Usain Bolt

Hanley

Holy sh1t.

Wow.

Huggles

+1

Plus he stopped running 10 metres short and slowed down, imagine if he had of kept running :O

amacachi

Impressive stuff.

When I saw the title I was expecting a "how can I get that good"-type thread.

Hanley

Huggles wrote: »

+1

Plus he stopped running 10 metres short and slowed down, imagine if he had of kept running :O

He had it at 50 meters. I couldn't believe it. I was watching the race and as soon as he turned on the gas it was over. I wonder how long it is before he takes it to 9.5's...

Wow. I'm STILL lost for words.

Al_Fernz

Hanley wrote: »

Holy sh1t.

Wow.

I saw his diet in FHM..........its sh1te

rccaulfield

Plenty of years left in him aswell!!

unknownlegend

He danced across the line.

I can imagine him doing a ~9.5 second 100m.

amacachi

Sub 19 second 200m soon?

tribulus

I was going to stick a bet on him until I was told the odds were 1/5, lol.

Insane stuff, really looking forward to seeing what time he does in the 200m now.

amazingemmet

Huggles wrote: »

+1

Plus he stopped running 10 metres short and slowed down, imagine if he had of kept running :O

Ah the old ben johnson trick, if you clearly have the race slow down a bit so you only break your record slightly giving you the chance to beat it again and get more money from your sponsor.

I haven't seen the race yet. What time did he do?

tribulus

9.69

amazingemmet

Is it official or wind assisted?

RuggieBear

athletics forum?

amacachi

Fairly sure it's official, no wind mentioned on any of the coverage or reports that I've seen.

NewApproach

there was zero wind

Al_Fernz

amacachi wrote: »

Fairly sure it's official, no wind mentioned on any of the coverage or reports that I've seen.

Wind was 0.0

Malteaser!

Absolutely phenomenal race!!

rubadub

amazingemmet wrote: »

Ah the old ben johnson trick, if you clearly have the race slow down a bit so you only break your record slightly giving you the chance to beat it again and get more money from your sponsor.

Yep, and fair play to him! They mentioned this fact on TV, he is meant to have a large family to support back home. They all are also saying they are certain he is fully clean.

His qualifier was great too, just repeated now.

thirtyfoot

amazingemmet wrote: »

Ah the old ben johnson trick, if you clearly have the race slow down a bit so you only break your record slightly giving you the chance to beat it again and get more money from your sponsor.

I haven't seen the race yet. What time did he do?

I presume you are joking, if not you are talking sh*te and haven't a clue what you are talking about. You cannot run a 100m to a pre-defined time, its not a Bubka or Isinbayeka in the pole vault.

Bolt ran to win gold, full stop.

Also, lets try keep BJ out of what is a great day for track and field, 20 years on from the day that that donkey tore the heart out of it.

Leon11

The guy is just class, he's so tall that he's easily got another 2/3 100's of a second to knock off that record he set today. I'd a friend tell me about the guy all summer when I was away and I only noticed him in the final. Think he's 21 also which is phenomenal, imagine when he's 25!

Roper

amazingemmet wrote: »

Ah the old ben johnson trick, if you clearly have the race slow down a bit so you only break your record slightly giving you the chance to beat it again and get more money from your sponsor.

I haven't seen the race yet. What time did he do?

You're kidding right?

Hanley

Roper wrote: »

You're kidding right?

It's a common enough tactic in powerlifting and olympic lifting (some federations give payouts to their athletes when they break WR's).

That being said, I sincerly doubt that's what Bolt was doing. The guy was clearly over the moon and just enjoying himself as he crossed the line!

Mikel

Roper wrote: »

You're kidding right?

I think emmet has a point. Obviously you can't run to a predetermined time, but he held back and knew he was going to break it at the same time.
Amazing stuff

Diamondmaker

I dont think anyone meant a pre determined time, just not giving it every last ounce when it was clear the race was in the bag and only doing enough towin it/ break he record.

No point smashing it once and never being abe to beat your own record, drip feed the records to the world. He has the talent to just keep doing this right donw to super human levels on the evidence of that race.

Its obvious this guy has done incredible times behind the scenes and he knows how much he can hold off to keep the Bolt Show on the band wagon for years to come!

Awesome!
Of all the strictky policed forums on Boards, this is one thread Im surprised not see moved blocked etc from fitness.....

Mint Sauce

Roper wrote: »

You're kidding right?

heard this before as well, he slowed down before the race had finished, had time to show boat abit, tapping his chest, had he not done this, may have done it quicker, therefore, you could potentially see him running it quicker in the future, and make money from it

rubadub

Diamondmaker wrote: »

No point smashing it once and never being abe to beat your own record, drip feed the records to the world.

