Worse 'big' name jockey currently riding!?

mbradso2003

Lads it must be Richard Hills...

I would love to know the stats on jockeys percentage of wins on favs especially odds on favs.. The amount of times i see him being beaten at short prices in the blue and white silks is unreal!

R Hills is terrible, cant ride a finish and weak as hell..

I cannot believe some of the rides he gets!

This is not sour grapes BTW I have to fancy a horse 120% to bet it when he is on it and that doesnt happen often!

UnitedIrishman

Don't like backing Jamie Spencer because he always rides the same way: sits at the back and relies on the horses ability to take him to the front near the finish.

Same with Paul Carberry. Never backing him again since his exploits in Cheltenham last year.

punchestown

Hills R & M, Drowne S, Fentiman D and king of the claimers Mr. B Connell!

Shan75

I agree about Richard Hills.He is a disaster.If I fancy a horse he's riding I just don't bet on the race.So many times in the past he has made a mess of it I just gave up on him.
Jamie Spencer gets a bad time from punters sometimes but he is Champion Jockey albeit in a time when the depth in quality is lacking in GB.He can frustate you at times as you wonder if he is going to make a move at all but when it all goes right it looks fantastic.

I also think certain horses are suited by certain jockeys.For example in this year's Grand National King John's Castle was given a soft patient delicate ride and ended up running his best race ever with Paul Carberry,the master of allowing a horse an easy time, aboard.Now if AP, brilliant though he indoubtedly is, was on him giving him a hard time I think it's fair to say there is no way he would have finished 2nd.He probably wouldn't have finished at all.The problem for Carberry is he tries this tactic with horses that need to be beaten up to run to their best.

All told people love to blame jockeys when a horse loses but sometimes a jockey's style does not suit that particular horse so the trainer should have employed a more suitable rider or else the horse simply is not good enough.There are times of course when it is the jockeys fault especially in the case of R Hills and his almost equally inept brother Michael.

cson

Spencer's decision making is questionable at the best of times. As Shan75 said he is Champion Jock by default almost, i.e. there just isn't the quality there at this moment in time. If Spencer was a top jock he'd still have the Ballydoyle job.

While I'm loathe to criticise Ruby Walsh, unless he's riding for Nicholls or Mullins I am very tentative to back him, he never seems to give other trainers good value for money and while these are just rumours, I have heard it mentioned about him stopping horses. Superb horseman though and most definitely has earned the right to be Champion Jock.

I'd also say that some of the top jocks both flat and jumps can get lazy. That is, they're so used to having the best horses under them that when they get on something that actually needs riding, they aren't able for it. Just a thought.

Frankie Lee

cson wrote: »

Spencer's decision making is questionable at the best of times. As Shan75 said he is Champion Jock by default almost, i.e. there just isn't the quality there at this moment in time. If Spencer was a top jock he'd still have the Ballydoyle job.

While I'm loathe to criticise Ruby Walsh, unless he's riding for Nicholls or Mullins I am very tentative to back him, he never seems to give other trainers good value for money and while these are just rumours, I have heard it mentioned about him stopping horses. Superb horseman though and most definitely has earned the right to be Champion Jock.

I'd also say that some of the top jocks both flat and jumps can get lazy. That is, they're so used to having the best horses under them that when they get on something that actually needs riding, they aren't able for it. Just a thought.

I agree with names mentioned here, except I think it's heresy to criticize a Carberry, he has more talent than most of the jockeys put together.

I agree with what you say about ruby, alot of the time in small meetings he has produced horses way too late but thats no evidence of stopping horses.
Barry Geraghty has been very average in the past couple of years.
Slippers Madden has let me down as a punter more time than anyone else, never seems to get a horse home.
Paddy Flood is a terrible jockey during the winter for some peculiar reason, every summer he's on fire though.
Mick Kinane is well past it, however it looks like Oxx's horses are coming back into form again.

