Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland.

Sikamick

DTSC members and guests had an other great day on the Mid-Lands Rifle Range.

We got to shoot Lee Enfields MK4 .303, Swedish Mausers 6.5x55 and a rare Portuguese 1904 - 7.92 Mauser.

A special thanks to Johnpaul,Tony,Cris, Mary and Jim Griffin and all the Staff.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to Dublin Target Sports Club
and Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland.

Red Renard

Sikamick wrote: »

DTSC members and guests had an other great day on the Mid-Lands Rifle Range.

We got to shoot Lee Enfields MK4 .303, Swedish Mausers 6.5x55 and a rare Portuguese 1904 - 7.92 Mauser.

A special thanks to Johnpaul,Tony,Cris, Mary and Jim Griffin and all the Staff.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to Dublin Target Sports Club
and Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland.

What is the Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland? Name sounds good.:)

Sikamick

Red Renard

The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland was formed and constituted today by a group of people that have a true interest in the sports of Classic Rifles and pistol.

The Committee is in place and all I can say is watch this space.

We have two Authorized ranges to shoot on and are open to anyone that would like to do this sport.

If you are interested PM and I will send on the details.


Sikamick

Red Renard

Sikamick wrote: »

Red Renard

The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland was formed and constituted today by a group of people that have a true interest in the sports of Classic Rifles and pistol.

The Committee is in place and all I can say is watch this space.

We have two Authorized ranges to shoot on and are open to anyone that would like to do this sport.

If you are interested PM and I will send on the details.


Sikamick

Good onya mate but it's like what the V bull said, no interest it appears.
Politics of sport in this country is a killer, like the national anthem or flag for that matter if you don't stand togeather behind it full square it's
a dead non starter. Zip up tent and move on.:(

Sikamick

Red Renard you could not be more wrong, I have had a great response. We are only officially formed since Sunday the 17th and there is a lot of paper work to be done.

I would not take any forum as being a full representation of interest, just look at the number of replies on the NTSA thread as against the amount of people that have viewed.

I would hope that this Association is not going to become another political football, it should be noted that classic rifle has a massive fun element to it. I will be adding some photos from the Classic Rifle Shoot on Sunday.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland
Also Secretary to Dublin Target Sports Club.

Sparks

Sikamick wrote: »

I would not take any forum as being a full representation of interest, just look at the number of replies on the NTSA thread as against the amount of people that have viewed.

Agreed. I think a lot of people were expecting a hissy fit or something, and thankfully we've disappointed them by actually talking about sporting issues.

I would hope that this Association is not going to become another political football. I will be adding some photos from the Classic Rifle Shoot on Sunday.

As a fairly well-known sports reporter once told me, once you get above the club level in any sport in Ireland, everything turns to faecal matter pretty quickly. So focus on the sport and try to avoid the politics as much as possible is my advice (and if I could learn to take it myself, I'd be happier). Stick to doing the admin the sport needs when it needs it and you tend to get a lean and useful setup as a reward.
Good luck with it Mick...

Red Renard

just look at the number of replies on the NTSA thread as against the amount of people that have viewed

Sikamick wrote:

Just look at the numbers for this beauty, point taken. Can you provide
regular updates for the VCRAI ?:) Good onya.

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Sikamick

J & J Swedish Mauser

Mick & Lee Enfield

Down the Range Mid-Lands

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Rew

Fair play to you I think its a fantatastic idea, I know one or two people very interested in getting such a rifle and I will definitly send them your way if they do.

I hope to hear the results of your first competition soon!

Jonty

Wouldn't mind having a FN FAL for that, or M1A/M14:)

Sikamick

Sikamick wrote: »

We got to shoot Lee Enfields MK4 .303, Swedish Mausers 6.5x55 and a rare Portuguese 1904 - 7.92 Mauser.

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Note Jonty, The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland is primarily for bolt action full bore service rifle and pistol.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland.
and Dublin Target Sports Club

Jonty

Sikamick wrote: »

Sikamick wrote: »

We got to shoot Lee Enfields MK4 .303, Swedish Mausers 6.5x55 and a rare Portuguese 1904 - 7.92 Mauser.

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Note Jonty, The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland is primarily for bolt action full bore service rifle and pistol.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland.
and Dublin Target Sports Club

In that case a 1906 Springfield!!