The commentator were saying this too, seemed like common sense to me, they were talking of him maximising his earnings. If I could run it in 5 seconds no way I run at my best, I'd be milking it for decades!

Roper

Sorry lads but this is .00s of seconds you're talking about here. If Bolt has the ability to time himself that accurately then he's the 6 million dollar man.

Everyone is quick with the conspiracies aren't they?

MagicMarker

Anyone got any links to this? Can't find it on youtube.

maradona10

Tingle wrote: »

Also, lets try keep BJ out of what is a great day for track and field, 20 years on from the day that that donkey tore the heart out of it.

it wasnt just ben, he was just the one that got caught and most of them are still juiced to the gills. if you believe anything else youve got your head in the sand

Steak

MagicMarker wrote: »

Anyone got any links to this? Can't find it on youtube.

+1

amacachi

Roper wrote: »

Sorry lads but this is .00s of seconds you're talking about here. If Bolt has the ability to time himself that accurately then he's the 6 million dollar man.

Everyone is quick with the conspiracies aren't they?

Yes but that amount in 100 metres is a fair amount when even when ya slow down towards the end you still have huge momentum and ya don't slow down THAT much.

Roper

amacachi wrote: »

Yes but that amount in 100 metres is a fair amount when even when ya slow down towards the end you still have huge momentum and ya don't slow down THAT much.

I'm sorry, either that's unintelligible or I'm missing your point. Go again using the rules of grammar and syntax please.

amacachi

Yeah, not too sure what happened there.

1/100ths of a second are large enough margins in the 100 metres. When they ease off it tends to only add a couple of hundredths to the time.

rubadub

Tingle wrote: »

You cannot run a 100m to a pre-defined time, its not a Bubka or Isinbayeka in the pole vault.

Roper wrote: »

Sorry lads but this is .00s of seconds you're talking about here. If Bolt has the ability to time himself that accurately then he's the 6 million dollar man.

Everyone is quick with the conspiracies aren't they?

Nobody on this thread ever suggested he could run to a predefined time

It would be just as hard to run 100m to exactly 15.69s as 20.69s. I would imagine without a clock on view he would find it easier to run 100m in 9.9s than 20.9s, since he is more used to running close to that ability.

I am not really calling it a conspiracy either, from what the commentators on TV were saying it seemed common practice and it is very understandable.

madds

Al_Fernz wrote: »

I saw his diet in FHM..........its sh1te

No fruit or veg in here!!

US swimmer Michael Phelps made history yesterday when he scooped a record-breaking 11th Olympic gold medal. He has now topped the podium five times in Beijing. After his latest victory, he revealed the secret behind his six-days-a-week, five-hours-a-day training regime: an extraordinary 12,000-calorie daily diet, six times the intake of a normal adult male. This is a typical day:

Breakfast

Phelps kick starts his day and his metabolism with three fried-egg sandwiches, but with a few customised additions: cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and, of course, mayonnaise.

Amuse-bouche out of the way, he throws back two cups of coffee and sits down to an omelette - containing five eggs - and a bowl of grits, a porridge of coarsely ground corn. He's not finished yet. Bring on the three slices of French toast, with powdered sugar on top to make sure there's no skimping on the calories. And to finish: three chocolate chip pancakes.

Lunch

With breakfast wearing off and the hunger pangs biting, Phelps downs half a kilogram - ie a whole packet - of enriched pasta and two large ham and cheese sandwiches. On white bread with loads of mayo on top. To remove any chance that his body will run out of fuel, he washes this down with about 1,000 calories of energy drink.

Dinner

Time to load up on carbs for the next day's training. Another half kilo of enriched pasta goes down the hatch with a chaser of an entire pizza and another 1,000 calories of energy drinks. And so to bed. As Phelps told US television channel NBC yesterday: "Eat sleep and swim, that's all I can do."

Mikel

Roper wrote: »

Sorry lads but this is .00s of seconds you're talking about here. If Bolt has the ability to time himself that accurately then he's the 6 million dollar man.

Everyone is quick with the conspiracies aren't they?

I don't think its a conspiracy, he just knew he could win and break the wr without going flat out and relaxing at the end, in my opinion.
Million dollar question though... is he on gear?

Re Phelps, I saw the figure of 8,000 calories a day mentioned, no way of doing that without a lot of sugar I suppose

thirtyfoot

Mikel wrote: »

Million dollar question though... is he on gear?

No. Now where do I pick up my cheque?

Diamondmaker

Roper you ARE missing the point.

No, not a predetermined time and no, not to eke out another 5 100ths of a second every race but what every one means is he never needs to push himslef to capacity. He can just coast over the line and whatever time comes comes...

I 100% reckon he has absolutely smashed that time in training and he full well knows he can slow at 80m and keep the band wagon rolling.