Mr.B.Connell hardly counts the dogs in the street know how unpredictable he is.

mike65

Any jockey that will not ride for the places, or adopts a hold-up style regardless of the horses ability/conditions.

Mike.

Tinytony

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Mr.B.Connell hardly counts the dogs in the street know how unpredictable he is.

He is shocking, but they are his own horses and he's entitled to ride them as he wants. Punters know what to expect (or should do) when he's on board so they can't have any complaints when he f**ks up what looks like a certain win.

Morgans

Carberry may sometimes get it wrong, (as all jockeys do) but he is the most talented NH jockey riding. My pecking order would be

1. Walsh
2. Carberry
3. Murphy
4. McCoy

Geraghty is the poorest of the big name NH jockeys. He isnt awful, but doesnt deserve to mentioned in the same sentence as the above four.

stretchaq

How in the name of god can you put any Jockey ahead of Mccoy he regul;arly wins on pure donkeys of JP MCcmanuses and has to go down as the greatest jump jockey riding at the moment if not the greatest ever!!!!!!

punchestown

mike65 wrote: »

Any jockey that will not ride for the places

Mike.

Richard Hughes, take a bow!

NewApproach

Richard Hills is poor, though in fairness he is good at judging pace from the front, as is Dettori.

Hughes has given some shockers in his time, not least Home Affairs two or three years ago (dont think its on youtube, but it was a truly shocking ride). However, he seems to have become alot more consistant since he lost the gig with Khalid Abdullah

premierstone

Have to agree with the ''Hills sisters'' and also ''Frank'' Spencer and i would also defend Paul Carberry to the hilt he is a natural horse man

istabraq

Lets not forget Kevin Manning and of course the great J P Magnier but J P again is entilted to ride these horses but he is not for me.

Morgans

stretchaq wrote: »

How in the name of god can you put any Jockey ahead of Mccoy he regul;arly wins on pure donkeys of JP MCcmanuses and has to go down as the greatest jump jockey riding at the moment if not the greatest ever!!!!!!

As Shania once sang, "Hammering home donkeys don't impress me much". Roddi Greene, Warren Marston, Adrian Maguire and years ago David Bridgewater used to do the same regular enough. (Adrian Maguire in a differnet league to the others in jockeyship) In most races I see of McCoy on McManus donkeys they are well beaten. Not through McCoy's fault. I feel sorry for him taking the job on occasions. Anyway, I oppose all of them in all races. When he is on a good/top class horse, McCoy is one of the best around, and not far behind the other three. By all accounts, he is one of the nicer of the leading jockeys also.

Just because he wins the most doenst make him the greatest jockey ever. Often said by fools on ATR, who in the next breath say Ruby is the greatest.

Skyuser

Kinane is useless now

stretchaq

Morgans wrote: »

As Shania once sang, "Hammering home donkeys don't impress me much". Roddi Greene, Warren Marston, Adrian Maguire and years ago David Bridgewater used to do the same regular enough. (Adrian Maguire in a differnet league to the others in jockeyship) In most races I see of McCoy on McManus donkeys they are well beaten. Not through McCoy's fault. I feel sorry for him taking the job on occasions. Anyway, I oppose all of them in all races. When he is on a good/top class horse, McCoy is one of the best around, and not far behind the other three. By all accounts, he is one of the nicer of the leading jockeys also.

