Provisional Car License and motorbikes...

Fabio

Hi guys,

I'm due to do my Theory Test soon for what will hopefully be, on completion, my first ever driving license.

I will be doing the Car Theory Test so it will be a category B provisional license.

The bike I have ready to go is a Honda Innova 125 (well probably 124.9cc ye know yourselves).

What I need to know is, am I ok with the provisional B license to ride this motorbike?

I have checked insurance and Quinn have quoted me as just under €700 for the year with a provisional B license on this bike so I am assuming the license situation is fine...

jvc

From the RSA website Here

You can drive only the type of vehicle for which you hold a licence/permit. And you must carry your driving licence/learner permit at all times when driving.

Im pretty sure ul have to do a seporate theory test for the bike before you can get a bike licence. If a Guard stops you on a bike i cant see them being very impressed with only a car licence. Also in the event of an accident you could run into serious problems with insurance because you dont have a bike licence.

Im no expert but i would say dont ride a bike without a bike licence.

Diarmey

Yeah,you have to do a seperate test.

Wossack

Fabio wrote: »

What I need to know is, am I ok with the provisional B license to ride this motorbike?

no

you cant ride any bike on a provisional B, whatever the cc

Limerick Bandit

Wossack wrote: »

no

you cant ride any bike on a provisional B, whatever the cc

if you had a full B then you could ride a bike up to 49cc but not on a provisional

You will have to do a seperate theory test for a motorcycle licence. You cannot ride a motorcycle with a B licence. If the cops stopped you, you could be arrested for driving without a licence.

Fabio

Feck it anyway...that really is sh!t.

I know it's for our own safety and all of that but it really puts a spanner in the works as regards me finally getting on the road.

Thanks for leaving me know though.

Is there much difference between the bike theory test and the car theory test though???

Greenmachine

Fabio wrote: »

Feck it anyway...that really is sh!t.

I know it's for our own safety and all of that but it really puts a spanner in the works as regards me finally getting on the road.

Thanks for leaving me know though.

Is there much difference between the bike theory test and the car theory test though???

I can't even fathom for a second why someone could think this. The fact that a full B licensed driver can ride a scooter without holding that class of licensed is on par with the old rule for people on their second provisional driving unaccompanied.

Wishbone Ash

Fabio wrote: »

that but it really puts a spanner in the works as regards me finally getting on the road

Why?

All you have to do is pass both theory tests and then apply for a Learner Permit in both categories.

Fabio

I think that's what I am going to do alright.

I could even do both on the same day but I am wondering would it be worth my while having the car (b) license on me if I am never going to use it as isn't there a time limit on it?

By the way, I just took a random bike theory test on the cd-rom I bought a few months back (2nd edition) and passed it so perhaps it's not too bad.

Can anyone shed some light on the differences for me if ye have time? The test is booked for Sept 9 so every day counts at this stage!

faceman

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Why?

All you have to do is pass both theory tests and then apply for a Learner Permit in both categories.

The waiting list for the bike test is massive at the moment due to the priority given to car tests. One poster in this forum was waiting 48 weeks.

EDIT: actually that was for his full test, come to think of it, i dont know the waiting time for bike theory test

Fabio

It's way shorter for the theory...about ten days here in Cork.

Wishbone Ash

Fabio wrote: »

I am wondering would it be worth my while having the car (b) license on me if I am never going to use it as isn't there a time limit on it?

If you don't intend driving a car in the next few years you'd be better to cancel it and do the bike theory test. They are only valid for 2 years AFAIK.

Del2005

Fabio wrote: »

Hi guys,

I'm due to do my Theory Test soon for what will hopefully be, on completion, my first ever driving license.

I will be doing the Car Theory Test so it will be a category B provisional license.

The bike I have ready to go is a Honda Innova 125 (well probably 124.9cc ye know yourselves).

What I need to know is, am I ok with the provisional B license to ride this motorbike?

I have checked insurance and Quinn have quoted me as just under €700 for the year with a provisional B license on this bike so I am assuming the license situation is fine...

I'm more worried about the fact that Quinn gave the OP a quote with a provisional B licence. There was a thread here also where someone got a quote off Quinn for a 16 year old on a 250:eek:

sutty

Get both the A and B, The b will give you the option of leaning to drive a car. Which can come in handy at times. There's no point in limiting your-self and then having to reapply and sit test in the future.

Steffano2002

My French B License ("Full" License - we don't have provisional licenses) enables me to ride bikes up to 125cc but only on the French territory. And that's because I've had it over 2 years.

Isn't it the same in Ireland?

galwaytt

Steffano2002 wrote: »

My French B License ("Full" License - we don't have provisional licenses) enables me to ride bikes up to 125cc but only on the French territory. And that's because I've had it over 2 years.

Isn't it the same in Ireland?

EU regs on licences are governed, mainly, by power/weight ratio - so it's not as simple as a cc-only rule......depends on your age, too.

Steffano2002

But I am allowed to ride a 125cc bike in France (must be less than 15bhp or 11 Kw) thanks to my B License! Can Irish people do something similar with their full B License?

egan007

Fabio wrote: »

Feck it anyway...that really is sh!t.

I know it's for our own safety and all of that but it really puts a spanner in the works as regards me finally getting on the road.

Thanks for leaving me know though.

Is there much difference between the bike theory test and the car theory test though???

It's attitudes to Motorcycles like this that makes it a good thing that you have to do both.

-Yes there are specific questions for a Motorcycle, it's aimed at gauging if you know anything about the potentially lethal machine you are going to be licensed to control of the streets. - A bitch, I know....

Del2005

Steffano2002 wrote: »

But I am allowed to ride a 125cc bike in France (must be less than 15bhp or 11 Kw) thanks to my B License! Can Irish people do something similar with their full B License?

