Star Trek inconsistencies

nyarlothothep

Lets try and explain away as best or as worst we can, the multitudes of inconsistencies in star trek. I believe star trek is real, so if anyone could help me resolve these inconsistencies I would be greatful.


1. Why are there no seats except for the three at the front on the 1701d in TNG, surely Worf and everyone else would get tired standing for hours on end. This would also apply to voyager.

2. Why are the computer graphics in TNG in the 23rd century not anywhere near as good as what we have now or even in 1999?

3. Why in one particular episode of TNG when Geordi and Ro get turned into ghosts does the romulan agent explode dramatically when he is sent into space? This doesn't happen when you're sent out unprotected into space.

4. Again the space deal, captain archer in one particular episode jettisons himself out into space unprotected before being beam to the enterprise where he is seen with icicles coming out of his hair. Now unless the surrounding oxygen had something to do with it I can't see how he could be covered in snow after spending 10 seconds in space as you don't freeze rapidly in space as there is nothing to conduct the heat away from you.

If anyone has any more inconsistencies to contribute please do so.

nyarlothothep

Also,

Data, a sociopathic android, would you really trust him to be in the crew??? I mean he killed his own brother, and tried to kill the collector dude before being beamed up. He then subsequently withholds the truth from Riker, saying something happened in transit.

Troy got random hallucinations which incredibly everyone believed

and Worf constantly ignored starfleet regulations when it suited him because of his klingon heritage.

And Wesley zipping off around the universe with an old dude just seems a bit gay.

Janeway was a psycho aswell, completely illogical in most of her command decisions. Like when she ran through a wall of fire just to look tough, justifying it under the rationale that it was the only way to save the ship, she wasn't thinking hard enough!

User45701

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies.htm

great read

Johnny Storm

How about Spock smiling broadly in "Where no man has gone before"?

nyarlothothep

he was part human, maybe he lost himself for a few seconds...

heres another one, in TOS the romulan space cruisers had the exact same design as the klingon ones.

Posy

nyarlothothep wrote: »

And Wesley zipping off around the universe with an old dude just seems a bit gay.

LOL

jhegarty

I will try get started on some of those....


1. Why are there no seats except for the three at the front on the 1701d in TNG, surely Worf and everyone else would get tired standing for hours on end. This would also apply to voyager.

All the stations at the back have seats, as do the con offices.. actually security is on the only one without a seat.... maybe he needs to be alert....

2. Why are the computer graphics in TNG in the 23rd century not anywhere near as good as what we have now or even in 1999?


the displays are functional , I don't see any need for them to look good...

I think its more strange that nx-01 is covered in our current plasma tv's....

3. Why in one particular episode of TNG when Geordi and Ro get turned into ghosts does the romulan agent explode dramatically when he is sent into space? This doesn't happen when you're sent out unprotected into space.


a human in phase with us would not exploded , but have you ever thrown a romulan that has been shifted into a different dimension into space ?


4. Again the space deal, captain archer in one particular episode jettisons himself out into space unprotected before being beam to the enterprise where he is seen with icicles coming out of his hair. Now unless the surrounding oxygen had something to do with it I can't see how he could be covered in snow after spending 10 seconds in space as you don't freeze rapidly in space as there is nothing to conduct the heat away from you.


you got them there , the water should boil , not freeze....

User45701

nyarlothothep wrote: »

he was part human, maybe he lost himself for a few seconds...

heres another one, in TOS the romulan space cruisers had the exact same design as the klingon ones.

it was because of a short livewd klingon/romulan alliance. Romul;ans wanted more advancved ships and got some D7's from the klingons while the klingons gained cloaking tech, enterprise kinda ****ed up that contunituiy tho

Actually in star trek 3 - search for spock the klingon bird of pray in the orginal script was a capturaed romulan prototype. but they cut that out of the story to shorten the movie.

Kiith

jhegarty wrote: »

a human in phase with us would not exploded , but have you ever thrown a romulan that has been shifted into a different dimension into space ?

Well, now that you mention it...

Ciaran B

nyarlothothep wrote: »

3. Why in one particular episode of TNG when Geordi and Ro get turned into ghosts does the romulan agent explode dramatically when he is sent into space? This doesn't happen when you're sent out unprotected into space.