Just because he wins the most doenst make him the greatest jockey ever. Often said by fools on ATR, who in the next breath say Ruby is the greatest.

just because he wins most doesnt make him the greatest jockey!!!!!!!! what makes one then losing sport is about winning great teams win great athletes win thats what makes them great!!!!!! because he wins the most is what makes him the greatest jockey ever!! would lester piggott be regared as the best flat jockey ever if he lost loads of classics

McCoy has i think 15 champion jockey tittles(correct me if im wrong) saying he is not the best is like saying phil taylor is not the greatest darts thrower ever

Morgans

stretchaq wrote: »

just because he wins most doesnt make him the greatest jockey!!!!!!!! what makes one then losing sport is about winning great teams win great athletes win thats what makes them great!!!!!! because he wins the most is what makes him the greatest jockey ever!! would lester piggott be regared as the best flat jockey ever if he lost loads of classics

McCoy has i think 15 champion jockey tittles(correct me if im wrong) saying he is not the best is like saying phil taylor is not the greatest darts thrower ever

You are incorrect. Arkle is the greatest NH racehorse ever, universally undisputed. Did he win the most races? Did he win the most Cheltenham Gold Cups? Second best racehorse ever on all NH handicaps Ive seen lost more races than he won.

Well I'd go with strike rate over winner total anyday. A very select few jockeys have won over 1000 races. Think there is about 12. Tony Dobbin Peter Niven are two jockeys who have done it. Neither could be considered in the top ten of all time jockeys. Neither got next or near winning any sort of championship and were never considered in the top five of their profession when they were riding.

There is definitely a arguement to be made for McCoy but just because he has won the most races does not mean he is the greatest jockey.

And to prove your point even less valid, lester piggot is not the winningmost flat jockey. He may be the best, but Gordon Richards won over 25 championships and is the winning most flat jockey in England. Winning 260 races when there was no all-weather, and travelling all done by train/car. Just because you win the most races, does not mean you are the best jockey.

stretchaq

I said classics for lester

could we please get a poll done of who is the best jockey in our opinion

i just cannot see how any jockey is better than Mccoy the comparision with arkle is flawed physical limits stop some horses winning the most races etc etc
say

RUBY

TONY McCoy

carberry

Murphy

Ironically there all irish

any other contenders??

Morgans

I was aware that you said classics for Lester. Well if we use classics for lester, why not use the same criteria for McCoy.

He has one 1 Gold Cup. Conor O'Dwyer won 2, Jim Cullotty 3, M Fitzgerald 2, P Taaffe of course has 4.

Champion Hurdles 2: Make A Stand/Brave Inca. C Swan has won 3. Conor o'dywer 2

I could go on, but McCoy wouldnt come out best using that method. As I said there is an arguement to be made for McCoy being the best but winning the msot races doesnt convince me he is the best, it doesn't make Richard Johnson the second best jockey of the last decade either.

But his record in big races shouldnt be held against him either.

GERMAN ROCKS

i personally dont have much mass in ruby but i think carberry is a great jockey as is mc coy

Colonel Sanders

I'm not a richard hughes fan

Geraghty can still do on the big stage but just doesn't look interested at the bread and butter meetings

cson

Gonna be interesting to see how he does in Hendersons yard.

Shan75

I think it's fair to say Ruby is an excellent jockey otherwise Paul Nicholls wouldn't be using him.Obviously McCoy is also brilliant as he has consistently been at the top of the standings for years.An average jockey may pick up a championship or two in lean times in terms of jockey quality(Spencer possibly but I don't think he's as bad as some think) but to win the amount McCoy has in a time when the standard of NH jockeys is/was so high is testament to his standing as one of the best, certainly of recent years.

Paul Carberry is my favourite NH jockey but that does not mean he is the best.He may be the classiest though in terms of style.Also Timmy Murphy scores highly in this regard.Geraghty I believe is good in hurdle races but terrible in chases.He always seems to manage to present a horse poorly at the fences and was at fault for one of the highest profile near-misses when Kicking King almost fell at Kempton in the King George.Was he responsible for some of Moscow Flyer's falls?
Johnny Murtagh is my favourite flat jockey and I believe the best in Europe but others may disagree.That does not mean I'm wrong or they are wrong but people can see things differently.For example in a group 1 race I would pick Murtagh above everybody in Europe including Fallon but in low grade races on certain tracks some lower profile jockeys can excel and people may think for this reason they are the best jockeys(Seb Sanders although not as low profile as he was)

Collie D

Probably me being unlucky but Geraghty always seems to fall when I have money on him.