We had the M licence on full B licences till a couple of years ago. In France you can drive pedal assisted bikes at a young age, they are classed as mopeds over and you need to be 16 to ride them.

Different countries have their own rules and the EU is making things worst by bringing in laws the different countries interput in different ways. Just look at direct access. The UK has it yet NI hasn't and they are all part of the UK of GB and NI.

Wossack

Limerick Bandit wrote: »

if you had a full B then you could ride a bike up to 49cc but not on a provisional

is this still the case since the introduction of the seperate theory tests for 2-wheelers?

I'd presume to get just an 'M' license (on its own like), you'd have to do the motorbike theory test, rather then do the car one (/edit, yep, 'AM' theory test link)

I cant see how you can get the 'free' M license on your full B, since the introduction of the seperate theory tests without doing the 'AM' theory test - unless since that introduction, they're doing a 'you may apply if you hold a full B since before such-and-such' clause..

Steffano2002

Del2005 wrote: »

We had the M licence on full B licences till a couple of years ago. In France you can drive pedal assisted bikes at a young age, they are classed as mopeds over and you need to be 16 to ride them.

Actually in France, all you have to do to be allowed to ride a moped (doesn't have to be "pedal-assisted" - just has to be under 50cc) is be over 14 years old and obtain a "brevet de sécurité routière" which is some sort of theory test you do in school.

Back in my day (the '90s) all you needed was to be over 14! Madness... Don't know how I didn't get killed!

Del2005

Steffano2002 wrote: »

Actually in France, all you have to do to be allowed to ride a moped (doesn't have to be "pedal-assisted" - just has to be under 50cc) is be over 14 years old and obtain a "brevet de sécurité routière" which is some sort of theory test you do in school.

Back in my day (the '90s) all you needed was to be over 14! Madness... Don't know how I didn't get killed!

Thanks I wasn't sure of the pedal assited bit myself or the full rules in France, I just know they are much more relaxed then here

Fabio

egan007 wrote: »

It's attitudes to Motorcycles like this that makes it a good thing that you have to do both.

-Yes there are specific questions for a Motorcycle, it's aimed at gauging if you know anything about the potentially lethal machine you are going to be licensed to control of the streets. - A bitch, I know....

No attitude egan...I know bikes are lethal machines and have to be respected and driven as such but it just means that I had to pay out money I wasn't planning too.

I've practiced the test and know the specific questions alright. Damn right there should be a bike test really but it's a bitch getting the test mixed up as I did.

CrazyRabbit

Fabio wrote: »

Is there much difference between the bike theory test and the car theory test though???

Well on the bike theory test they only ask one question about reversing tractors instead of the 2 questions for the car test.

martydunf

iv had my full car driving licence for over 2 years.... i doubt it but il ask anyway......is there any way that i can drive any kinda motorbike with the above licence??

Fabio

From what I have read you have to go and take the motorbike theory test and then get your provisional motorbike license no matter what.

KTRIC

martydunf wrote: »

iv had my full car driving licence for over 2 years.... i doubt it but il ask anyway......is there any way that i can drive any kinda motorbike with the above licence??

Why would you think that you can drive a bike with a car licence ??

Fabio

Well it used to be the way that you could do so and it seems that quite a few people don't know that things have changed...

bmcgov86

all this confusion just shows what a mess the system is in!

Limerick Bandit

bmcgov86 wrote: »

all this confusion just shows what a mess the system is in!

Do you drive a bike?

bmcgov86

Limerick Bandit wrote: »

Do you drive a bike?

ye im on a kawasaki zxr400, only have a provisional tho

galwaytt

Fabio wrote: »

From what I have read you have to go and take the motorbike theory test and then get your provisional motorbike license no matter what.

The short answer is...........maybe !

If your full car licence was issued before (iirc Oct 06), you can get an M added to your existing licence(s), just by asking for it.

If your full licence was issued after that, you have to do an AM Theory test.........and you're into all the palaver that goes with it.

So, start with the easy bit: when did you get your full car licence ?

Bearpup

Hey there,

I am just looking for some advice, my boyfriend has just gotten his first provisional motorbike license and has bought an unrestricted 650cc. Is it legal to drive this on the road or does it have to be restricted as he only has a provisional license? any info wuld be much appreciated!

EvilMonkey

carlylong wrote: »

Hey there,

I am just looking for some advice, my boyfriend has just gotten his first provisional motorbike license and has bought an unrestricted 650cc. Is it legal to drive this on the road or does it have to be restricted as he only has a provisional license? any info wuld be much appreciated!

What bike is it? I think all the 650s are over the 25kW limit so if its under the power to weight ratio 0.16kW/kg then it should be ok if not it will probably should be restricted to be legal.

carlylong

carlylong wrote: »

Hey there,

I am just looking for some advice, my boyfriend has just gotten his first provisional motorbike license and has bought an unrestricted 650cc. Is it legal to drive this on the road or does it have to be restricted as he only has a provisional license? any info wuld be much appreciated!

If it's a yamaha dragstar 650 then its learner legal. It's right on the power/weight limit on the provisional licence.

Bearpup

Hey, Thanks for the reply, Its a bandit 650 & to me, looks like a big heavy bike...

RasTa

Yup, the Guards will take the bike off him if he gets stopped.

Bearpup

RasTa wrote: »

Yup, the Guards will take the bike off him if he gets stopped.

Thanks a mill, Yea I thought that was the case alright and tried to tell him but "apparently" I know nothing about bikes so Im talking crap!!

Wossack

they make about 70hp afaik, so are well over the restriction

not licensed to ride em on a prov