Lesnar versus Couture..it's official!

Vince135792003 · 02-09-2008 8:22pm #1

From www.wrestlingobserver.com :

Dana White just announced that on November 15th at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas it will be UFC Heavyweight Champion Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar.

There's plenty of time to debate the fight but it looks like this could be a mega money fight.

It's great to see Randy return too.

rovert · 02-09-2008 8:26pm

Listening to the Press Conference:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mma-frenzy

Bubs101 · 02-09-2008 8:28pm

Seems a bit of a waste IMO. Couture's comeback fight was always going to be a massive draw and if Lesner loses then his record is 2-2 which is hardly awe inspiring. Definitely think they are blowing their load too early but having said that, it'll be great to see

rovert · 02-09-2008 8:29pm

Bubs101 wrote: »

Seems a bit of a waste IMO.

No

rovert · 02-09-2008 8:36pm

The F4WOnline board has crashed due to E-buys.

Fozzy · 02-09-2008 8:47pm

It's a title fight too. That'll piss off the MMA marks. Dana says it'll be the biggest UFC fight ever and I'd agree. I don't see how that can be a waste!

rovert · 02-09-2008 8:50pm

Fozzy wrote: »

It's a title fight too. That'll piss off the MMA marks. Dana says it'll be the biggest UFC fight ever and I'd agree. I don't see how that can be a waste!

Agreed, the buzz on the internet is already CRAZY. Again the F4W board went down and it never does. The Heavyweight scene has totally changed with this announcement.

Mr.Nice Guy · 02-09-2008 8:52pm

Brock's going to f*ck him up. F-5 and it's over baby.

Or perhaps not. Either way it is a fight I'd definitely like to see. Imagine if Brock won it.

amacachi · 02-09-2008 8:53pm

Nice one, glad to have Setanta now.

Not surprised with the buzz about, few lads I know who wouldn't usually give a **** will most likely be round for it.

rovert · 02-09-2008 8:54pm

Brock is ****ing ANGRY!

Raze_them_all · 02-09-2008 8:54pm

it'll piss off us mma guys alright as Brocks record is only 1-1 and getting a title shot,also if he wins and if mir beats nog it'll mean he'll be fighting mir again for the undisputed belt which means outta his 3 fights in the ufc he could potentially face mir twice.

Fozzy · 02-09-2008 8:56pm

rovert wrote: »

Agreed, the buzz on the internet is already CRAZY. Again the F4W board went down and it never does.

That's wrestling fans. They were all out for Lesnar's first fight and that had a huge PPV buyrate with a load of people who'd never bought a UFC PPV before. I'm sure they'll be watching this one as well

It was mentioned in the Observer that the fight would have a lot of bets placed on it because both sides will be absolutely convinced that their guy will win. It'll be the same sort of thing with people buying the PPV. Wrestling fans wanting to see Lesnar win and MMA fans wanting Couture to win and there'll be fans wanting to see Couture's return too

And Dana just said that Spike will be doing a three or four part build up show. I'm betting right now that it'll beat a million PPV buys and Lesnar will win :pac:

Fozzy · 02-09-2008 8:57pm

Raze_them_all wrote: »

it'll piss off us mma guys alright as Brocks record is only 1-1 and getting a title shot,also if he wins and if mir beats nog it'll mean he'll be fighting mir again for the undisputed belt which means outta his 3 fights in the ufc he could potentially face mir twice.

Four fights

rovert · 02-09-2008 8:57pm

Raze_them_all wrote: »

it'll piss off us mma guys alright as Brocks record is only 1-1 and getting a title shot,also if he wins and if mir beats nog it'll mean he'll be fighting mir again for the undisputed belt which means outta his 3 fights in the ufc he could potentially face mir twice.

MMA PROMOTION PROMOTES MARKETABLE FIGHTS SHOCKER!

Quit your Sherdogesque whining.

rovert · 02-09-2008 8:59pm

Fozzy wrote: »

That's wrestling fans.

That is not strictly true. The MMA ocverage is 50/50 on that site.