Spencer's holding tactics can be annoying, looks good when he wins but not all horses are capable of what he is trying to do

Frankie Lee

On, Spencer people forget how young he was when he got the Coolmore job, technically he's a top jockey however is decision making is at times poor and he some times doesn't seem aggresive enough. In 5-10 years time we might see the best of him.
I think it's hard to find any flaws with Murtagh, but I think he's after getting very smug lately.
An underrated rider in my opinion is Robert Winston, I think he's up there with the best.

The top 5 national hunt jockeys around at the moment in my opinion
are Choc Thornton, Ruby, AP, Timmy Murphy, Paul Carberry.
Which of them i'd rather have depends on the horse.

cson

I've experienced 2 of them in person, Timmy Murphy and Paul Carberry both rode the oul lads nag a few years back. Murphy was the consummate gentleman, gave the horse a great ride and was full of advice on how to run her and that type of thing, Carberry was just drunk. He's not really a people person either, he just wanted to go out an ride. And while I wouldn't hold that against him, he gave it a ****e ride and didn't do what he was told.

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mervuedude

On the flat my number 1 crap jockey is Richard Hills. The guy couldn't ride a bicycle imo. Wak as a kitten in a finish and even if I fancy a horse I won't back it if he's riding. Number 2 is Richard Hughes. I can't put my finger on it but there's something missing when he's riding.

NH, well that's easy, Joe Tizzard. Nuff said. Carberry does my head in. I hate having my horse dropped out which he always seems to do. I can't fathom why he needs to give away such distance at the start of every race. Don't get me wrong I think he's a great jockey but he's very frustrating. As for Ruby stopping horses, I've always had my suspicions. It's so easy to drop one out the back and finish 4th or 5th.

Frankie Lee

I said earlier, Ruby has given some horses terrible rides where the horse should win well especially in places like Sligo, but I can't imagine him being involved in stopping horses.
I don't think its likely.

stretchaq

have your say in the poll!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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aidan24326

+1 for Richard Hills, I won't back a horse if he's on it. It's odd how he only rides for Maktoum aswell, hardly takes any rides for other yards.

dukeofmarmalaid

Kinane - he's 10 years over the hill and what made it for me was his ride on the rock in the breeders cup mile, not surprised the american press referred to him as pinhead afterwards. Invariably he hangs back always and then take the scenic route on the outside losing valuable yards

Manning - maybe the fact that he looks like a younger clone of Kinane put's me off this fellow buts he's a pretty poor jockey, no judge of pace and cant manouvre his way through a big field. I confess he had a good day in leopardstown today with lush lashes and new approach but even i coud have steered them to victory, claasic example of manning is look at lush lashes in the nassau stakes

Good jockeys imo, murtagh, smullen, mcdonagh, danny mullins

cson

dukeofmarmalaid wrote: »

Good jockeys imo, murtagh, smullen, mcdonagh, danny mullins

He rides a treble in Galway one day and everyone automatically assumes he's gonna be a superstar courtesy of his surname. Danny is a decent claiming jock, but there are plenty better than him out there, Shane Foley, Martin Harley and Emmet McNamara off the top of my head.

Its absurd to put a 7lb claimer in the same category as Murtagh, Smullen or Declan McDonagh. You'll only see how good those claimers really are when they lose their claim, when they're on the same level as Murtagh et al. They ride a lot of winners because they're on good horses.

Nothing against Danny Mullins or anything, I sincerely hope he makes it and goes on to be one of the best.

magnerinho

Anybody who thinks that Emmet McNamara is better than Mullins, Foley, Moran or several other apprentices is off their game. He is as weak as ****e and his positional sense is very poor.

The worst big name on the flat for me is either Hills or Ahern. Big fan of Shane Kelly and Paul Hanagan.

