Honest Curiosity

HouseHippo

I'm not an athiest, I believe in a higher power, just on a more spirtitual level.

I met a "born again Christian" at a party the other night. We got talking and she told me she doesn't believe in:

The big bang,
Evolution,she favours Adam and Eve
She thinks the solar system is IT no universe and that the sun orbits around the earth.

She also believed that her sole purpose of being was for God's glorification and that's all her life was meant for. I for one think that whatever or whomever "God" may be his purpose for us is far larger then the narcassitic idea of pure worship.

I couldn't believe how she could ignore all the evidence around her, I showed her http://www.astronomy.ie/perpespective.html and still she denied the big bang etc. Just because there is a greater universse out there, infinite infact doesn't mean there is n't as god infact the beauty of the universe is enough to inspire awe.

I admire her values, and will power and have no problem with her strong sense of Faith(I think without Faith the world would be very dangerous)

i was just wondering about other Christians perspective on this. Does anyone share this belief, how can you ignore science?

jhegarty

This might be worth a read :

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055363053

HouseHippo

jhegarty wrote: »

This might be worth a read :

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055363053

My thread

Húrin

She probably has a fortress mentality. She sees contradictions between faith and science that are not there. Atheists usually see the same contradictions.

Fanny Cradock

Yeah, there are a number of Christians in Ireland who aren't big into science because they erroneously think that it is a threat to their faith. I've never understood this and I'm quite surprised that she is quite so blinkered in her beliefs. For instance, that she doesn't believe that there are other solar systems out there is quite staggering. This is like building your faith on foundations in the sand.

kelly1

HouseHippo wrote: »

The big bang,
Evolution,she favours Adam and Eve
She thinks the solar system is IT no universe and that the sun orbits around the earth.

I can understand how people have difficulties with evolution or maybe abiogenesis but how could anyone believe that there's nothing outside the solar system or that the earth is the centre of the solar system? A basic understanding of gravity would show that this makes no sense.

evil-monkey

kelly1 wrote: »

I can understand how people have difficulties with evolution or maybe abiogenesis but how could anyone believe that there's nothing outside the solar system or that the earth is the centre of the solar system? A basic understanding of gravity would show that this makes no sense.

+1

i think some people just say these things to pass the time. if she genuinely believes that the earth is the centre of our galaxy then she is a moron. and that is not being overly harsh. how gravity works is not a matter of faith or beliefs, it is a proven scientific fact...but some people just come up with these things...

a guy actually tried to convince me the other night that the holocaust was a Jewish conspiracy to gain sympathy, and that they organised the massacre of themselves and pinned it on Hitler...he genuinely tried to make that point...don't waste your time with these people...they're morons and nothing more...

believing in things beyond science is one thing. ie; God. I don't believe in him. But I can't prove he doesn't exist. Nor can anyone prove he does. I've respect for someone with faith, as much for someone without. It's down to belief. But Earth being the centre of our galaxy?? pssshhhh...

jackdaw

HouseHippo wrote: »

I'm not an athiest, I believe in a higher power, just on a more spirtitual level.

I met a "born again Christian" at a party the other night. We got talking and she told me she doesn't believe in:

The big bang,
Evolution,she favours Adam and Eve
She thinks the solar system is IT no universe and that the sun orbits around the earth.

She also believed that her sole purpose of being was for God's glorification and that's all her life was meant for. I for one think that whatever or whomever "God" may be his purpose for us is far larger then the narcassitic idea of pure worship.

I couldn't believe how she could ignore all the evidence around her, I showed her http://www.astronomy.ie/perpespective.html and still she denied the big bang etc. Just because there is a greater universse out there, infinite infact doesn't mean there is n't as god infact the beauty of the universe is enough to inspire awe.

I admire her values, and will power and have no problem with her strong sense of Faith(I think without Faith the world would be very dangerous)

i was just wondering about other Christians perspective on this. Does anyone share this belief, how can you ignore science?