Dr Strange

Oooh this is very interesting. Would love to get some info on this!

Traumadoc

Would a Steyr SSG 69 be allowed?

Sikamick

DTSC oldest member of 80 years shot this rifle with the Target Sights and was getting V Bulls.

The Picture is of JP shooting the same Classic Swedish Mauser.

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Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland.
Also Secretary to Dublin Target Sports Club.

civdef

So, would there be a place for a Webley Mk VI?

Red Renard

civdef wrote: »

So, would there be a place for a Webley Mk VI?

Sikamick

Red Renard wrote: »

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This is a beautiful service pistol and once it would come in under the criteria of age/Vintage Classic I don't see why not, but I will ask the members that are better up on this than me about it.


Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland
also Secretary to Dublin Target Sports Club.
Sikamick

Kryten

There's always a place for a Webley MKVI :D. Lovely revolvers the Webleys, Dont know if you can get ammo for the .455", but managed to shoot the .38" a while back. Yes! something else for the must have list.

Red Renard

http://www.saaaca.org.za/links/mausers.htm

Sikamick

This is the Logo for The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland, see attachment.

More Info on the way,Competition coming soon.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland

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Sizemore

Sikamick wrote: »

This is the Logo for The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland, see attachment.

More Info on the way,Competition coming soon.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=61994&stc=1&d=1219686250

Are you excepting membership fees . Have you to be in a club to join
Where is the range. How much for the year?

marlin vs

Delighted to hear that such a club has been formed, iv'e allways had a passing interest in old rifles,well done and good luck, enjoy.

Sikamick

Sizemore wrote: »

Are you excepting membership fees . Have you to be in a club to join
Where is the range. How much for the year?

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If you PM me your e-mail address and I will forward you full details.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland.

paddyenfield303

Wheres your range.

Sikamick

paddyenfield303 wrote: »

Wheres your range.

We have the use of the Mid-lands Range and DTSC range.


Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland

paddyenfield303

Sikamick wrote: »

We have the use of the Mid-lands Range and DTSC range.


Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland

I heard of the midlands range whos dtsc

IRLConor

paddyenfield303 wrote: »

I heard of the midlands range whos dtsc

Dublin Target Sports Club

There's some information on the boards.ie wiki: http://wiki.boards.ie/wiki/Dublin_Target_Sports_Club

Sizemore

What are the chances of getting a license for the M1 Garand. Four friends and myself will join the VCRAI if the membership is not too pricy. Does membership of the VCRAI give good enough reason for the Garda to give out licences x4. I was told this type of rifle can get restricted is this true what does this mean? and being Ireland whats the cost.

Sizemore

kowloon

Think I was chatting to one of your number today at salute, I was on my way out to the carpark with a Chassepot and a Martini .

Sikamick

kowloon wrote: »

Think I was chatting to one of your number today at salute, I was on my way out to the carpark with a Chassepot and a Martini .

Yes kowloon it was me and some of the lads from The Vintage Classic Rifle Association. We were helping the reenactment lads out on some of the stands. I'm the one with the jacket full of badges.

The Air Soft and Reenactment people put on great displays, an absolutely great show.

It was nice to get to speak to you, do you have any photos of the Chasspot that you could post here, it is a very interesting piece of classic rifle history.

If you would like to shoot Vintage Classic Rifle PM me and I will send you details.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to the Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland

Sikamick

Sizemore wrote: »

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Sizemore seen some of de-activated M1 Garand at the Salute Show in Swords to Day.

Do you know that this rifle is used in the USA High powered rifle competitions. If your were to buy and license one of theses rifles you could use it for our vintage classic shoots and shoots in Mid-Lands.

One of the true Classic Rifles of WWII.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland

kowloon

I'll pop up some photos when I get a chance.
Good to see some interest in the Chassepot, if it wasn't for the sheer length of the thing I doubt it would have left the rack all show :pac:.

Sikamick

kowloon wrote: »

I'll pop up some photos when I get a chance.
Good to see some interest in the Chassepot, if it wasn't for the sheer length of the thing I doubt it would have left the rack all show :pac:.

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Kowloon when you put the photos of the Chasspot up could you give some details of its history.