Over jumps I would have to admit a strong disliking of Robbie Power while my favourites would have to include Timmy, Paddy flood and Paddy Brennan.

Frankie Lee

I'd agree about Manning, he's not a bad jockey but Bolger could have had an even better year if he had a genuine top class jockey riding for him.

Another underrated flat jockey who deserves a nmention is John Egan, he almost steered a 50/1 chance to winning the Champion Stakes but if you look down through the years how often he has won decent races on big priced horses.

Danny Mullins will be a great jockey too, he has the brains and the technique to make it all the way in my opinion.

And speaking of brains, Robbie McNamara if he was 4 inches shorter would probably be the best jockey in the country.

kick-on

i dont know how anyone can say carberry is a bad jock, hes a out and out horseman, ive seen him out hunting before and he jumped the biggest hedge ive ever seen twice!! with his wrist in a cast, sum man!!!!

Danny mullins will be a great jock but theres a few with the same talent as him, at d mo anyway, he just gets the breaks because hes a "mullins".
Townend is a good claimer aswell but he looks to have weight problems.

i think rory cleary is s**te!!!! only ever wins on dead certs for halford!!

and finally geraghty would fall out of d bed never mind stay on a horse, hes just pure useless, with his reins at the buckle in a finish!!

Imhof Tank

Frankie Lee wrote: »

flat jockey who deserves a nmention is John EganQUOTE]

Agreed, very capable, especially when his mounts are backed - but never when they drift.

Paul Maloney is his mirror image over jumps in this regard.

wb

mbradso2003 wrote: »

Lads it must be Richard Hills...

I would love to know the stats on jockeys percentage of wins on favs especially odds on favs.. The amount of times i see him being beaten at short prices in the blue and white silks is unreal!

R Hills is terrible, cant ride a finish and weak as hell..

I cannot believe some of the rides he gets!

This is not sour grapes BTW I have to fancy a horse 120% to bet it when he is on it and that doesnt happen often!

Here you go. The results of backing odds-on horses broken down by jockey from best to worst. Data is from 2003 until the present. It's interesting to see some of the big names somewhat down the list:

Jockey ... Bets ... Wins ... Profit/Loss ... Strike Rate

Doyle, Tom ... 30 ... 23 ... 6.05 ... 76.67%
Culloty, J ... 27 ... 20 ... 2.74 ... 74.07%
Egan, John ... 36 ... 25 ... 3.68 ... 69.44%
Thomas, Sam ... 98 ... 67 ... 10.97 ... 68.37%
Lee, G ... 112 ... 74 ... 6.98 ... 66.07%
Fanning, Joe ... 79 ... 52 ... 5.78 ... 65.82%
Aspell, Leighton ... 31 ... 20 ... 1.11 ... 64.52%
Duffield, G ... 31 ... 20 ... 2.29 ... 64.52%
Eaves, Tom ... 28 ... 18 ... 1.1 ... 64.29%
Hills, Michael ... 70 ... 45 ... -0.13 ... 64.29%
Dobbin, Tony ... 173 ... 111 ... -1.54 ... 64.16%
Queally, T P ... 39 ... 25 ... 1.65 ... 64.10%
Elsworth, Dominic ... 33 ... 21 ... 2.29 ... 63.64%
Fehily, Noel ... 55 ... 35 ... 2.38 ... 63.64%
Thornton, Andrew ... 44 ... 28 ... 1.41 ... 63.64%
Fitzgerald, Mick ... 117 ... 74 ... 2.41 ... 63.25%
Moore, Ryan ... 136 ... 86 ... 3.83 ... 63.24%
Kelly, Shane ... 38 ... 24 ... 0.45 ... 63.16%
Murtagh, J ... 102 ... 64 ... -1.67 ... 62.75%
Geraghty, B J ... 142 ... 89 ... 2.45 ... 62.68%
Johnson, Richard ... 249 ... 156 ... -6.06 ... 62.65%
McEvoy, Kerrin ... 56 ... 35 ... -0.72 ... 62.50%
McDonogh, D P ... 45 ... 28 ... -2 ... 62.22%
Baker, George ... 29 ... 18 ... 1.86 ... 62.07%
Durcan, Ted ... 58 ... 36 ... 0.03 ... 62.07%
Tizzard, Joe ... 58 ... 36 ... -3.09 ... 62.07%
Fortune, Jimmy ... 101 ... 62 ... -2.62 ... 61.39%
Quinn, Jimmy ... 31 ... 19 ... -0.92 ... 61.29%
O´Dwyer, C ... 49 ... 30 ... -1.95 ... 61.22%
Culhane, Tony ... 54 ... 33 ... -0.76 ... 61.11%
Drowne, Steve ... 77 ... 47 ... -0.11 ... 61.04%
Cooper, L ... 28 ... 17 ... -0.32 ... 60.71%
Spencer, Jamie ... 244 ... 148 ... -8.11 ... 60.66%
O´Neill, Dane ... 58 ... 35 ... -1.77 ... 60.34%
Thornton, Robert ... 131 ... 79 ... -6.73 ... 60.31%
Carberry, P ... 138 ... 83 ... -4.4 ... 60.14%
Walsh, R ... 397 ... 238 ... -16.93 ... 59.95%
Quinn, T ... 42 ... 25 ... -3.04 ... 59.52%
McCoy, A P ... 493 ... 293 ... -32.68 ... 59.43%
Mackay, Jamie ... 32 ... 19 ... -2.61 ... 59.38%
Munro, Alan ... 27 ... 16 ... -0.38 ... 59.26%
Hills, R ... 119 ... 70 ... -5.67 ... 58.82%
Robinson, Philip ... 80 ... 47 ... -2.66 ... 58.75%
Dwyer, Martin ... 63 ... 37 ... -2.32 ... 58.73%
Brennan, P J ... 70 ... 41 ... -3.81 ... 58.57%
O´Brien, T J ... 53 ... 31 ... -3.12 ... 58.49%
Dettori, L ... 201 ... 116 ... -14.41 ... 57.71%
Havlin, Robert ... 26 ... 15 ... -3.13 ... 57.69%
Ahern, Eddie ... 92 ... 53 ... -5.4 ... 57.61%
Russell, D N ... 47 ... 27 ... -2.66 ... 57.45%
Sanders, Seb ... 209 ... 119 ... -21.64 ... 56.94%
Fallon, K ... 232 ... 130 ... -25.6 ... 56.03%
Cosgrave, Pat ... 36 ... 20 ... -4.46 ... 55.56%
Harding, Brian ... 27 ... 15 ... -3.91 ... 55.56%
Manning, K J ... 36 ... 20 ... -2.1 ... 55.56%
Moore, Jamie ... 73 ... 40 ... -8.75 ... 54.79%
Smullen, P J ... 97 ... 53 ... -12.81 ... 54.64%
Scudamore, Tom ... 66 ... 36 ... -9.35 ... 54.55%
O´Regan, Denis ... 46 ... 25 ... -6.21 ... 54.35%
Hanagan, Paul ... 52 ... 28 ... -5.07 ... 53.85%
Ffrench, Royston ... 28 ... 15 ... -4.01 ... 53.57%
Hughes, Richard ... 140 ... 75 ... -16.48 ... 53.57%
Callan, N ... 103 ... 55 ... -11.16 ... 53.40%
Darley, K ... 106 ... 56 ... -19.29 ... 52.83%
Supple, W J ... 40 ... 21 ... -6.99 ... 52.50%
Llewellyn, Carl ... 44 ... 23 ... -7.28 ... 52.27%
Kinane, M J ... 111 ... 58 ... -19.49 ... 52.25%
Berry, F M ... 48 ... 25 ... -8.22 ... 52.08%
Moloney, Paul ... 27 ... 14 ... -3.84 ... 51.85%
Murphy, Timmy ... 120 ... 61 ... -22.91 ... 50.83%
Maguire, Jason ... 30 ... 15 ... -5.71 ... 50%
Winston, Robert ... 58 ... 29 ... -9.9 ... 50%
Catlin, Chris ... 45 ... 22 ... -9.96 ... 48.89%
Heffernan, J A ... 60 ... 28 ... -15.32 ... 46.67%
Williams, Christian ... 58 ... 27 ... -16.71 ... 46.55%
Fairley, Greg ... 28 ... 13 ... -7.08 ... 46.43%
Holland, Darryll ... 100 ... 43 ... -28.31 ... 43%
Casey, D J ... 46 ... 18 ... -17.06 ... 39.13%