She's an idiot .. pure and simple ..

the sun orbits the earth ?? I mean come on ...

even the catholic church have finally admitted they were wrong on that one ...

religion is pure social conditioning .. nothing else .. I wouldn't even try to
argue with these fools

Biro

Back to this old thread!!
What does she think she's looking at when she sees the stars at night, if there's nothing outside our solar system?

kelly1

Biro wrote: »

Back to this old thread!!
What does she think she's looking at when she sees the stars at night, if there's nothing outside our solar system?

I'd love to hear her answer to this!

Galvasean

Biro wrote: »

Back to this old thread!!
What does she think she's looking at when she sees the stars at night, if there's nothing outside our solar system?

I was just about to say that.
Maybe it's fireflies that got caught in the big blue thing (Lion King reference).

Mal-Adjusted

wow. fair enough, belief in god is one thing because it can't be proven or disproven, but not believing in other stars is not so much ignorance as sheer collosal will power (especially since you can clearly SEE thousands of them:rolleyes:)

Speaking as a biologist, i know evolution is still classified as theory, but thats just a technicality as any conclusive experiments would take thousands of years and generations to prove.

She's just unwilling to accept scientific truths

Seaneh

I have a very funny feeling she was taking th piss out of you.

I know a LOT of christian youth who, when out at parties and so forth when they get asked stuff like this they decide to have a little fun with "the bollox trying to take the piss".

Not I'm not saying you were taking the piss but unless she was raised by a 500 year old puratin there is no way she actually believes that there is only the solar system and that the sun orbits the earth.

I guy I know, Adrian, will routinely tell peopel is is a morman, a scientologist, a Jehovas wittness, that he believes that The earth is flat, that he believes that Earth is only 3000 years old, that dinosaurs and people lived at them same time etc etc etc because when he's out at a party and trying to enjoy himself the last thing he needs is someone with a load of drink on him asking daft questions and, usually, trying to take the mick out of "the stupid religious fella".

TBH, you've been had mate.

However on the sex before marriage thing, she was probably telling the truth, a LOT of evangelical youth will have a belife that no sexual contact (including kissing) should happen before marriage, and in all fairness it's their fecking choice.

HouseHippo

No I haven't been had she is a member of some mad crazy cult her parents raised her like that

PDN

HouseHippo wrote: »

No I haven't been had she is a member of some mad crazy cult her parents raised her like that

Your OP said she was "a born again Christian" and that you wanted to know what other 'Christians' believe.

Now you're telling us that she's actually not part of a Christian Church but rather of some "mad crazy cult"?

eoin5

PDN wrote: »

Your OP said she was "a born again Christian" and that you wanted to know what other 'Christians' believe.

Now you're telling us that she's actually not part of a Christian Church but rather of some "mad crazy cult"?

In a venn diagram with set A as Christian Churches and set B as Mad Crazy Cults there is surely some overlap, the Palmarian Church for instance.

PDN

eoin5 wrote: »

In a venn diagram with set A as Christian Churches and set B as Mad Crazy Cults there is surely some overlap, the Palmarian Church for instance.

Just as there would be an overlap between atheists and the Chinese Communist Party. However, if I posted in the A&A forum quoting a Chinese torturer and then asked "what do other atheists believe?" then I would rightly be accused of trolling.

BTW, the Palmarian Church is a splinter from Roman Catholicism - nothing to do with born again Christians.

eoin5

PDN wrote: »

Just as there would be an overlap between atheists and the Chinese Communist Party. However, if I posted in the A&A forum quoting a Chinese torturer and then asked "what do other atheists believe?" then I would rightly be accused of trolling.

BTW, the Palmarian Church is a splinter from Roman Catholicism - nothing to do with born again Christians.

I was just pointing out that its easy for someone to be in both sets, difficult to get the benefit of the doubt round here.

Fanny Cradock

As was PDN

Though, I would say that the use of the word 'easily' is somewhat contentious.