Tom Kenny's disgraceful low blow

buck65

Was totally shocked by Tom Kenny's use of the hurl on Cha Fitzpatrick, I thought Kenny was a decent guy til yesterday, totally aware of what he was doing. A disgrace.

Pride Fighter

It does not matter, KK won.

the immortals

it looked bad, not to mention painful!!

Limestone1

buck65 wrote: »

Was totally shocked by Tom Kenny's use of the hurl on Cha Fitzpatrick, I thought Kenny was a decent guy til yesterday, totally aware of what he was doing. A disgrace.

You've never been to a Junior B match if that little tip shocked you

djScarey

Kenny should practice being as precise with just one ball.

Pigletlover

Obviously very painful for Cha Fizpatrick - has anyone heard if he's ok? I don't think it was intentional though, I thought it looked as though Kenny flicked his hurley in frustration. He was looking at the referee at the time and didn't even seem to notice. I thought the Sean Og incident a couple of weeks ago looked more malicious tbh.

djScarey

Are you trying to say Kenny had the shakes or something? We've all not looked as we clattered an opponent "unintentionally".

Orizio

Was this at the very end with the stretcher?

buck65

Orizio wrote: »

Was this at the very end with the stretcher?

yeah
the footage was slowed down on the news later
Kenny knew what he was doing, no question. He looked a bit sheepish as Cha was stretchered off, though the least he could do was check on him.

Orizio

Did the umpire's not see it?

I think its clear that Kilkenny got into the heads of some of the Cork players(not in an illegal way), Gardiner lost it once again against Kilkenny for example.

Anyone know how many frees were given away form both teams? Wides as well if possible.

tonc76

It looked as if Kenny just tried to tip cha with the hurl - the fact that he tipped him in the sack was a bit unfortunate

In fairness its not like he pulled straight across him and while it wasn't pleasant for cha I'm sure he got that sick feeling in his stomach after something like that happens and was grand last night

Killme00

Ive seen the same thing happen in a minor match i was playing some years ago. The player who got the tap, ended up in hospital with a ruptured testicle*. Tom Kenny was stupid to do it, it was a disgraceful blow and certainly worse than if he had pulled staright across him. Was it mentioned on the Sunday game last night?

*It all ended well for the guy in question as he know has at least 6 kids that i know of.

megadodge

I don't think it was intentional.

If you look at Kenny, he was looking straight at the ref and talking to him and continued doing so after Cha went down. He then patted him while he was down. His actions before, during and after the actual incident suggest to me that he certainly didn't mean to connect with his sack.

Think of it this way, if you were going to do that to someone intentionally, why the hell would you do that close to the referee ??

yahoo_moe

Orizio wrote: »

Did the umpire's not see it?

Personally I was glad nothing whatsoever happened about it - doesn't that make it easier to punish retrospectively rather than having to navigate through all this "the referee dealt with the incident on the day" nonsense?

Killme00

megadodge wrote: »

I don't think it was intentional.

If you look at Kenny, he was looking straight at the ref and talking to him and continued doing so after Cha went down. He then patted him while he was down. His actions before, during and after the actual incident suggest to me that he certainly didn't mean to connect with his sack.

This could also be seen as very sneaky way of doing it.

run_Forrest_run

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Personally I was glad nothing whatsoever happened about it - doesn't that make it easier to punish retrospectively rather than having to navigate through all this "the referee dealt with the incident on the day" nonsense?

perhaps it is safe to say this now but if the match was in the balance and nothing was done and if cork won by a point there would be uproar because the ref still awarded the free to cork after the incident...anyway we will see what the C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C say.

I'm sure he'll get away with it..just like Sean Og got away with the butt of the hurl in a face mask a few weeks ago :rolleyes:

Scootay

As a neutral who was thoroughly enjoying the game and the spirit it was played in for the most part I thought it was a deliberate and cowardly act.

The commentators on RTÉ lept to his defence saying he's not known for being a dirty player and I find that stupid. We've all just seen him act like a cowardly thug so what does it matter if he's not done it before? Is it OK if I only murder one person?