Did he explode? I thought he just floated off through space. Although this gives rise to another question:

Why don't Ro, Geordi and the Romulan drop through the decks of the ship and into space?

jhegarty

Ciaran B wrote: »

Why don't Ro, Geordi and the Romulan drop through the decks of the ship and into space?

the artificial gravity must have made it through to that phase....

the big one is everyone is missing about that though ... where did the air for them to breed come from..

nyarlothothep

perhaps they underwent a transformation like Quinn Dexter, a character out of a sci fi trilogy called Nightsdawn. I know that when he underwent that transformation from going to sub levels of reality he didn't need oxygen. His biological processes were suspended effectively. I would say the same happened to ro and geordi.

Heres another one, do you know the episode where time is slowed down by aliens who live in singularities and basically picard, data, geordi and troi investigate the enterprise where everyone is trying to stand perfectly still badly? Im not well up on my physics but when Picard moves Worfs arm would it not take him ages to do so, or how did that work given that worf is on a much slower timeframe whereas picard is on a normal one. Would his arm disintegrate by being simply being moved so fast?

Irishtrekkie

User45701 wrote: »

it was because of a short livewd klingon/romulan alliance. Romul;ans wanted more advancved ships and got some D7's from the klingons while the klingons gained cloaking tech, enterprise kinda ****ed up that contunituiy tho

Actually in star trek 3 - search for spock the klingon bird of pray in the orginal script was a capturaed romulan prototype. but they cut that out of the story to shorten the movie.

damit i wanted to say all that , i also think i read somewhere the real reason was either that the klingons d7's looked better on camera and that the orignal romulan bird of prey from balance of terror was lost in a fire ( i know they used stock footbage to have it in a later esp (the deadly years))

the esp where the romulans are using d7s was Enterprise Incident , and in the remastered esp that changed one of them to a bird of prey , which i thought was cool.

see the remasterd bird of prey in Enterprise incident
http://trekmovie.com/2008/04/03/first-images-from-the-enterprise-incident/

they also replaced the stock footage in dealdy years with new sfx

http://trekmovie.com/2007/11/09/the-preview-for-remastered-the-deadly-years-never-gets-old/

Rascal77

How did the enterprise get back to it's normal time at the end of first contact?At the end it just creates it's own vortex.Didn't think it could do that especially without a deflector dish.

jhegarty

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Heres another one, do you know the episode where time is slowed down by aliens who live in singularities and basically picard, data, geordi and troi investigate the enterprise where everyone is trying to stand perfectly still badly? Im not well up on my physics but when Picard moves Worfs arm would it not take him ages to do so, or how did that work given that worf is on a much slower timeframe whereas picard is on a normal one. Would his arm disintegrate by being simply being moved so fast?

the arm-bands created a bubble of normal speed time around them , so the air around them , or the arm went into their speed

nyarlothothep

jhegarty wrote: »

the arm-bands created a bubble of normal speed time around them , so the air around them , or the arm went into their speed

which is what I was thinking, but if one half of the arm moves at an incredibly faster speed than the rest of the body as it exists in slow space, would it not be amputated as a result?

komodosp

1. Why are there no seats except for the three at the front on the 1701d in TNG, surely Worf and everyone else would get tired standing for hours on end. This would also apply to voyager.

On Earth with our pathetic 21st century shoes, yes, but in space with their artificial gravity, and 23rd century (or is it 24th) technology in footwear, no one ever gets tired!

2. Why are the computer graphics in TNG in the 23rd century not anywhere near as good as what we have now or even in 1999?

Because starfleet are too cheap to pay for decent graphics!

3. Why in one particular episode of TNG when Geordi and Ro get turned into ghosts does the romulan agent explode dramatically when he is sent into space? This doesn't happen when you're sent out unprotected into space.

I don't remember him exploding, but I suppose Romulan bodies behave differently from human bodies.

And Wesley zipping off around the universe with an old dude just seems a bit gay.

That's not an incosistency, it was consistent with the overall gayness of the Wesley character...

where did the air for them to breed come from..

They were breeding? The one I saw they were just hugging!

karlr42

Rascal77 wrote: »

How did the enterprise get back to it's normal time at the end of first contact?At the end it just creates it's own vortex.Didn't think it could do that especially without a deflector dish.

