Protest in Ballina to prevent traveller family moving in

Ass

brianthebard wrote: »

Just how ignorant do you have to be to make a statement like that?

I think it's you who is the ignorant one. You are apparently ignorant of the traveller culture. It is tradition to burn the place of residence to the ground if a family member dies in that place and all of the belongings of the deceased.

DonJose

janeybabe wrote: »

I've taught travellers, and they were polite and hard working.

LOL I just sprayed tea through my nose after reading that. Mods that post belongs in the Humour forum

brianthebard

Ass Face wrote: »

I think it's you who is the ignorant one. You are apparently ignorant of the traveller culture. It is tradition to burn the place of residence to the ground if a family member dies in that place.

It *was* a tradition to burn a caravan, not a house. Ass face.

seamus

Vegeta wrote: »

Ya see I don't believe that for one second. Council spend nearly 500k on a house for 10 people is it. It would have been more expensive if they bought 2 houses putting 5 people in each. Also if the council put a family of 10 in a 3 bed semi they'd be accused of all sorts.

Quick search on daft shows plenty of equally-sized and larger houses in the same county for less than half of that price.
Before someone makes the "local area" argument, it doesn't hold water. Beggars can't be choosers. If you have to move 200 miles away to get a free home, so be it. If you don't like it, go buy your own.

daveharnett wrote: »

Yes, this attitude is frankly a racist one.

Travellers aren't a race. It's discriminatory, not racist.

SheroN

dlofnep wrote: »

How fair of you. :rolleyes:

Provided the family were screened, and were no trouble to society - I don't see the problem.

In my dealings with settled travellers on a personal level, I did not find one ounce of trouble - either next door to me, or when I was visiting my cousins (who have lived next door to a family for 30 years).

I bet you can see your house from there, up on that high horse of yours.

So you're saying it's ok to bring them in if they are screened? why screen them? Surely that's discrimination too? Don't they deserve the same chance as everyone else?

Are you suggesting because they're getting social housing they might be more likey to be troublesome and thus need screening?

Toto Wolfcastle

DonJose wrote: »

LOL I just sprayed tea through my nose after reading that. Mods that post belongs in the Humour forum

Hilarious.

I was being 100% serious though. The travellers I taught were far more polite than other students.

DonJose

janeybabe wrote: »

Hilarious.

I was being 100% serious though. The travellers I taught were far more polite than other students.

Will you stop it, my stomach is in bits and theres tears rolling outta me

FlutterinBantam

janeybabe wrote: »

Hilarious.

I was being 100% serious though. The travellers I taught were far more polite than other students.

I'm all broke up here with the dint of the laughter..

Stop it will ya!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

dlofnep

SheroN wrote: »

So you're saying it's ok to bring them in if they are screened? why screen them? Surely that's discrimination too? Don't they deserve the same chance as everyone else?

Are you suggesting because they're getting social housing they might be more likey to be troublesome and thus need screening?

LOL @ you pretending to be Lord Moral all of a sudden.

And no - I think every family who moves in should be screened, regardless of their social or economic background. It has nothing to do with them living in social housing or being members of the travelling community. I think everyone has the right to know who they are going to live next to.

Don't try spin this around. You made your bed.

AnonoBoy

Glowing wrote: »

Protest in Ballina to prevent traveller family moving in

When I saw the thread title I thought it was about Ballina, Co. Mayo. Then I remembered that travellers are always given the utmost of respect in Mayo so it must be Co. Tipperary.

Vegeta

seamus wrote: »

Quick search on daft shows plenty of equally-sized and larger houses in the same county for less than half of that price.
Before someone makes the "local area" argument, it doesn't hold water. Beggars can't be choosers. If you have to move 200 miles away to get a free home, so be it. If you don't like it, go buy your own.

Well what exactly is county council policy? If it is a "local area" type policy then it is a valid arguement as they have to obey their own policy.

SO am I getting this right that your only objection is on a waste of money front?

brianthebard

dlofnep wrote: »

LOL @ you pretending to be Lord Moral all of a sudden.