Seeing the Chasspot and some of the old deactivated classic pistols like the Webley .45 (the type
used by Michael Collins) brought me back in time to my days in the Irish Antique Arms Society.

I was amazed at the interest from the very young to the very old and the discussion that classic firearms generate in relation to their history.

We got to talk to a couple who dived on the Aud, I see you mentioned it in the Lee Enfield Thread. We also got to speak to an Irish Gentleman who served as an officer in the British Army in Borneo.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland.

Red Renard

Seen you at the salute yesterday sikamick surrounded by defence force and reenactment personal are you recruiting the airsoft lads as well.

The WWII collection of weaponry was impressive even more was the
conversations and knowledge people of all ages had about weapons from this period, scores of kids rattling off the name and type of the various firearms, they would put some of us to shame and should, makes you
wonder why more effort is not put in to get people of all ages involved
in active shooting. Great day.

Sikamick

Red Renard wrote: »

Seen you at the salute yesterday sikamick surrounded by defence force and reenactment personal are you recruiting the airsoft lads as well.

The WWII collection of weaponry was impressive even more was the
conversations and knowledge people of all ages had about weapons from this period, scores of kids rattling off the name and type of the various firearms, they would put some of us to shame and should, makes you
wonder why more effort is not put in to get people of all ages involved
in active shooting. Great day.

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Did you get to talk to me I would like to put a face to the name.

Re the Air Soft people, I took the opportunity to walk around and speak to every one that I could to promote The Vintage Classic Rifle Association.

One thing that I found in speaking to people at the show was there is a great interest in this and it is one area of the sport that could bring all the shooting sporting groups together and away from the politics.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland.

Sikamick

Some photos from the show and me looking the worst for wear from the night before, oh my aching head.

Note all firearms and Munitions on display are deactivated.

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Sikamick

Red Renard

Sikamick wrote: »

Some photos from the show and me looking the worst for wear from the night before, oh my aching head.

Note all firearms and Munitions on display are deactivated.

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Sikamick

Mick & Joe at the weapons tent. Sikamick are you caught contemplating in this shot or concerned that the Lee Enfield is deactivated for sure.:D

V Bull

Aaaagh the old 77 set, I remember them well, very seldom worked.

"Hello one this is Zero, message over.................(long pause)
Hello one message over.......................(another long pause)
Hello anyone message over........................."

Sikamick

Red Renard wrote: »

Mick & Joe at the weapons tent. Sikamick are you caught contemplating in this shot or concerned that the Lee Enfield is deactivated for sure.:D

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Red Renard, don't worry its deactivated so its safe to handle. If you want
the real thing you will have to get a licence.:)

I was deep in taught, but it was thinking about the history of these firearms and stories they could tell.:rolleyes:

Sikamick

paddyenfield303

kowloon wrote: »

I'll pop up some photos when I get a chance.
Good to see some interest in the Chassepot, if it wasn't for the sheer length of the thing I doubt it would have left the rack all show :pac:.

granson got this on the net


officially known as Fusil modèle 1866, was a bolt action military breechloading rifle, famous as the arm of the French forces in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870 and 1871. It replaced the obsolete muzzle-loading Minié rifle. It was a great improvement on the military rifles previously in use and marked the real commencement of the epoch of bolt action, breech loading, military firearms generally. It was very easily converted to fire metallic cartridges in 1874 (Gras rifle), a step which would have been impossible to achieve with the Dreyse needle rifle. [2]