Excellent point, just a bit of a plot hole there. I would expalin it away by saying the chronometric field could be produced with the nacellles as a subspace field? :clutch at straw:

jhegarty

nyarlothothep wrote: »

which is what I was thinking, but if one half of the arm moves at an incredibly faster speed than the rest of the body as it exists in slow space, would it not be amputated as a result?

well there is only one way to find out... we only need a galaxy class start ship , a romulan war bird, a runabout , some time speed-e-upie armbands and a volunteer who doesn't mind having his arm removed....

nyarlothothep

hmmm, the only reason I can think of which is unconvincing is that the field extends to an area sufficient to also encompass Worf. In fact come to think of it that would make sense for Geordi to program in a field of that size given that the crew member may inadvertently walk into their comrades in slow time which would make them explode. But heres another thing...why do the people in slow time move ever so slightly as if they were pretending to stand still...

norrie rugger

nyarlothothep wrote: »

hmmm, the only reason I can think of which is unconvincing is that the field extends to an area sufficient to also encompass Worf. In fact come to think of it that would make sense for Geordi to program in a field of that size given that the crew member may inadvertently walk into their comrades in slow time which would make them explode. But heres another thing...why do the people in slow time move ever so slightly as if they were pretending to stand still...

Because it is slow time and they move but in slow movements?

Or that the time pockets moved slightly causing them to shudder a bit.















Or the bloody actors were for once not as wooden as they always were?

nyarlothothep

norrie rugger wrote: »

Because it is slow time and they move but in slow movements?

Or that the time pockets moved slightly causing them to shudder a bit.















Or the bloody actors were for once not as wooden as they always were?

yeah, the time pockets explanation is a good one, I think it was that, you know slight perturbations in the global time matrix

Anti

Rascal77 wrote: »

How did the enterprise get back to it's normal time at the end of first contact?At the end it just creates it's own vortex.Didn't think it could do that especially without a deflector dish.

Good point ! Didnt worf or picard blow it up with a few borg on it ?

DesignLady

The Trill race changed completely between their first apearance on TNG and becoming an established race on DS9.

Even within DS9 there were contradictions. In season 1 Jadzia is put on trial for a crime Curzon committed but later it's esablished that joined Trills can't be held responsible for crimes commited by previous hosts.

T'Pol. Just in general. The whole development of a charater was inconsistant with everything that had been established.

Troi's abilities. She could communicate telepathically with Riker in Encounter at Farpoint but that wasn't really brought up again.

The past. Voyager went back to Earth in 1996- what happened to the Eugenics wars?

nyarlothothep

The Voyager one can be explained by the everitt interpretation, as soon as they went back to 1996, they created an alternate universe.

Why are all the computer systems extremely similar in terms of interfaces on all the alien ships, basically touch screen with lighted symbols. I remember watching this on Voyager, Paris etc board the alien ship with the slipstream drive and can work out the interface relatively fast as its very similar to Voyagers and all the other alien systems in the star trek universe.

cyrusdvirus

nyarlothothep wrote: »

The Voyager one can be explained by the everitt interpretation, as soon as they went back to 1996, they created an alternate universe.

Why are all the computer systems extremely similar in terms of interfaces on all the alien ships, basically touch screen with lighted symbols. I remember watching this on Voyager, Paris etc board the alien ship with the slipstream drive and can work out the interface relatively fast as its very similar to Voyagers and all the other alien systems in the star trek universe.

Wasn't the Dauntless (the alien ship i think you are referring to) made look like a Starfleet ship, and therefore would have had normal Starfleet consoles. How Arturis, the alien chappie who built it, knew what a Starfleet console would look like is another thing.....

As for ships in the Alpha quadrant, maybe they decided to try and keep them all as generic as possible to allow for rescue missions (and also ship hi-jackings, captures etc)

DesignLady

All the races stole or bought from other races or just spied on them to get the technology so that's how things are all similar??

cyrusdvirus

DesignLady wrote: »

All the races stole or bought from other races or just spied on them to get the technology so that's how things are all similar??

Possible.

Irishtrekkie

gatecrash wrote: »

Wasn't the Dauntless (the alien ship i think you are referring to) made look like a Starfleet ship, and therefore would have had normal Starfleet consoles. How Arturis, the alien chappie who built it, knew what a Starfleet console would look like is another thing.....

I actually think nyarlothothep , might be confusing slipstream with a Coaxial warp drive, And was talking about the esp Vis à Vis , where paris is able to control and fly Steth's ship after like 5 mins .

Irishtrekkie

DesignLady wrote: »

The Trill race changed completely between their first apearance on TNG and becoming an established race on DS9.

Even within DS9 there were contradictions. In season 1 Jadzia is put on trial for a crime Curzon committed but later it's esablished that joined Trills can't be held responsible for crimes commited by previous hosts.

T'Pol. Just in general. The whole development of a charater was inconsistant with everything that had been established.