And no - I think every family who moves in should be screened, regardless of their social or economic background. It has nothing to do with them living in social housing or being members of the travelling community. I think everyone has the right to know who they are going to live next to.

Don't try spin this around. You made your bed.

So were you screened before you moved into your house? Do you had out a questionnaire to prospective neighbours?

FlutterinBantam

Not answering for Seamus, but my only objection is that I don't want an bunch of punters next to me who have two sets of rules.

1.. get as much as you can from the state(us) while contributing nothing.

2.. Contribute as little as possible while taking advantage of any handout.

There's a set of rules out there which most of us abide with.

If you don't abide with them,fcuk off and take care of yourself, with any kind of lifestyle you like.

Just don't ride on my back pilgrim.

seamus

Vegeta wrote: »

SO am I getting this right that your only objection is on a waste of money front?

Without any further information, then we can only assume that these people are in need and have requested assistance.

So yes my objection is on the fact that it's a complete waste of money when suitable property could be bought or built far cheaper elsewhere.

daveharnett

janeybabe wrote: »

My house sleeps 5 and would sell for a hell of a lot more than that.

Ok, we won't put them up in your house then. Edit: Unless you're offering a spare bed ofc. I hear that they are polite and hardworking. How about someplace in the country where you can accomodate them for a more reasonable price?

seamus wrote: »

Quick search on daft shows plenty of equally-sized and larger houses in the same county for less than half of that price.
Before someone makes the "local area" argument, it doesn't hold water. Beggars can't be choosers. If you have to move 200 miles away to get a free home, so be it. If you don't like it, go buy your own.

Ok Seamus said it better.

seamus wrote: »

Travellers aren't a race. It's discriminatory, not racist.

Why aren't they? Travellers identify themselves as "members of the travelling community", a collective identity which is inherited, and is not dependant on geography or actually travelling anywhere. They have a distinct language and culture, and they are legally recognised and protected as a minority. They practically have their own sovereign soil, given that the gardai daren't enforce Irish law on some halting sites. What other criteria do they need to fulfil?

topper75

Dudess wrote: »

When I worked in the council I met some fantastic people who were travellers/settled travellers.

There is this game I think you'd like. It's called Russian Roulette. See you take a six gun and put five bullets in the chamber, leaving one empty. You spin and ......

When Pavee Point start giving out compensation packages for house value collapses, then we can talk.

Toto Wolfcastle

daveharnett wrote: »

Why aren't they? Travellers identify themselves as "members of the travelling community", a collective identity which is inherited, and is not dependant on geography or actually travelling anywhere. They have a distinct language and culture, and they are legally recognised and protected as a minority. They practically have their own sovereign soil, given that the gardai daren't enforce Irish law on some halting sites. What other criteria do they need to fulfil?

Are they not an ethnicity?

brianthebard

daveharnett wrote: »

Ok, we won't put them up in your house then. How about someplace in the country where you can accomodate them for a more reasonable price?

This is in the country. Its a big house, that's why it costs a lot of money.

Why aren't they? Travellers identify themselves as "members of the travelling community", a collective identity which is inherited, and is not dependant on geography or actually travelling anywhere. They have a distinct language and culture, and they are legally recognised and protected as a minority. They practically have their own sovereign soil, given that the gardai daren't enforce Irish law on some halting sites. What other criteria do they need to fulfil?

They would have to be racially different to Irish and/or European people, which they are not.

Vegeta

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Not answering for Seamus, but my only objection is that I don't want an bunch of punters next to me who have two sets of rules.

1.. get as much as you can from the state(us) while contributing nothing.

2.. Contribute as little as possible while taking advantage of any handout.

There's a set of rules out there which most of us abide with.

If you don't abide with them,fcuk off and take care of yourself, with any kind of lifestyle you like.

Just don't ride on my back pilgrim.

Well that's just your view (which you are perfectly entitled to) on career leeches and is not very case specific tbh

muppetkiller

I can't afford a nice house like that ...how does one become one of these lucky traveller people ?

