Vegetarians - delusional, romantic tree-huggers, or warriors of a noble cause?

Tom Dunne

In recent threads, we have examined closely what makes the modern brother tick. We have arrived at various conclusions, most of which escape me at the moment, none of which probably matter.

So now we turn our attention to that curious cause that is vegetarianism. I don't know about you, but when I see a furry creature, I don't think "Aww, isn't it cute?". No, the first thing that pops into my head is whether it would go better with pasta or spuds. As all the brothers know, we are meat-eating, beer-drinking, wimmins-loving men. A step above Neanderthal man on the evolutionary scale, if you will. The very notion of not eating a mound of animal flesh every day is, quite frankly, preposterous.

What, therefore, is this whole vegetarianism thing all about? What drives a creature at the top of the food chain to say, thank you, but I will skip the animal section just below us, and continue down further until I get to the fruit and veg section? Has it led to a form of vegetarian racism on this very forum where we scorn those that choose not to be like us?

We all agree it is acceptable for teh wimmins to be vegetarians, but what if a brother decided to "come out" and admit to not liking meat?

These are important questions, I am sure you will agree.

g'em

What a thought-provoking, well-structured, insightful OP Tom.... are you ill?

Much in the same way that the survival of the fittest relies on inbalances of genetic potential for the survival of an organism in a given environment, I fear that the predicament of having a veg.. veget... no, I'm sorry, I just can't say that word, it's just so wrong... having a non-meat eater *spit* on the forum is a problem that may only fleetingly present itself, but the problem is self-resolving. Them non-meat eaters just aren't equipped for survival in the BGRH world and their directionless meaningless existence will drift out of the flame of life in due course, and swiftly enough to have prevented the horrific chance of the proliferation of their lackluster genetic potential i.e. they're just not sexeh enough to attract the attentions of real wimmins.

Slow Motion

Cut it's throat, shave its arse, show it the fire and put it on a plate!

star-pants

My post will be less articulate.

I'm not vegetarian, but I shall admit I dislike the taste & texture of beef. I'll eat the odd bit of ham once a year (hot out of the pot), but the most I would eat is chicken / fish. Even then I'm very picky about it. I just don't really like most meat, taste/texture. Which is why I would opt for the veggie option on a menu moreso.

but I don't think that should be held against me - however - for the brothers... hmm most brothers like meat. Though I had a friend who gave up meat when he was training and then found he couldn't eat it when he tried to go back, his stomach wouldn't let him. That was odd.

Tom Dunne

g'em wrote: »

What a thought-provoking, well-structured, insightful OP Tom.... are you ill?

Not so much ill, more troubled by my fundamental lack of understanding of brothers who don't eat meat. Either that, or I got an extra shot in my morning coffee, I can't quite figure out.

Slow Motion wrote: »

Cut it's throat, shave its arse, show it the fire and put it on a plate!

Well said, Brother Slow. Spoken like a true brother.

star-pants wrote: »

but I don't think that should be held against me - would you look down on me Tom for my food choice?

I most certainly would not. I draw your attention to this particular section of my post:

Tom Dunne wrote: »

We all agree it is acceptable for teh wimmins to be vegetarians....

Wimmin vegetarians = acceptable
Brother vegetarians = ?

Slow Motion

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Wimmin vegetarians = acceptable
Brother vegetarians = Brotherette

Will

I love lamp meat. To put it bluntly when I poke my steak with a fork I like to hear it moo.

I will be honest, I considered becoming vegetarian (for about half an hour) because I saw a documentary on how the animals were treated in the abbatoires. It appauled me. This is one of a few reasons why a brother may become a vegetarian. Ethics, I won't harp on about the documentary but I will say that it shocked me and shook me to the core.

I shook it off though, grabbed a beer and cooked up a nice lump of sirloin steak.

Some people don't like the taste of meat, however I would go so far as to say it is in our nature to eat meat. We have teeth for carving up the stuff, more for chewing it and breaking it down. If we weren't meant to eat meat our teeth would be all flat. This has the potential to be a very interesting topic of conversation.

John Mason

two points: -

1. Cows are bad for the enviroment - m'kay
2. My fang teeth are in in actual fact flat. i can prove this to you at the next beers.

so inclusion, my body was no in fact design to eat meat

star-pants

Tom Dunne wrote: »

I most certainly would not. I draw your attention to this particular section of my post:


Wimmin vegetarians = acceptable
Brother vegetarians = ?

I know -apologies - I'd misread it & thus edited my post

It's odd, I like the smell when you walk into a butchers though...

John Mason

If i was able to kill, skin and butcher my own animals i would probably eat the meat.