Is he on gear? Anyone ever see a hopped up athlete so relaxed ? Its hard to see, only drug that he may be on is a splifter before the race to give the rest a chance hes just a freak and will change the way the race is run for the future.......

thirtyfoot

Diamondmaker wrote: »

Roper you ARE missing the point.

No, not a predetermined time and no, not to eke out another 5 100ths of a second every race but what every one means is he never needs to push himslef to capacity. He can just coast over the line and whatever time comes comes...

I 100% reckon he has absolutely smashed that time in training and he full well knows he can slow at 80m and keep the band wagon rolling

Diamonmaker you are missing the point when it comes to sprinting. Very few athletes run PB's in training and in fact I'd say none. Adrenaline will account for that final piece of icing on the cake and will never be replicated in training, in sprints anyway. Bolt would have known he was in good shape but he wouldn't run these times in training. Competing at that level you just can't turn it on and off and say today I will try beat the record. Conditions are a huge factor in sprinting - track hardness, tail wind, humidity, altitude, competition and believe me when a chance arises to beat a record with good conditions a sprinter will take it and try take it as far as he can because those conditions along with the shape you know you are in may not come again.

On saturday Bolt had only one concern, the gold. When at 85 and he knew he won he didn't decide in the space of 0.05 seconds to "shut down, lets not take it too far, as Zurich is in a couple of weeks" but probably thought I've done it and went crazy celebrating. We are talking about him maybe being able to run 0.10 faster at the moment, its too small to be able to play with, in fact the human brain cannot react that fast (which is why in the start if an athlete moves within 0.100 secs of the gun firing its still a false start). You cannot say Bolt can make a decision like that in a race to shutdown in case I break the record by too much. He may go in thinking in future races that he will pick and choose his record attempts and taper and peak for those but keeping the WR realistic was not on the radar when the gun went on saturday.

Diamondmaker

Tingle wrote: »

Diamonmaker you are missing the point when it comes to sprinting. Very few athletes run PB's in training and in fact I'd say none. Adrenaline will account for that final piece of icing on the cake and will never be replicated in training, in sprints anyway. Bolt would have known he was in good shape but he wouldn't run these times in training. Competing at that level you just can't turn it on and off and say today I will try beat the record. Conditions are a huge factor in sprinting - track hardness, tail wind, humidity, altitude, competition and believe me when a chance arises to beat a record with good conditions a sprinter will take it and try take it as far as he can because those conditions along with the shape you know you are in may not come again.

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C'Mon you saw that guy run the orther day, tell me really - he did not run flat out to the line at least once in training?....now draw the conclusin from him actually running to the line....!

You are discussing a "normal" sprinter and I agree with you.

But please tell me even without the full competiton conditions what time he could have ran in training if he pushed all the way?!?!?

Predalien

they should strap some weight to his ankles! give the other lads a chance!:D

thirtyfoot

Diamondmaker wrote: »

But please tell me even without the full competiton conditions what time he could have ran in training if he pushed all the way?!?!?

Honestly, its very unlikely he would run these times in training, race environment is crucial for sprinting and the adrenaline required for you to PB.

Powell beat him 3 weeks ago in Stockholm and he pushed all the way to the line and was in the 9.9's.

Yes, he eased up and without shutting down would have gone 9.60 or faster.

rubadub

Diamondmaker wrote: »

only drug that he may be on is a splifter before the race to give the rest a chance hes just a freak and will change the way the race is run for the future.......

Well Ronnie O'Sullivan got done for smoking playing snooker as a banned substance!

Tingle wrote: »

with good conditions a sprinter will take it and try take it as far as he can because those conditions along with the shape you know you are in may not come again.

And all people are saying is a good businessman might not try and take it as far as they can. I presume a lot of athletes are in it for the money, even if not why throw away a possible fortune. I only heard of this guy a few months ago, imagine the sponsorship & ad deals he could get. I expect some contracts might have bonuses for new WRs or medals.

Tingle wrote: »

On saturday Bolt had only one concern, the gold.

Yes, and maybe not the WR, he saw he was way ahead and seemed to slow down knowing he had won.

Tingle wrote: »

he didn't decide in the space of 0.05 seconds to "shut down, lets not take it too far, as Zurich is in a couple of weeks"

I doubt anybody thinks he just thought about it with 0.05seconds to go! I expect he wanted gold like you said and made a very concious business decision a long time before the event.

Tingle wrote: »

You cannot say Bolt can make a decision like that in a race to shutdown in case I break the record by too much.

He is not the only one saying it, like I said the commentators mentioned it at the time too as though it is an obvious thing and common practise.

Here is the video, just use google video, it is way better than youtube and gets all youtube hits anyway

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7198835900209817436&ei=O6ioSJrJJIWWigKT1qGRDA&q=usain+bolt+08&vt=lf


http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=usain+bolt&emb=0#q=usain%20bolt%2008&emb=0

Hanley

Mikel wrote: »

Million dollar question though... is he on gear?

