please sign this petition

beaushalloe

the website is pretty graphic so its not for the faint hearted but if you could sign the pettition it would help.

http://animalsaviors.org

animalcrazy

Wow..I feel physically sick from watching that, I'm still shaking, I signed the petition, I've never seen anything so bad.

dh0661

Signed it, If anyone has a problem signing because they did not enter a zip code, just put in your phone #

animalcrazy

I just put in ...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

how exactly would signing an internet petition help?

do you think the people doing this are going to look at it and think 'well god damn, I need to feed my kids, send them to school and pay the rent for my home.. but some people in Ireland don't like what I do for a living.. oh what a dilemna'

animalcrazy

As far as I know they are sent to the goverment or something, might as well sign it if there is an inkling of a change it might do something.

dh0661

email the link to all your contacts

dh0661

|-*SxyDubGrrl93*-| wrote: »

how exactly would signing an internet petition help?

Well it won't not help.

JIZZLORD

i hate to say it, but online petitions don't work.
The online petition to close down petitiononline.com didnt work. And the petition to stop Uwe Boll directing crap movies hasn't succeded.

animalcrazy

It's worth a try anyway. The people doing that to those animals deserve to have the exact same thing done to them. It should be at least made that they have to shoot the animals in the head before the do that, that would be a start. At least then the animals wouldn't have to go through that. I mean did you see that animal after it was skinned still alive! Omg I cryed then! It was so awful!

BlackCat2008

beaushalloe wrote: »

the website is pretty graphic so its not for the faint hearted but if you could sign the pettition it would help.

http://animalsaviors.org

Fare play to you for putting this up, even if the petition doesn't work at leased people will see it for them selfs, most of this fur is brought illegally in to Europe through Germany, and sold to the elderly as thermal blankets and the rest is used to trim jackets,and ornaments, and shoes. If you have a cat ornament with a fur cover that says rabbit fur look again, when have you ever seen a torte or tabby rabbit ?

I was called racist on another thread for calling counties No's. I don't set out to hurt any one I just don't buy products from these countries there is always other products if you just ask or go some were else for them.

This has been going on years and when it is shown on tele it's so late at night that hardly anyone gets to see it. There was a graphic one on TanG 4 that my dog over heard and wouldn't come near me for nearly two weeks she kept cowering in her bed an eyeing me, it was so distressing seeing her like that she had never feared me before and never had a reason to, how could a dog across the world fell the pain of another animal ?
For anyone who catchs these shows please keep your animals out of ear shot they do understand it.

Now is the time to get the TV stations to air it again while all eye's are on china for the Olympics.

It's signed.

BlackCat2008

animalcrazy wrote: »

It's worth a try anyway. The people doing that to those animals deserve to have the exact same thing done to them. It should be at least made that they have to shoot the animals in the head before the do that, that would be a start. At least then the animals wouldn't have to go through that. I mean did you see that animal after it was skinned still alive! Omg I cryed then! It was so awful!

They don't shoot or kill them because it tears the fur or leaves blood stains on it, the one on TanG 4 showed how they tie the dogs by lead to a post and starch it out by holding one leg and stabbing it in the groin were there is no fur, they then hang it up by the neck to try to bleed it and still alive the put it on a smoking fire (not a blaze) to dry the dog up to skin it and 9/10 times the dog was still alive while they skinned it alive as well.
And back in a dark dirty shed the poor mother dog had to listen to her pups go through all this for years, they skin them at about six months before it looses it's puppy coat, they breed the mother to death or skin her to after years of being in the dark listening to that, the dogs were mainly all black or white or at leased as close to one colour they could get. The dog I seen I'm nearly sure it was a white german shepard as rear as they can be.

In parts of Asia the eat aborted babies. ( I'll post the site if the mods give me the go ahead) You have to ask yourself what gene did these people miss in evaluation to cause them to be this way ? There cruelty seems to know bounds ?

animalcrazy

Yes I was wondering why they didn't shoot them first, I thought it was they didn't want to waste money on bullets. That video was horrific, especially seeing that animal moving, it was practically just a skeleton. Blackcat, your right, how can these people be so heartless and cruel. I mean, how can someone do that, even if you don't like animals. I nearly vomited when I saw him pull the fur off like a jumper over the animals head! It seems to me that the asian and middle east countries are the worst and I don't give a damn if I'm called racist, those countries are f****** heartless!