For many years i would go hunting with my dad for pheasent, rabbit, etc. i would have to carry them home and help with the plucking but i have gone far too soft in my old age to be able to carry out these necessities but if it came to life and death and i was stuck up in a mountain with no food and a few dead bodies, i would have no problem eating the dead people

Will

Ok so lessons learned so far;

Never go on a camping trip with irishbird, or holiday that may involve slight chances of you being left alone with her.

Zaph

Burn them all!

Slow Motion

Zaph wrote: »

Burn them all!

But not too much, wouldn't want to ruin the taste!

star-pants

see I don't think even in the life or death situation could I eat someone...

Tom Dunne

Will wrote: »

Ok so lessons learned so far;

Never go on a camping trip with irishbird, or holiday that may involve slight chances of you being left alone with her.

Correction Brother Will -

"underneath every seemingly docile vegetarian is a ravenous carnivore awaiting the opportunity to ravage every morsel of flesh from your bones"

Just ask Brother Des.......

grames_bond

(brother) vegetarians should be eaten.....its as simple as that, because everyone knows things that eat grass taste good! [/denis leary rant]

here.from.day.1

I know some wimminz who just dont like the taste of meat!

John Mason

Zaph wrote: »

Burn them all!

charming brother zaph - i will remember that

star-pants wrote: »

see I don't think even in the life or death situation could I eat someone...

see it is all about survivial of the fittest but we leave in a society where that is not necessary.

can i all remind you hitler was veggie (this may be an unban legend)

Doctor DooM

Why would I eat the food that my food eats? It's that simple, really.

trout

I have read this thread with great care and attention. This is a thorny issue, no doubt, and worthy of some serious cogitation.

I have pondered at great length on the various, complex and mani-fold issues from an ethical and evolutionary standpoint, taking into account the strong logical arguments for & against current practices in animal husbandry, namely growing great quantities of grain to feed a relatively small number of cows.

I have considered the undeniable fact that 'dumb' animals have inalienable rights, are capable of forming social groups & attachments to their young, and a certain level of what we can only call emotion and intelligence.

I have read the works of lofty & deep thinkers on this subject, ranging from Henry David Thoreau, George Bernard Shaw, Oscar Wilde, and even Leonardo da Vinci.

I have come to the following conclusion ... I like steak.

Zaph

irishbird wrote: »

charming brother zaph - i will remember that

That was merely in reference to non-Brotherette veggies. It has already been established that it's OK for the wimmins to be non-carnivorous. Of course had my statement applied to all veggies I would have made an exception for you anyway. I'd hate to see Brother Des upset because there was no-one around to make his rasher sandwiches.

irishbird wrote: »

see it is all about survivial of the fittest

Brothers, we're truly fcuked. Ah well, too late to worry about that.

irishbird wrote: »

can i all remind you hitler was veggie (this may be an unban legend)

No, it's true. Please see my original comment as to what should be done with non-wimmins veggies. Would have saved a lot of trouble.

grames_bond

irishbird wrote: »

can i all remind you hitler was veggie)

exactly.....so im certain extreme cases, vegetarism can lead to genocide! eat up folks!

Splinter

i must say, the fact that such a post considering this brings darkness to a young brother's heart. there is no better feeling than devouring something which at one stage could moo. when i order steak there is a strict order of "no green stuff or anything that is not meat/potato or pepper sauce"

i however, like brother will, have considered going veggie... the downfall was the fact that i pondered this as i ate a steak kebab so needless to say i quickly shook that notion.

i am thankful that in the next 50 minutes i will be sitting down in the local with a very large lump of steak and will be tucking into it in delight that an animal gave up its very life for a brother to enjoy

Tom Dunne

It is interesting to observe that the Bohemian Brothers amongst us, and by that of course I mean Brothers Will and Splinter, have considered vegetarianism.

Is vegetarianism a sign of creative talent? Of non-conformity? Of, perhaps, a free-spirited thinker?

Do those that refuse to conform seek solace in the arms of vegetarianism? Is it, dare I say, a form of revolution? Or maybe two fingers to the degenerate society of low moral values we find ourselves in?

Splinter

the reason i believe that i considered it was during an effort to try make my body gain weight as many of you have realised upon meeting me. i do not possess a beer belly... besides the fact i put away quite a fair bit of the good beverage, steak i also eat a fair bit and nothing... i in a drunken thought considered that maybe all this meat was doing the opposite effect and hiding my true brother beergut but i realised that not eating meat would be much worse...

Zaph

splinter wrote: »

i in a drunken thought considered that maybe all this meat was doing the opposite effect and hiding my true brother beergut

That is spectacularly drunk, well done Brother.