To be fair though this is not a traveller issue..This government has a history of punishing people who work and providing for those who don't ...With the new budget coming up I bet taxes will go up again for the higher tax bracket earners and increase the dole.

Sometimes I wonder why I bother workign at all.

seamus

daveharnett wrote: »

Why aren't they? Travellers identify themselves as "members of the travelling community", a collective identity which is inherited, and is not dependant on geography or actually travelling anywhere. They have a distinct language and culture, and they are legally recognised and protected as a minority. They practically have their own sovereign soil, given that the gardai daren't enforce Irish law on some halting sites. What other criteria do they need to fulfil?

As others have said. At best, they have a different ethnicity.

The fact that Irish discrimination legislation clearly separates "race" and "membership of the travelling community" as two distinct forms of discrimination, also means that legally in Ireland, travellers are not a race.

This is in the country. Its a big house, that's why it costs a lot of money.

What's wrong with this one?
http://tinyurl.com/67tkq9

Or even better, this one:
http://tinyurl.com/59d56r

There's 12 of them. Buy the house, stick them in it, put a foreman on the site and get them to refurbish the house. When they're done, they can keep it. (yes, I'm taking the piss)

brianthebard

muppetkiller wrote: »

I can't afford a nice house like that ...how does one become one of these lucky traveller people ?

To be fair though this is not a traveller issue..This government has a history of punishing people who work and providing for those who don't ...With the new budget coming up I bet taxes will go up again for the higher tax bracket earners and increase the dole.

Sometimes I wonder why I bother workign at all.

You should give it up, clearly you'd be better off. :rolleyes:

dlofnep

brianthebard wrote: »

So were you screened before you moved into your house? Do you had out a questionnaire to prospective neighbours?

No, I've been living here since the house has been built. Wouldn't you like to know if someone with a criminal background is living next to you? I'm not talking robbing a few sweeties in the shop - but more serious crimes.

Now why don't you address the real issue at hand, and that's SheroN's comments.

I stated that it doesn't matter who moves in - SheroN is way on his/her high horse by judging people before they move in. Asking for information so you can make an educated assessment of who is moving in is MUCH fairer than pre-judging them and not giving them a chance.

FlutterinBantam

Vegeta wrote: »

Well that's just your view (which you are perfectly entitled to) on career leeches and is not very case specific tbh

No intention of going case specific sunshine.

I'm a normal intellegent person, I see what goes on.

It ain't rocket science if you pardon the cliche.

zag

I personally would freak it. Why should I pay 1800 per month for my house, which I work hard to pay for, when free-loading travellers are getting the same house for nada.

I completely understand people's attitudes here to the snobby, condesending and smug attitude of the protesting residents, but what do you want them to say? They can hardly say,"Travellers are scum", because they are afraid of retribution. That's why they are angling their dispute towards the council.

dlofnep

Zag - I understand where you are coming from. If you pay for a house, and it's in a private housing community - then the council should not be able to provide free housing there, as it spits in the faces of those who worked hard to own their house there.

And I agree with that. I just don't agree with the condescending remarks made.

daveharnett

brianthebard wrote: »

This is in the country. Its a big house, that's why it costs a lot of money.

Are you saying that it is not possible to provide basic accommodation for 10 people in this country for less than €465,000?

Ross_Mahon

Its gas the way travellers live in these huge houses with marble columns and BMW's sitting in their driveways, Where do they get the money? Mysterious people they are...

humanji

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

No intention of going case specific sunshine.

I'm a normal intellegent person, I see what goes on.

It ain't rocket science if you pardon the cliche.

I hope that was being ironic. :pac:

Kess73

To be honest it is not as clear cut as many make it out to be. The family that they are protesting about moving into the house have been living less than a mile from the location for years now.


I drive past it each morning going to work and the place has been wrecked for years, loads of rubbish dumped, things burned out, and after having lived in the area for five years before moving back to Limerick, there was plenty of anti social issues there too.


So the family in question have been given a chance in the area before and have destroyed where they were already and have brought in many other caravans to the spot, so their track record would suggest the same will happen again.