BlackCat2008

|-*SxyDubGrrl93*-| wrote: »

how exactly would signing an internet petition help?

do you think the people doing this are going to look at it and think 'well god damn, I need to feed my kids, send them to school and pay the rent for my home.. but some people in Ireland don't like what I do for a living.. oh what a dilemna'

I do all that with out resorting to skinning animals alive by the way there's more jobs in Asia than there is in Ireland and they are a much richer and powerful country than we'll every be.

Is there any more excuses you like to give them ?

BlackCat2008

I was an activist years ago, and will still take a small part until my kids have grown up but the real problem is that people don't want to know or believe that this is happening, there happy to go to these beautiful countries with happy welcoming people to entertain them, but if you tell them there money has gone to these people so they can carry on like this outside of the gorgeous village set up just for the tourist they don't want to hear it, not sure if it's the guilt they can't handle or if they don't know about it it won't hurt them or make them feel guilty. It's the people in their own countries who see this on there door step and do nothing about it that make me really made, I wouldn't put up with a neighbour beating his dog so why do they put up or ignore what there neighbours are doing that really gets me.

Your not racist animal crazy any more than me or other people who refuse to buy products made, manufactured, designed, produced or fashioned by these countries, you are simply not giving there economy money to keep doing this and if every one refused to buy these products and there economy fell with the massage animal cruelty is unacceptable they'd soon change there tune. You do not go out and deliberately harm another person of a different race because of what there people do, there for you are not racist but in titled to your free speech and opinion. If I find shops selling produces from these countries I e-mail them to either import them from else were or I'll take my business else were until the cruelty stops, me alone is not enough to force them to do so but if every one did it and helped each other source the products there looking for else were then the shop would soon get the massage and so would the countries envolved. An e-mail is not that much hard work and I've always found the product I've been looking for else were.

From what I understand alot of this is illegal in parts of the Asia and has been moved to the smaller islands around Asia were there is no laws or it is easier to carry out this business because the cops got a cup to shout them up.

The worst was hearing one of the man who skins them say he hated stealing his neighbours cats but I don't remember him saying he hated skinning them alive.

I'll see if I can't get in touch with Tang 4 an get then to run the video again it was very informative but extremely graphic they'll even show some products sold hear made of cat and dog fur labelled rabbit fur, not that wearing rabbit fur is justified either.

BlackCat2008

Meant to ask animalcrazy is there such thing as tortie or tabby rabbits I've never seen one and I know you run a rescue for them so who better to ask and fare play to you for doing so, be calling on you for two when my grey hound has gone to a new home my youngest loves them and is begging me for one for a year now.

No thanks

Morganna

BlackCat2008 wrote: »

Meant to ask animalcrazy is there such thing as tortie or tabby rabbits I've never seen one and I know you run a rescue for them so who better to ask and fare play to you for doing so, be calling on you for two when my grey hound has gone to a new home my youngest loves them and is begging me for one for a year now.

Yes there are tortie rabbits.

Nanook32

Signed

It's worrying that people can cause such pain and suffering to other living creatures.

animalcrazy

Blackcat- I don't exactly run a rescue but I have taken in some baby rabbits who were going to be dinner, socialised them and rehomed them. I have petsitted, I think 6 or 7 bunnies this summer too. I'm currently looking for homes for two baby bunnies. Their are only three weeks old so have another 5 weeks to wait.

Even if I don't have any rabbits with me, I usually know if someone who is trying to give away their bunnies so I can put you in touch. Let me know.

Well back on topic, I refuse ever to visit Asia, never ever ever. I wouldn't bring my money into that continent. I wouldn't even call them animals because they are ten times worse. Those people who do that for a living need to have the same thing done to them. They seem to have no morals!

It wasn't me!

Asia isn't a country and is a rather large place. It would help if you were more specific. I despise animal cruelty, but tarring the single largest continent on the planet with a brush as though everyone on it and every country were the exact same is extremely ignorant, if you ask me.

animalcrazy

I mean the continent Asia, I would never visit it. I'm entitled to my personal opinion and I just don't agree with anything there. I am not rude to Asian people in the streets or I don't say rude things or do anything to them. I just wouldn't visit any of those countries especially China as most don't give a damn about animal welfare and/or the rights of their own people. So I wouldn't bring my money there to let them carry on with the heartless activities they have on animals and humans.

Trojan911

beaushalloe wrote: »

http://animalsaviors.org

The link is dead, so I cannot comment.

It wasn't me!

animalcrazy wrote: »

I mean the continent Asia, I would never visit it. I'm entitled to my personal opinion and I just don't agree with anything there. I am not rude to Asian people in the streets or I don't say rude things or do anything to them. I just wouldn't visit any of those countries especially China as most don't give a damn about animal welfare and/or the rights of their own people. So I wouldn't bring my money there to let them carry on with the heartless activities they have on animals and humans.

