Obama on Bill O'Reilly

axer

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I think he did an excellent job. It is interesting to compare how obama is treated by O'Reilly compared to the way McCain is treated by him. Bill O'Reilly may actually have taken a bit of a shine to Obama.

eamonnm79

Thanks axer that was some eyeopener.

I guess one of the cosequences of being such an insular country is that you can hold such such a simplified and self riotious, condesending view of the rest of the world and seem enlightened, as bill O Reilly does, just because most others couldnt find Ireland on a globe.

his sweeping, "Europeans are cowardly" comment was its personification.
Its called deplomacy Bill, you trigger happy Americans might want to try it sometime.

Another classic comment from Bill was when Obama said "George Bush gave our kids a 4 trillion credit card debt that they owe the Chinese".
Bill relpied "yeah but we're just gonna tear it up". Obama seemed to agree.

Worst of all was the raid that the Americans are planning on Iraqi oil Money.

OK lads, we are going to invade you, (considered the worst crime under the geneva conventions) kill hundreds of thousands of your citizens, give large corporations control of your oil and now we're going to loot your bank accounts in Newyork and steel the money your country made from selling us oil.
Both Obama and Oreilly seemed enthusiastic about this one.

When you belong to the most imortant empire in the world you can justify doing almost anything to the rest of the world. It was the same when the British were the super power as it is now America are.

Big boys decide the rules!

The lack of empaty on foreign policy that Americans have is hardly surprising when you think how much more important they think they are than anyone else and how little they care to know about anyone outside America.

I was hoping Obama might mean a different approach. I was hopefull!
I just realised after watching this. Its impossible for any American to have any kind of balanced world view. Their selfriotious 'american matter more than anyone else' ethics, mean its impossible.

Its quite simple they are the current conquering dynesty, they have to believe in their own infalibility. How depressing that we havent really civilised at all compared to ancient empires!

axer

I don't think obama agreed with Bill on many of the points you said he did. He just didn't argue back since it would be fruitless in that Bill just wants him to say things that would alienate the republican base. It was better just to say nothing and let bill rant instead.

Another classic comment from Bill was when Obama said "George Bush gave our kids a 4 trillion credit card debt that they owe the Chinese".
Bill relpied "yeah but we're just gonna tear it up". Obama seemed to agree.

No Bill say "War on terror though" not that they are going to tear it up.

BenjAii

eamonnm79 wrote: »

When you belong to the most imortant empire in the world you can justify doing almost anything to the rest of the world. It was the same when the British were the super power as it is now America are.

Big boys decide the rules!

The lack of empaty on foreign policy that Americans have is hardly surprising when you think how much more important they think they are than anyone else and how little they care to know about anyone outside America.

Not all Americans are in agreement with the Neo-Cons view of the US as the worlds military enforcer getting what it wants with its army. Although it is curious in the Iraq war how little sympathy seems to be expressed for the massive suffering inflicted on the Iraqi civilian population compared to the public response to that in the Vietnam War.

The defining feature of the neo-cons now is their delusion. If ever the term bunker mentality could be used, its for the likes of O'Reilly as their mouthpiece.

Having strained the military to breaking point and thus made the country more unsafe, devalued the currency, inflicted huge damage on the economy, left the citizenry worse off and hugely damaged the countries standing and relationships, they want to go out in a burning pyre and take everyone with them.

Tear up the foreign debt & render US Treasury Bills worthless !!
Start another Mid East conflagration, the worse yet, by attacking Iran, with no Army to do it !!

I haven't watched this, but I hope Obama has the courage to stand up to the idiots like O'Reilly and talk to the majority of Americans who know this sort of hysteria can only make things worse for their country.

As I say, I haven't watched this, but if O'Reilly did say as you suggest that the US should default on the bulk of its foreign debt obligations, i'm utterly amazed, that sort of thinking is utterly detached from reality.

axer

BenjAii wrote: »

As I say, I haven't watched this, but if O'Reilly did say as you suggest that the US should default on the bulk of its foreign debt obligations, i'm utterly amazed, that sort of thinking is utterly detached from reality.

Neither of them suggested they default. eamonnm79 just misheard since the audio is not the best.

eamonnm79

Fair enough if I miss heard the china comment.

However Obama was deffo very happy about raiding Iraqi Government coffers to help pay for the war on terror.
Thats just plain wrong when the vast majority of Iraqi's see the Americans an illegal occupier rather than the freedom bringer they claim to be.

Obama is making a huge error in drifting to the right!
When bill accused him of having a redistribution policy he should have defended it tooth and nail. However it was much more tentitive.
He thinks it will help but he is just alienating those who were reenergised by his talk of genuine change.