Troi's abilities. She could communicate telepathically with Riker in Encounter at Farpoint but that wasn't really brought up again.

The past. Voyager went back to Earth in 1996- what happened to the Eugenics wars?

Well o.k. i will give you the Trill one , but well maybe the orignal ones where a subspecies , or it is just a regional different , like the way asians have different facial features , or romulans and some of them having brow ridges .


What stuff are do you mena aout T'Pol ?, but if its about her being super emotional , well i put that down to her addictions to Trellium-D and if enterprise had gone on for another season , they where writing a script where it turns out T'pol has Romulan blood (like her father was a Romulan spy or something).

Troi's abilities .....well she was just lame , lets leave it at that.

And in 1996 the Eugenics wars where not really effecting America, the wars where mostly in the middle east and asia (thats where khan ruled)

Irishtrekkie

Rascal77 wrote: »

How did the enterprise get back to it's normal time at the end of first contact?At the end it just creates it's own vortex.Didn't think it could do that especially without a deflector dish.

Hmm thats a really good one , but i mean a deflector dish is a really important part of a starship , if it breaks in deep space you would be screwed , they must have a spare or a back up , even just the parts to build a new one. Or maybe a Temporal vortex can be made by reconfiguring the shields generators

Johnny Storm

In at least one TNG ep and in the fifth movie crew members face almost certain death while climbing / hanging around in immensely tall turbolift shafts.
Why in the name of Jebus would you have the artificial gravity turned on inside a turbolift shaft :eek: ?

noodler

No ships protecting Earth when the Xindi approach in the end of ENT season 3.

Yet at the start of season 4 (at the end of the two parter) there is a bloody armada of Star Fleet and Vulcan ships around Earth.

cyrusdvirus

noodler wrote: »

No ships protecting Earth when the Xindi approach in the end of ENT season 3.

Yet at the start of season 4 (at the end of the two parter) there is a bloody armada of Star Fleet and Vulcan ships around Earth.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me??

noodler

Wah?

cyrusdvirus

They got caught with their pants down before and 7 million (or something like that) people paid the price

So they decided to make sure that something like that couldn't happen again.

(EDIT)

Total and complete kerwaffle.... Read your original post as the end of S3 followed by a comment about the end of S4

noodler

But I thought there were only 2 other ships in service (both non-warp).

I think it would have been so much cooler to see the pitiful star fleet army of the time try (in vain) to stop the Xindi onslaught at the end of season3.

I just thought of a way to explain it away, maybe when the Xindi were approaching earth at the end of S3, the TCW was already in full swing and earth was back in the 1940s?

Sure Ill make a stretch to save the Xindi arc cos I love it.

karlr42

But it did. In Generations, the enterprise-B is the only ship in the sector when the nexus arrives.
The Breen can fire on Earth's surface, so presumably even at the height of the Dominion War Starfleet hasn't mastered security of the Sol system.

noodler

What do you mean Gatecrash?

cyrusdvirus

karlr42 wrote: »

But it did. In Generations, the enterprise-B is the only ship in the sector when the nexus arrives.
The Breen can fire on Earth's surface, so presumably even at the height of the Dominion War Starfleet hasn't mastered security of the Sol system.

Presumably by the time the Enterprise-B was launched, the outer defences were reckoned strong enough to defend against any invading force.

In relation t the breen, with their shield/ship disabling weaponary the entire fleet could have been stationed in near earth orbit and not been able to do a thing about it

@ Noodler, i meant that i read your original post incorrectly. I thought you were referring to the end of season 3 then in the next line to the end of season 4, whereas you were referring to the end of the Season 4 opener

Goodshape

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Irishtrekkie

noodler wrote: »

No ships protecting Earth when the Xindi approach in the end of ENT season 3.

Yet at the start of season 4 (at the end of the two parter) there is a bloody armada of Star Fleet and Vulcan ships around Earth.

Well the Xindi was a sneak attack , so star fleet where caught where their pants down.
Which happens alot, see every movie and 2nd esp for more details.


http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/prefed_ships.htm

1 Intrepid type.

2 Sarajevo type (looks like something that the vulcans helped them with)

3 Unnamed class II (Little triangle ships)


The Intrepid types and Unamed ones , both have warp nacelles so must be warp ships , just not warp 5 like the NX class. And in the dialog in Ent they talk about lot of other ships i.e. someone is captain of this or he served on that ship . so i think ENT was just a little Like TOS in that they wanted the enterprise to be like the ONE ship all the time. I get the NX Class was the first real deep space ships , but the must have some other class doing stuff . like if the Earth Cargo Service has ships flying around , starfleet or UESPA would have warp 2-3 ships for sure.