So you're saying there's absolutely nowhere in the largest continent in the world that's innocent of systematic animal and human rights abuses and they're all the same?

BlackCat2008

Like every were you have good and bad, it is a communist country and changing laws there is hard I tryed to reply to you last night got half way through and some how knocked it I'll try later got to go cross country now so hope to get time later. Unfortunatly no animal in china gets of scot free. Take a look at this one, these are doing really well in trying to educate and change the way people think. But have a read up on the cat one. Our shelters are packed to the brime and we are not even a speck on the radar compared to the city of bejini (or how ever you spell it) and only 647 cats were rounded up to clean up for the olympic's. People were told if they want to host they must get a pet of some kind as visitor like pets, what faith awaits them when every one go's home ? I say the dinner table, this was on our Irish news not long back.

http://www.animalsasia.org/inde.php?module=2&menupos=22ig=en

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

so it's grand to eat beef and chicken, but cats are a no-no?

do you have any actual moral/ethical reasons for this or is it just 'cats are cute and fuzzy'?

fits

This thread is a good example of why I rarely post in this forum anymore.

animalcrazy

It wasn't me! wrote: »

So you're saying there's absolutely nowhere in the largest continent in the world that's innocent of systematic animal and human rights abuses and they're all the same?

I'm sure there is, I just have no wish ever to visit Asia. I'm also trying to boycott Chinese products as much as possible.

animalcrazy

Afghanistan
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Bhutan
British Indian Ocean Terr.
Brunei Darussalam
Cambodia
China
East Timor
French Southern Territories
Georgia
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Lao
Lebanon
Malaysia
Maldives
Middle East
Mongolia
Myanmar
Nepal
North Korea
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Territory
Philippines
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
South Korea
Sri Lanka
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Thailand
Turkmenistan
UAE
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen

Personally, I don't want to visit countries full of human rights abuse, animal abuse, war and goverments who couldn't give a damn about their own people, just money and power

doctor evil

Then you should add America and a lot of other countries to that list.

x Purple Pawprints x

Link not working. I would sign it but can't get to it.

BlackCat2008

[URL=]"http:/animalsavoirs.org/"[/URL]

animalcrazy

If never seen America on a Trocaire box.

peasant

animalcrazy wrote: »

If never seen America on a Trocaire box.

Oh sweet innocence :rolleyes:

The US of A is the country that has given the animal world such lovely things like cat de-clawing and dog de-barking (i.e ripping out cats' claws and cutting dogs' vocal chords) among other things.

Plus it's also a country that has even higher annual pet kill rates than this quaint old island.

But yes, by all means let's sign that useless petition and get all hot under the collar about "those people from Asia" and then continue to watch tens of thousand of dogs and cats get killed here every year while we ponder if we should get our cat de-clawed or not ...after all that new furniture was just so expensive.

fits

Innocence or ignorance?

peasant

fits wrote: »

Innocence or ignorance?

I'm dyslexic ...looks the same to me

Noopti

I think there is a difference between skinning an animal alive for it's fur, and a dog being put down in a shelter.

Obviously, both are not good, but they cannot be considered to even be in the same league when it comes to animal rights and cruelty.

animalcrazy does seem a bit naive. But that doesn't negate the point of this thread, which is to highlight a cruel practice. Even if it makes little or no difference it is doing no harm, which cannot be said for the people who are skinning these animals.

There are already lots of topics about this country, and the obscene amount of animals that are being put down and treated cruelly. A topic like this one is always bound to bring out extreme views on both sides of the argument, but I don't think anyone can condone or even ignore what is going on in some countries, even our own.

animalcrazy

peasant wrote: »

and then continue to watch tens of thousand of dogs and cats get killed here every year while we ponder if we should get our cat de-clawed or not ...after all that new furniture was just so expensive.

Big difference between an animal being humanely put to sleep then one having it's skin ripped off while still awake and alive.

animalcrazy

fits wrote: »

Innocence or ignorance?

Not wanting to visit a place where animals skin is ripped off it's body while an animal is in terrible pain is ignorant?

And turning a blind eye and going anyway isn't?

Taiwanlight

If the link can be made to work (I've tried) I'll sign. You have to start somewhere and I know from other petitions and emails I've signed with Amnesty that they can get governments to act and just maybe individuals to think about their actions. 'The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step' which coincidentally is a Chinese saying.
As for cruelty against animals in other places well, I presume people there are also fighting against it. Nothing quite compares with the horrific practices in parts of Asia (cultural not racial criticism) And yes, some Chinese people are fighting against this too.