It was so called after its inventor, Antoine Alphonse Chassepot (1833—1905), who, from 1857 onwards, had constructed various experimental forms of breechloader, and the rifle became the French service weapon in 1866. In the following year it made its first appearance on the battlefield at Mentana on 3 November 1867, where it inflicted severe losses upon Giuseppe Garibaldi's troops. It was reported at the French Parliament that "Les Chassepots ont fait merveille!", or loosely translated : "The Chassepots have done exceedingly well !".
In the Franco-Prussian War (1870-1871) it proved greatly superior to the German Dreyse needle gun, outranging it by 2 to 1. Although it was a smaller caliber (11 mm vs. 15.4 for the Dreyse), the chassepot ammunition had more gunpowder and thus faster muzzle velocity (by 33% over the Dreyse), resulting in a flatter trajectory and a longer range which was 1200 yards (1100 m). The Chassepots were responsible for most of the The breech was closed by a bolt similar to those of more modern rifles to follow. Amongst the technical features of interest was the method of obturation of the bolt with a shielded rubber ring which was quite effective. It was similar in principle to the de Bange obturator for artillery. The Chassepot used a combustible paper cartridge holding an 11mm (.43 inch) round-headed cylindrical lead bullet. An inverted standard percussion cap was at the rear of the paper cartridge and hidden inside. It was fired by the Chassepot's needle (a sharply pointed firing pin) upon pressing the trigger. While the Chassepot's ballistic performance and firing rates were excellent for the time, burnt paper residues as well as black powder fouling did accumulate in the chamber and bolt mechanism after continuous firing. The older Dreyse needle gun and cartridge had been deliberately constructed in a way to minimize those problems but to the detriment of its ballistic properties.
In order to correct this problem the Chassepot was replaced in 1874 by the Gras rifle which used a center fire drawn brass metallic cartridge . Otherwise, the Gras rifle was basically identical in outward appearance to the Chassepot rifle. Virtually all rifles of the older Chassepot model (Mle 1866) remaining in store were eventually converted to take the 11mm Gras metallic cartridge ammunition (fusil Modèle 1866/74).
Prussian and other German casualties during the conflict.

kowloon

Sikamick wrote: »

I was amazed at the interest from the very young to the very old and the discussion that classic firearms generate in relation to their history.

We got to talk to a couple who dived on the Aud, I see you mentioned it in the Lee Enfield Thread.

My father was a salvage diver/photographer on the dives in 1976, he was talking to you at the show on Sunday.
Below are 2 Mosin Nagant stocks from the wreck.

Sikamick

kowloon wrote: »

My father was a salvage diver/photographer on the dives in 1976, he was talking to you at the show on Sunday.
Below are 2 Mosin Nagant stocks from the wreck.

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Would it be possible for you to bring them to the competition on Saturday.

They would make an interesting conversation piece.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland

Sizemore

Sikamick wrote: »

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Would it be possible for you to bring them to the competition on Saturday.

They would make an interesting conversation piece.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland

will you have some vintage service rifles to look at?

Sikamick

Sizemore wrote: »

will you have some vintage service rifles to look at?

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Yes PM me and I will send you the Details.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland

kowloon

Sikamick wrote: »

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Would it be possible for you to bring them to the competition on Saturday.

They would make an interesting conversation piece.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland

They're only stocks now, but if anyone from the club attending on Saturday is in North County Dublin or further North is passing by in a car with a generous boot I can certainly bring them along, otherwise I'll be travelling by motorcycle :mad:.

dresden8

kowloon wrote: »

They're only stocks now, but if anyone from the club attending on Saturday is in North County Dublin or further North is passing by in a car with a generous boot I can certainly bring them along, otherwise I'll be travelling by motorcycle :mad:.

I'm from Swords. PM me.

Red Renard

Sikamick wrote: »

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Sizemore seen some of de-activated M1 Garand at the Salute Show in Swords to Day.

Do you know that this rifle is used in the USA High powered rifle competitions. If your were to buy and license one of theses rifles you could use it for our vintage classic shoots and shoots in Mid-Lands.

One of the true Classic Rifles of WWII.

Michael O'Connor
Secretary to The Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland

http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=55685

Here is a link that has v good Garand forum.

Grizzly 45

This is a bit of a curveball.But there is a few gunsmiths over in Germany now making/converting SEMI auto versions of various firearms of WW2 of both Axis/Allied sides.I have seen copies of semi auto,MP40s[schmeisser],Thompsons,MP44s,KG 43s,MG42,FG42s,Russian PPshs,various tripod mounted Mgs of Axis and Russian makes:eek:.As I said before they have been converted to SEMI only to very strict German standards[so strict that each model has to be approved by the BKA before it is allowed for sale].
Soo I am just wondering would any of these be acceptable as well as vintage classification over here??Always fancied a K43 myself.:D

dresden8

Are we running away with ourselves here? Will we ever get centrefire semi-autos licensed?

Are bolt actions the best we can hope for?

I'd love if some told me they already are.