you are just cherry picking and ganging up against one guy.

jeremyquinn · 13-09-2008 4:12pm

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Examples again please.

I have worked extensively with economic modelling, in particular the area of Foreign Direct Investment, which working with Ulster Bank.

We had a team working with the finance department, the whole thing was a shambles. Unsurprisingly the results were not published. What the government wanted was evidence to back up a promotional campaign. The fact is that wage rates determine investment, nothing else, hence the move of all industry to Asia.

jeremyquinn · 13-09-2008 4:15pm

utick wrote: »

is there any charges and taxes you are not in favour of? or do you want the governement to control literally every single aspect of our lives

Well said, that is after all the logical conclusion of this madness. These people welcome the nanny state, they are the same people who would have brought the teacher an apple in their school days.

Wurly · 13-09-2008 4:15pm

utick wrote: »

is there any charges and taxes you are not in favour of? or do you want the governement to control literally every single aspect of our lives

Oh yes, that is exactly what I said.:rolleyes:

Oh and water charges and bin charges are every single existing tax, are they?

If you're not going to read my post properly, then that's not my issue.

My issue is waste I said.

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