I mean according to cannon the Romualan war would have began in what ? ENT 5-6 Season , they would have needed a fleet by then , so it seems to be a cause that we just never saw alot of them at once. In fanfiction and stuff i know they say that other Coalition of Planets members (vulcan , andoria , tellarite ...etc) helped earth out by giving them resources and use of ship yards to build more NX ships to fight the romulans.

Cause i mean come on they built 2 bloody nx class ships in 4 seasons which is just a joke.
Yes i know they keep saying one more was almost finished that must be the "Challenger" then , and 2 or 3 more where on the drawing board but what they hell does that mean , you think after the xindi attack they could have got them off the drawing board and into space, bulit most of them on the surface if you have to , or something.

nyarlothothep

In the older ST films with kirk or even in some voyager episodes why are do they have cathode ray monitors instead of flatscreens, come on its the 24th century, surely they all have flatscreen at this stage.

Johnny Storm

For the same reason that the Rooskies used vacuum tubes rather than silicon chips in some of their MiGs - they are not vulnerable to EMP.
(As good a reason as any ????? )

nyarlothothep

thats a good justification.

Ok Neelix's daily shipwide tv show, apart from being really unnecessary and the crew inexplicably tolerating it...why is the screen resolution so low for it, lower than what we have today on tv screens if its the 24th century with amazing technology? You can see the lines, it looks very mid 90s/cheap Hitachi.

User45701

gatecrash wrote: »

Presumably by the time the Enterprise-B was launched, the outer defences were reckoned strong enough to defend against any invading force.

In relation t the breen, with their shield/ship disabling weaponary the entire fleet could have been stationed in near earth orbit and not been able to do a thing about it

@ Noodler, i meant that i read your original post incorrectly. I thought you were referring to the end of season 3 then in the next line to the end of season 4, whereas you were referring to the end of the Season 4 opener

The breen can cloak, i dont know why they didnt use it more often but was that not a reason given for the klingon fleet sent my empor Mocklor ? during the 2nd empire being defeated without ever being heard from?

Actually maybe not but im sure it was mentioned somewhere, i mean when you think about it those ships probbaly crosed 1000 lightyears of federation space before reaching earth

cyrusdvirus

It may not be canon, but way back in the day, when i had was a win98 pc and Klingon Acadamey worked, it was mentioned in the game that a cloak was only truly effective at low (sublight) speeds, otherwise the energy output was just too high, and a ship could be detected that way.

User45701

it was referenced in season 3 of ds9 when the combined tal shiar/obsidian order fleet was traveleing at warp 6 because to travel any fast would have alerted the gemhadar

cyrusdvirus

User45701 wrote: »

it was referenced in season 3 of ds9 when the combined tal shiar/obsidian order fleet was traveleing at warp 6 because to travel any fast would have alerted the gemhadar

I thought the Jem Hadar had some method of detecting cloaked ships anyway? Or is it my memory playing tricks?

User45701

they intoduced the dominions long range tacylon scanner in season 6 "soldiers of the empire" (atleast i think thats the one) - the one with Kor.

IvySlayer

How come aliens look very similar to humans?

We came from our ancestors....gorillas.....was there a Romulan Gorilla? I know one TNG episode explained it, seeding, but all over the galaxy? How does one get ridges, what enviroment requires
ridges, or spots.

How come aliens world had the same trees and plants?

.....Yeah. Bit of variety please!

How come every alien has the same timezone as Earth?

How many times did you hear an alien going 'I'll met you in an hour''....erm...

How come they all spoke English?

How does the universial translator work It can translate even if they haven't heard the langauge before...how....

How come their clothes sucked?

Seriously. Uniforms are good, normal clothes *puke* And what is with Picard pulling his jumper every 5 seconds!

Combadges - telepathic?

If Riker was on another ship or on a planet you would normally see him hitting his combadge ''Riker to Bridge''

But....you can hear that bit on the Bridge scene....HOW DOES IT KNOW? The combadge knows where its speaking to before he even says it! IE Picard to Engineering, Picard to La Forge

How come every panel has an explosive underneath it?

I'd wanna wear a helmet and thick gloves before touching a panel.

Why didn't the Borg assimilate animals?

A Borg Cow


How come security lockouts or overiding something don't work?

Yeah. Norton Antivirus would do a better job.

Sorry if I ruined star trek for you :P