Tom Dunne

splinter wrote: »

the reason i believe that i considered it was during an effort to try make my body gain weight

Oh, right.

Well that blows my theory out the window.

And I've always wanted to use the word "bohemian" in a post in BGRH.

Slow Motion

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Oh, right.

Well that blows my theory out the window.

And I've always wanted to use the word "bohemian" in a post in BGRH.

Well you couldn't use it in a post of any significance in soccer now could you!

Splinter

Zaph wrote: »

That is spectacularly drunk, well done Brother.

thank you brother Zaph, i aim to please the brothers and displease my liver

The Master

If God didn't want us to eat animals he shouldnt have made them out of food

John Mason

i like vegetables

grames_bond

irishbird wrote: »

i like vegetables

**must.......not ......make......stephen....hawking......joke**

ChewChew

Interesting. Very effin interesting.

I have no problem with veggies. Just dont sit at the table with me while I order. Or order a meat dish while I am there and scoop the meat to the side. no no no. respect for the cow. it dont deserve to be pushed to the side.

When I was a kid my Dad worked in a Horse Abbatoir. Nice things are those horseys. Nicer to munch on, I'll tell you all that much. I saw the whole process of the slaughtering of the horsey right from the bullet between the eyes, knife to the throat to the skinning and gutting of these beautiful creatures. I saw hundreds of them over the years. My job (cause I was only ikkle) was to power hose the blood down the drains and put the gut waste into the compactor. My sisters (damm the 2 of them) were able to participate in the de-gutting and skinning.

Now some might think that after seeing all that, that I would be vegetarian (or slightly disturbed). But no. Far from it. I like a good sirloin steak. Medium-rare with sautéed onions and mushrooms, maybe a little pepper sauce. . depends on my mood! :cool:

Tom Dunne

ChewChew wrote: »

Interesting. Very effin interesting.

I have no problem with veggies. Just dont sit at the table with me while I order. Or order a meat dish while I am there and scoop the meat to the side. no no no. respect for the cow. it dont deserve to be pushed to the side.

When I was a kid my Dad worked in a Horse Abbatoir. Nice things are those horseys. Nicer to munch on, I'll tell you all that much. I saw the whole process of the slaughtering of the horsey right from the bullet between the eyes, knife to the throat to the skinning and gutting of these beautiful creatures. I saw hundreds of them over the years. My job (cause I was only ikkle) was to power hose the blood down the drains and put the gut waste into the compactor. My sisters (damm the 2 of them) were able to participate in the de-gutting and skinning.

Now some might think that after seeing all that, that I would be vegetarian (or slightly disturbed). But no. Far from it. I like a good sirloin steak. Medium-rare with sautéed onions and mushrooms, maybe a little pepper sauce. . depends on my mood! :cool:

You are so hot right now.

ChewChew

Tom Dunne wrote: »

You are so hot right now.

Well I ain't telling you no more of my stories!!

astrofool

irishbird wrote: »

2. My fang teeth are in in actual fact flat. i can prove this to you at the next beers.

so inclusion, my body was no in fact design to eat meat

Thats why you've evolved hands with opposable thumbs, and why men created metallic tools (knife and fork) for you to shred the cooked animal before ingesting it.

On the other hand, you could just swallow the morsels whole and let your stomach acid do the work, seal style. More meat in half the time.

Havermeyer

I have nothing against vegetarians.

However, I've said it before and I'll say it again: If god didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of food.

I was wondering; What would a vegetarian feed their pets i.e. cats or dogs, if they believe the way meat is 'provided' is unethical (the hardcore veggies, lets say).

Gaspode

ChewChew wrote: »

Interesting. Very effin interesting.

I have no problem with veggies. Just dont sit at the table with me while I order. Or order a meat dish while I am there and scoop the meat to the side. no no no. respect for the cow. it dont deserve to be pushed to the side.

When I was a kid my Dad worked in a Horse Abbatoir. Nice things are those horseys. Nicer to munch on, I'll tell you all that much. I saw the whole process of the slaughtering of the horsey right from the bullet between the eyes, knife to the throat to the skinning and gutting of these beautiful creatures. I saw hundreds of them over the years. My job (cause I was only ikkle) was to power hose the blood down the drains and put the gut waste into the compactor. My sisters (damm the 2 of them) were able to participate in the de-gutting and skinning.

Now some might think that after seeing all that, that I would be vegetarian (or slightly disturbed). But no. Far from it. I like a good sirloin steak. Medium-rare with sautéed onions and mushrooms, maybe a little pepper sauce. . depends on my mood! :cool:

Jeez Chewchew, what a cute tale. I'm dying for a good horse steak now.