Fozzy · 02-09-2008 9:01pm

rovert wrote: »

That is not strictly true. The MMA ocverage is 50/50 on that site.

But there's a hell of a lot more people there who are only wrestling fans than people who are only MMA fans

Meltzer's on the line :pac:

rovert · 02-09-2008 9:02pm

DAVE!

rovert · 02-09-2008 9:03pm

Fozzy wrote: »

But there's a hell of a lot more people there who are only wrestling fans than people who are only MMA fans

Out of the vocal subscribers (posters on the board) thats true.

Raze_them_all · 02-09-2008 9:05pm

Fozzy wrote: »

Four fights

sorry i meant in the ufc.

It's a big money maker but lets be honest Dana is making the match to teach randy a lesson...if Brock loses it'll be disasterous when randy's next contract comes around

amacachi · 02-09-2008 9:06pm

Raze_them_all wrote: »

sorry i meant in the ufc.

So did he.

rovert · 02-09-2008 9:07pm

Raze_them_all wrote: »

sorry i meant in the ufc.

It's a big money maker but lets be honest Dana is making the match to teach randy a lesson...if Brock loses it'll be disasterous when randy's next contract comes around

What are you talking about:
Teaching Randy a lesson?
Randy's next contract?

Get a clue

Fozzy · 02-09-2008 9:08pm

Raze_them_all wrote: »

sorry i meant in the ufc.

So did I

One vs Frank. Two vs Heath. Three vs Randy. And four vs Frank. Two out of his four UFC fights would be against Mir

Raze_them_all wrote: »

It's a big money maker but lets be honest Dana is making the match to teach randy a lesson...if Brock loses it'll be disasterous when randy's next contract comes around

I don't think it's to teach Randy a lesson. Who else is there for him to fight? This is a huge huge fight. I really don't think that Randy's going to be signing another contract after his three fights

Fozzy · 02-09-2008 9:09pm

rovert, be a bit more respectful please

rovert · 02-09-2008 9:10pm

Fozzy wrote: »

rovert, be a bit more respectful please

In all due respect I think it is merited in this case.

Fozzy · 02-09-2008 9:12pm

rovert wrote: »

In all due respect I think it is merited in this case.

It's not

Gerard.C · 02-09-2008 9:12pm

JESUS CHRIST!! I hadn't even heard Couture could be returning! That's what I get for not renuing my f4w subscription for the summer. I dunno, I can't see Lesnar beating him. but I would ****ing love him him to prove me wrong. I hope Lesnar destroys him.

It's bound to be brought up sooner or later - any word on Fedor that Randy's back?

rovert · 02-09-2008 9:14pm

Fozzy wrote: »

It's not

Ok so booking Randy in a fight projected to do 1-1.5 million buys is teaching someone a lesson? This Randy's final active MMA contact.

Fozzy · 02-09-2008 9:17pm

Gerard.C wrote: »

any word on Fedor that Randy's back?

That's what 75% of the conference has been about. Dana says that Fedor's under contract to Affliction and he can't mess with their contracts. He said they'll make him an offer when Fedor's out of contract, which Dana says will be January because he thinks that Affliction will be out of business by then. But they won't co-promote or sign Fedor for one fight or anything like that

Raze_them_all · 02-09-2008 9:17pm

rovert wrote: »

What are you talking about:
Teaching Randy a lesson?
Randy's next contract?

Get a clue

Ok rovert im not going to get into a massive row like most of your threads do, so ill explain what i meant and we'll leave it at that.

1. Teaching Randy a lesson. Unless your living under a rock you;ll know Dana and Randy have had their differences over the past year or so. Instead of making it Randy vs Nog for the undesputid title which is usually the case when there's a champion and an interm champion he's made it so randy could lose his belt to a relative newcomer to the mma game and not give him the chance to face nog and become undesputed champion.

2. Yes Randy's next contract. Everyone expected him to retire years ago, he's come out of retirement on a new contract after this fight he'll only have one left. Who says he wont sign a new contract, especially if the ufc do eventually land Fedor??