iloveireland

Timmy Murphy/Richard Johnson are the most overrated jump jockey's and Jamie Spenser is the most frustrating flat jockey.

DaHampster

mick kinane gone to pieces over the last few seasons shame really as imo he was consistently the best over the last 20 years. rumour has it he's suffering from artiritis so maybe his should call it a day. frank spencer has to be the worst english champion jock since darley. he can only ride the one type of race holding his mount up in the rear regardless of pace and a alarming percentage of his rides tend to resent being whipped in the closing stages of a race.

stretchaq

DaHampster wrote: »

mick kinane gone to pieces over the last few seasons shame really as imo he was consistently the best over the last 20 years. rumour has it he's suffering from artiritis so maybe his should call it a day. frank spencer has to be the worst english champion jock since darley. he can only ride the one type of race holding his mount up in the rear regardless of pace and a alarming percentage of his rides tend to resent being whipped in the closing stages of a race.

Who the f*ck is frank spencer giod this thread is ridiculous can we please lock this im fed up listening to people complaining about great sportsmen just cause they lost a couple of quid give it up

premierstone

stretchaq wrote: »

Who the f*ck is frank spencer giod this thread is ridiculous can we please lock this im fed up listening to people complaining about great sportsmen just cause they lost a couple of quid give it up

He's entitled to his opinion as much as you are and lmao at calling Jamie spencer a great sportsman :rolleyes:

Morgans

stretchaq wrote: »

Who the f*ck is frank spencer giod this thread is ridiculous can we please lock this im fed up listening to people complaining about great sportsmen just cause they lost a couple of quid give it up

And yet you are happy to let the general public decide who is the best jockey via poll.

The general public would be the best judge all right.

stretchaq

Morgans wrote: »

And yet you are happy to let the general public decide who is the best jockey via poll.

The general public would be the best judge all right.

I started that poll to try stop this, no other part of the whole horse racing forum is touched anymore is this forum dying a slow death

premierstone

stretchaq wrote: »

I started that poll to try stop this, no other part of the whole horse racing forum is touched anymore is this forum dying a slow death

Does seem to be a bit on the quiet side alright, havent been on much lately myself as im a NH man but lookin forward to the next few months of ''real racing''

Morgans

Forum has been dead for years, but eventhough its pretty boring by comparison each season, this summers flat has been the least interesting that I can remember.

The forum is dead though.

stretchaq

think im off this one at this stage letsbet.ie is a good forum

corny

How anyone can rate P Carberry is beyond me. The amount of serious judgement errors he makes are too many to mention. He is also the least adaptable jockey mentioned in this thread. I've heard N Meade et all praise him to the hilt but i'd rather believe my eyes, the mans an idiot.

Morgans

Corny, you can surely see how someone would value Noel Meade's opinion over yours (or anyone on this forum) when it comes to jockeyship? I think all jockeys out there defer to Carberry as the most natural horseman amongst them. His application and willingness to make the most of his talent may not be what it should be, but the majority of jockeys recognise him as the most naturally talented jockey out there.