Salads and other non-meat laden meals are for metrosexual namby-pambies and have no place in the diet of true men.

LolaLuv

This thread needs a poll!

Stheno

nummnutts wrote: »

I have nothing against vegetarians.

However, I've said it before and I'll say it again: If god didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of food.

I was wondering; What would a vegetarian feed their pets i.e. cats or dogs, if they believe the way meat is 'provided' is unethical (the hardcore veggies, lets say).

I know several veggies who feed their dogs and cats (and cats need meat) veggie food which is supplemented with artificial versions of the stuff they need from meat like taurine.

Me? I like my steak blue

DenMan

It's amazing. Our descendents were tree dwellers who lived in fear from predators. We had to "evolve" to become carnivores!!! Now where is that George Foreman Grill of mine.

Havermeyer

nouggatti wrote: »

I know several veggies who feed their dogs and cats (and cats need meat) veggie food which is supplemented with artificial versions of the stuff they need from meat like taurine.

Now that's hardcore. Hats off to them.

However, I'm talking about the veggies that feed them pedigree chum and all that.

Stheno

nummnutts wrote: »

Now that's hardcore. Hats off to them.

However, I'm talking about the veggies that feed them pedigree chum and all that.

Most of the veggies I know who feed normal cat/dog food feed only food that's non animal tested and contains only meat fit for human consumption.

I must now confess to being evil.

I went through a phase of feeding my dogs a Bones and Raw food diet, and had temporary care of a dog who was in the hands of a vegan.

Said vegan handed me a bag of vegan dog food and said it was the only thing the dog would eat.

Poor animal thought he had died and gone to heaven when his dinner the next day was a pile of chicken wings, mince and other non vegan goodies

And yes I told the vegan of this

Zaph

DenMan wrote: »

Now where is that George Foreman Grill of mine.

Your what???!!!

You won't impress anyone around here with talk of such abominations that remove all the fatty, meaty goodness from your food. :mad:

DenMan

Zaph wrote: »

Your what???!!!

You won't impress anyone around here with talk of such abominations that remove all the fatty, meaty goodness from your food. :mad:

You again, my arch nemesis. What's happenin' Zaph? The last time we crossed paths regarding the George, the charter was changed.

Zaph

DenMan wrote: »

You again, my arch nemesis. What's happenin' Zaph? The last time we crossed paths regarding the George, the charter was changed.

One has to be vigilant against the forces of darkness (that's the grill btw, not George Foreman himself before I'm accused of racism ).

And seeing as you mentioned said charter, may I point out that it says:

Any products that fail to show required respect to tasty animal fats, such as George Foreman Grills *spits*

Now whaddya got to say to that grillboy?

taidghbaby

i have to say i do quite enjoy them as an addition to my meat!

carrots and peas are my favourite! quite like turnips too!

not a fan of brussels sprouts though and never have been!!

trout

sprouts are the most foul of all vegetables

dr.bollocko

I am the most subtle form of anti-vegetarian, I am the turner.
If ever a vegetarian gets drunk but not drunk enough to go to a kebab shop, I am there offering a sausage roll.
Sausage. The gateway meat.
If ever a vegetarian stall is promoting the soysage, soy chicken or soy steak, I am there switching out the meats when they are looking away in thinly veiled self disgust.
I lobbied mars to put the whey back in too.
Soon this scourge will be wiped clean from the earth, almost as if it never happened at all, and I will be there, with my steak and jack daniels dipping sauces, wheezing uncomfortably and offering rabbits sausage rolls.
And who is to stop me? PETA? Pshaw.

Tom Dunne

Brothers, Brotherettes and wimmins, dark times are upon us.

As a moderator of BGRH, is is imperative that I live my life in the Real World as a true Brother. As such, I don't do shopping. Full stop. I have my Better Half organise for the obliging Tesco people to deliver the goods on a Saturday morning.

While searching through the delivery yesterday morning, I came across what can only be described as an abomination of dietary vulgarity - artificial mince meat. WTF? Quorn mince? Questions regarding the integrity of Tesco's home delivery service aside, I am struggling to comprehend what exactly the purpose of Quorn mince is? What is the purpose of "pretend" meat? Why not just eat real meat? Do veggies miss it that much that they have to have pretend meat?

Oh, and seriously, do any of the veggies out there want two bags of frozen Quorn mince?

(the two bags of Quorn mince must be karma payback for me starting this thread )

taidghbaby

quorn mince is real :eek:

i thought it was just a makey-up thing used to scare children like the boogie man or feminism!!