My central point is that even the most liberal candidate seen in America in a long time, is not liberal at all on foreign policy and will just follow the usual self intrested intelligence advice if he becomes president.

axer

eamonnm79 wrote: »

However Obama was deffo very happy about raiding Iraqi Government coffers to help pay for the war on terror.
Thats just plain wrong when the vast majority of Iraqi's see the Americans an illegal occupier rather than the freedom bringer they claim to be.

He is not. He just wants to see the Iraqi government pay their own way from now on. It is bill that is trying to make our that we should get all the money back and barack just said lets go get it jokingly.

eamonnm79 wrote: »

Obama is making a huge error in drifting to the right!
When bill accused him of having a redistribution policy he should have defended it tooth and nail. However it was much more tentitive.
He thinks it will help but he is just alienating those who were reenergised by his talk of genuine change.

He will be then classified as a socialist ergo a communist or something like that. Obama did stand up for it and said that the richer folk such as o'reilly and obama can afford to give extra to help those that poorer i.e. "neighbourliness" as obama put it.

eamonnm79 wrote: »

My central point is that even the most liberal candidate seen in America in a long time, is not liberal at all on foreign policy and will just follow the usual self intrested intelligence advice if he becomes president.

He is not a gung ho presidential candidate like McCain is but he will not be elected as a president if he is seen as not being willing to use the military if needs be. He has said he is not afraid to use the military if it is necessary to protect the american people. He has said it already that he would always give diplomacy a good chance first, to sit down and negotiate with threats without preconditions nor without threats since they do not work. That is a change from the current administration and a change from what McCain would do.

BenjAii

eamonnm79 wrote: »

My central point is that even the most liberal candidate seen in America in a long time, is not liberal at all on foreign policy and will just follow the usual self intrested intelligence advice if he becomes president.

Thanks for clearing up the confusion on the foreign debt.

I agree with you, Obama seems to have become muted lately on his central message of change.

He should actively be talking about how he would end the war in Iraq and bring the troops home, in tandem with how he would deal with Iran/Al-Queida.
McCains, 'more of the same' on the war cannot be popular.

Ditto, bolder moves on progressive economic issues. Most Americans know they have become much worse off, they can feel it. Making access to education & healthcare more equitable & bringing propserity back to the ordinary people should be his themes.

Every day he lets McCain dominates the media with pointless trivialities (lipstick pigs) and lies is a victory for McCain, when he should be talking about the issues and exposing McCains emptiness there.

Sand

As I said a couple of months ago a lot of people are going to be devastated when they discover Obama is a politician and not the messiah.

Obama is making a huge error in drifting to the right!
When bill accused him of having a redistribution policy he should have defended it tooth and nail.

Yeah, thats a valiant sacrifice for the purity of an idealogical ideal...but Obama is a politician. He will say whatever you want to hear to get your vote. For example, he tells middle america that NAFTA is dangerous and stealing US jobs and hell deal with it if elected President. Then hell turn around to others and say "Oh sorry - I was just telling those hicks what they wanted to hear, you know how it is out on the political trail".

He thinks it will help but he is just alienating those who were reenergised by his talk of genuine change.

I think youll find "those who were reenergised by his talk of genuine change" are actually disused tools. Obama needed them to beat Clinton. He can afford to ditch those crazy fringe lunatics because he needs the center ground votes to beat McCain. And after all, who are the lunatics going to vote for if not Obama? Hes got them in the bag and can safely ignore them. Nobody likes confronting they were duped and used, theyll probably convince themselves its the vast majority of American voters that constitute the center ground that are getting lied to....

Overheal

I still detest Bill O'Reilly. His ratings are so far down the toilet he had to break down that interview into multiple segments across a week just so people would tune in.

I haven't seen the last installment yet..i was waiting all week for this interview last thur..Interesting though how this interview was broken up into four segments..Id imagine watching the uncut version it'd be more apparent that o reilly was just shouting him down for the most part, usual o reilly style..obamas not as stupid as bills usual faux liberals..he'd be well able for him...instead we get to hear everything he says taken apart by more fox hacks, an in depth insight into his body language...god forbid people just listen to what the man is saying..

norbert64

it's gonna be repeated in full this Sunday.

cooker3

Overheal wrote: »

I still detest Bill O'Reilly. His ratings are so far down the toilet he had to break down that interview into multiple segments across a week just so people would tune in.

Haha. He does that with practically every major interview he gives and has done that consistently over the years

Overheal

not nearly as huggable as larry king then. which is ironic, because larry king has the physique of a sun dried lizzard.

Affable

Sometimes I love Britain but other times I see in American culture a vibrancy and balls that we lack. As I did watching that vid.

lostexpectation

what did the taliban ever do to america?

lostexpectation

perspi what,i love have he uses big words when he has backtracks on things.