Fozzy: yeah sorry i forgot about that i was leaving out the potential rematch

Fozzy · 02-09-2008 9:17pm

rovert wrote: »

Ok so booking Randy in a fight projected to do 1-1.5 million buys is teaching someone a lesson? This Randy's final active MMA contact.

So try explaining that rather than coming across as insulting

Gerard.C · 02-09-2008 9:19pm

So is this Randys last fight with the UFC? excuse my backwardness, but I'm on Dial-up for the summer and can't listen to the conferance.

Jesus I've never been this excited about a fight before!

Fozzy · 02-09-2008 9:22pm

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Instead of making it Randy vs Nog for the undesputid title which is usually the case when there's a champion and an interm champion he's made it so randy could lose his belt to a relative newcomer to the mma game and not give him the chance to face nog and become undesputed champion.

Nogueira's already facing Mir in December. They can't just cancel the fight. The winner of that may end up injured and not able to fight til May or something like that. So you'd have a 45 year old Couture just sitting on the sidelines waiting for that fight. I don't see the point in that. Especially when they can put on as big a fight as Brock vs Randy!

Raze_them_all wrote: »

2. Yes Randy's next contract. Everyone expected him to retire years ago, he's come out of retirement on a new contract after this fight he'll only have one left.

He said that he's signed a new three fight contract. I'm sure he still has that ambassador's contract, so he's still going to be contracted to the UFC after his third fight in some capacity

Raze_them_all · 02-09-2008 9:23pm

no it's not his contract has two fights on it, if he beats brock they cant just let him go with the belt again while the tournament has been announced.

Fozzy · 02-09-2008 9:23pm

Gerard.C wrote: »

So is this Randys last fight with the UFC?

His third last. With an obvious disclaimer that anything can end up happening. But that's how it stands for now

Raze_them_all · 02-09-2008 9:25pm

oh he's already signed a new 3 fight deal??? sorry i missed that *insert valid reason for my mistake here*

rovert · 02-09-2008 9:27pm

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Ok rovert im not going to get into a massive row like most of your threads do, so ill explain what i meant and we'll leave it at that.

1. Teaching Randy a lesson. Unless your living under a rock you;ll know Dana and Randy have had their differences over the past year or so. Instead of making it Randy vs Nog for the undesputid title which is usually the case when there's a champion and an interm champion he's made it so randy could lose his belt to a relative newcomer to the mma game and not give him the chance to face nog and become undesputed champion.

2. Yes Randy's next contract. Everyone expected him to retire years ago, he's come out of retirement on a new contract after this fight he'll only have one left. Who says he wont sign a new contract, especially if the ufc do eventually land Fedor??

Fozzy: yeah sorry i forgot about that i was leaving out the potential rematch

1. Dana is promoting the most marketable fight in front of him. No one cares about pure MMA match making except the hardcore fans.

2. Randy signed a three fight and he is with UFC for life, so there is no lessons being tought here. Three fights is a relatively long time for someone his age.

So again my asking you to get a clue does have some basis.

rizzla · 02-09-2008 9:32pm

Is this the first fight announced for this card or has there been additional fights made?

Should be a good fight. Doubt Couture will be able to pin Brock against the cage. Brock should win this.

Raze_them_all · 02-09-2008 9:33pm

not really any basis, I made a mistake which i've admitted by not knowing he had signed a new deal, I made a contribution which to be fair is better than the :rolleyes: you posted on the mma boards. Your reply just makes you out to be looking to get a rise out of me but it's failed.

Also the hardcore mma fans were once casual fans, which is why the ufc succeeded, they turned the casual fans into hardcore before it got extremely popular and they will continure to do so, So by playing the randy fedor fight he will continue to turn the casual fans that are on the edge of being hardcore fans

Fozzy · 02-09-2008 9:38pm

rizzla wrote: »

Is this the first fight announced for this card or has there been additional fights made?