2 cent answer... who cares??

This guy seems like one of those extremely rare genetic freaks. For my money, he's clean.

Diamondmaker wrote: »

I 100% reckon he has absolutely smashed that time in training and he full well knows he can slow at 80m and keep the band wagon rolling.

Hmm... I wouldn't be so sure. I know in "power" sports it would be VERY unusual for people to go flat out in training, simply because it takes a long time to recover from, and you can only peak so often. If you're only at 95%, there's no point trying to run at 100 in training. All you do is risk injury and retard recovery.

Is he on gear? Anyone ever see a hopped up athlete so relaxed ?

SRSLY?

Is that how we're judging drug free status now?

But like I've already said, I firmly believe he's clean.

rubadub

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/aug/17/olympicsathletics.olympics2008?gusrc=rss&feed=sport

Asked why he slowed down, Bolt said: 'I wasn't interested in the world record. I didn't even know I had it until after the victory lap. This medal means a lot to my country, and to me.' Explaining the archer sign, he said: 'I just like to have fun. I like dancing.' Away from the opposition.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-spw-olydowney17-2008aug17,0,655386.story

"Freak of nature," rival runner Darvis Patton called him after the race more than once. Oh, what a show. Oh, what a showoff too. How fast can a guy go? This is not the question to ask the U-Bolt. The question is this: How fast could U have gone if U hadn't hit the brakes? If U hadn't slowed down? If U hadn't clowned around?

"Nine-point-six-two?" guessed Michael Frater, Bolt's fellow Jamaican who finished sixth.

"It could have been 9.54," said Trinidad's Marc Burns, who ran seventh.

Diamondmaker

Hanley wrote: »

2SRSLY?

Is that how we're judging drug free status now?

But like I've already said, I firmly believe he's clean.

Yeah and as I said in the same breath I think hes smoking reefer too before the race :rolleyes:

brianthebard

He slowed down in the heats ffs,and the last time he set a wr.Maybe people think because he was already celebrating it was a move to earn more money in future,but he seemed to run just like any other race,albeit with a better start(which is why his coach entered him in 100m comps to begin with).

thirtyfoot

rubadub wrote: »

He is not the only one saying it, like I said the commentators mentioned it at the time too as though it is an obvious thing and common practise.

Which commentators said that?

As Michael Johnson said nobody shuts down in the Olympic Final of the 100m and wins, it just doesn't happen (and get a WR).

Anyway, doesn't matter as he said himself he was only after the gold. Yes, what he does know is pick his big races and the lucrative ones to break a world record, like in Zurich at the end of the moment, thats the business side of it, not in a championship.

juvenal

He just jogged through his heat of the 200m - and came second!

As BBC said, "He is beaten into second by Trinidad's Rondell Sorillo, who is probably the only man ever to say "I beat Usain Bolt in an Olympic 200m race". The grandkids will love that one for years."

t-ha

I know an experienced track guy and he knows almost exactly what time he's run even without the stopwatch. If you run that distance all the time you know exactly how 9.8 feels, how 9.9 feels how 10.0 feels etc. It's entirely believable to me that he could have stepped off the gas to preserve future record breaking runs.

Edit: but yeah it was an unbelievable perforamance.

thirtyfoot

t-ha wrote: »

I know an experienced track guy and he knows almost exactly what time he's run even without the stopwatch. If you run that distance all the time you know exactly how 9.8 feels, how 9.9 feels how 10.0 feels etc. It's entirely believable to me that he could have stepped off the gas to preserve future record breaking runs.

I've been running/coaching on a track for over 20 years and run maybe 35-50 timed intervals on a track each week and still you cannot know what time you run to 0.1 of a second.
Its crazy to think that you can, you have a feeling yes I ran good, but to say that was a high 9.8 or a low 10.1 is crazy. There may be a slight headwind which when you run you are not aware of which can add 0.1-0.2, a tailwind the same. When athletes finish the sprint they will know yes that was fast but there is always one question "what time was that", they'll be checking out the big screen etc etc.

When you hand time an athlete with a stopwatch you will always get a faster time than electronic. The difference is usually 0.2sec and means that the naked eye cannot accurately determine exactly how fast a race was. These timekeepers would be very experienced timekeepers and if they, with the aid of stopwatch and soley focusing on timing an athlete cannot get within 0.2 of a second, what chance does the athlete themselves using the magic stopwatch in their head.

Look I can tell you this until I'm blue in the face but you'll all have some mate or buddy who told you so and so when in fact very few of you are actually sprinters or athletes who train on a track and so will understand how difficult or impossible it is. Who is your mate, I'll know him and can tell you if he is talking sh*te as I will probably have spouted sh*te myself to him at one stage?