I think that it's the first fight officially announced, but there's a few others "rumoured". What I mean is that the fighters have said that they're fighting at it, there just hasn't been an official announcement. So far it's going to be:

Kenny Florian vs Joe Stevenson
Gabriel Gonzaga vs Josh Hendricks
Amir Sadollah vs someone

And they've talked about getting Rampage Jackson on this show too, but no indication of an opponent yet

rovert · 02-09-2008 9:38pm

Raze_them_all wrote: »

not really any basis, I made a mistake which i've admitted by not knowing he had signed a new deal, I made a contribution which to be fair is better than the :rolleyes: you posted on the mma boards. Your reply just makes you out to be looking to get a rise out of me but it's failed.

Ive replied subsequently, with the knowledge you displayed in that post it did deserve a :rolleyes:. I was more or less proved right on it too.

gimmick · 02-09-2008 9:39pm

Once again another thread destroyed by petty bickering:rolleyes:

Massive fight. I look forward to it. Seems odd that they are sending Brock to the top of the card so soon, but if thats where the money is, thats what it must be.

Raze_them_all · 02-09-2008 9:41pm

Fozzy wrote: »

I think that it's the first fight officially announced, but there's a few others "rumoured". What I mean is that the fighters have said that they're fighting at it, there just hasn't been an official announcement. So far it's going to be:

Kenny Florian vs Joe Stevenson
Gabriel Gonzaga vs Josh Hendricks
Amir Sadollah vs someone

And they've talked about getting Rampage Jackson on this show too, but no indication of an opponent yet

I think everyone hope's Florian wins this one...I dont think anyone desires to see stevenson taking on bj again...

gimmick · 02-09-2008 9:46pm

^ Hmm, thats opinion, not fact. Be careful of that round here.

Raze_them_all · 02-09-2008 9:49pm

gimmick wrote: »

^ Hmm, thats opinion, not fact. Be careful of that round here.

personally I dont find the thought of this happening again too appealing and I worry for those that do

rizzla · 02-09-2008 9:49pm

Any rumours about who Sadollah might be fighting? Hope it's not someone from his time in TUF.

rovert · 02-09-2008 9:50pm

gimmick wrote: »

^ Hmm, thats opinion, not fact. Be careful of that round here.

Dont start any trouble here, give me an example of me asking someone to back a statement that starts or take it back:

I dont think anyone

etc

F4W have posted an audio update.

ShawnRaven · 02-09-2008 9:54pm

rovert wrote: »

Dont start any trouble here,

This thread is already down the crapper, so i'll say this now and get it over and done with. But the trouble was already started by you, which Fozzy already called you on (but in your mind, you still didn't see that you were being a complete ass to raze_them_all)

And then you have the gall to say the above? Talk about the pot and the kettle.
I'm sorry i took you off ignore in the first place, back you go until you cop the f*ck on!

VR!

rovert · 02-09-2008 10:00pm

validreasoning! wrote: »

This thread is already down the crapper, so i'll say this now and get it over and done with. But the trouble was already started by you, which Fozzy already called you on (but in your mind, you still didn't see that you were being a complete ass to raze_them_all)

raze was totally uninformed (a fact to his credit he admitted in part) yet was the most vocal shooting me and I asked him two questions relating to Randy and asked him to get a clue. What was major problem? It was on topic.

validreasoning! wrote: »

And then you have the gall to say the above? Talk about the pot and the kettle.
I'm sorry i took you off ignore in the first place, back you go until you cop the f*ck on!
VR!

Yeah the gall to ask gimmick not to post something that Ive never actually done in attempt insult me.

I really dont care if you have me on ignore due to why you put me on ignore the first place.

Fozzy · 02-09-2008 10:03pm

Just keep on topic now

Gerard.C · 02-09-2008 10:05pm

Go on Rovert boy.

When is this fight taking place actually?

rovert · 02-09-2008 10:07pm

Fozzy wrote: »

Just keep on topic now

I have, Fozzy and gimmick took it off topic. Regardless of what went on with Raze_them_all and myself, Id rather have 10 of him than former two.

Anyway this poll continues to rule:

Who would you predict to win this match if it takes place?
Brock Lesnar
669 51.1%

Randy Couture
640 48.9%

Lesnar versus Couture..it's official!

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