I hope his cheapshot is raised and he gets punished. I'm delighted Kilkenny beat his team for that stupid act alone.

homerjay2005

yes, i agree, this was a cowardly act that needs to be punished, if the gaa saw fit to give galvin 6 months for knocking a book out of the refs hands, then this deserves a year. it was cowardly and bordering on assault.

he will get 3 months at least, but he will now only miss club games.as to how the ref missed it, is shocking, he was so close, he nearly took the belt himself.

run_Forrest_run

homerjay2005 wrote: »

as to how the ref missed it, is shocking, he was so close, he nearly took the belt himself.

sure the ref was so ignorant he initially gestured to Cha to get up! Wadding is a useless ref, lazy and cowardly. His chances of reffing a AI final are gone.

interlocked

Some of the internet moral majority on here must lesd very sheltered lives if they think Kenny's flick was the act of a cowardly thug.

Save the outrage for Liveline.

run_Forrest_run

Scootay wrote: »

The commentators on RTÉ lept to his defence saying he's not known for being a dirty player and I find that stupid. We've all just seen him act like a cowardly thug so what does it matter if he's not done it before? Is it OK if I only murder one person?

perhaps using murder is not a good example but I totally understand what you are saying...I am hearing it all day here, "..ah sure Kenny didn't mean it like, he's a nice player like..." all nonsense, the fact is that he DID IT!

Of course RTE lept to his defense initially, sure RTE is another cowardly station, they probably don't want to upset the majority of the viewers (Cork people) and of course their legions of Cork pundits.

It's the same with RTE when the Dubs are up to their usual tricks with taunting and booing players of other teams...RTE just turn a blind eye, best not upset the Dubs :rolleyes:

It took the sense of a viewer to email Spillane later that night to kick off the discussion.

run_Forrest_run

interlocked wrote: »

Some of the internet moral majority on here must lesd very sheltered lives if they think Kenny's flick was the act of a cowardly thug.

Save the outrage for Liveline.

what is it then? When players go out to play a sport and when play is stopped do you think it is OK to do this to another player?

What if I walked up to you on the street and did it? How would you feel?

Scootay

Well interlocked what would you describe a low blow cheapshot if not the act of a cowardly thug? If he was no coward he would have taken him face to face. If he was no thug he wouldn't have gone for a unprovoked, out of the blue, dig in the balls. He did neither of those things. It was the act of a cowardly thug and just because it happened on a GAA field does not make it less of one.

Actually he's a stupid cowardly thug if he thought it wouldn't be picked up by the cameras when the whole focus was on the ref breaking up the nonsense.

tonc76

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

sure the ref was so ignorant he initially gestured to Cha to get up! Wadding is a useless ref, lazy and cowardly. His chances of reffing a AI final are gone.

Useless, lazy and cowardly? How did you come up with that? Yesterdays game was played at an unreal pace with so much going on all over the field. Its easy form you to sit in your chair with action replays aplenty and point the finger. In fairness the ref was face to face with kenny and couldn't have seen the blow - if he even did catch a glimpse of it, it looked like a tap. I'd say he though cha was making a meal of it (as has been seen in football matches over the last few weeks).

I thought wadding had a good game, didn't stop play too much and let things run. He even corrected himself for that KK penalty that wasn't. All the people here have seen this over and over from every angle - Wadding quite possibly didn't even see it in real time.

run_Forrest_run

tonc76 wrote: »

Useless, lazy and cowardly? How did you come up with that? Yesterdays game was played at an unreal pace with so much going on all over the field. Its easy form you to sit in your chair with action replays aplenty and point the finger. In fairness the ref was face to face with kenny and couldn't have seen the blow - if he even did catch a glimpse of it, it looked like a tap. I'd say he though cha was making a meal of it (as has been seen in football matches over the last few weeks).

I thought wadding had a good game, didn't stop play too much and let things run. He even corrected himself for that KK penalty that wasn't. All the people here have seen this over and over from every angle - Wadding quite possibly didn't even see it in real time.

He was not always up with the rate of play, that was evident. yes it was a fast paced game but if he wants to referee a game at such a high level he needs to keep up, if not then put Dickie Murphy out there or even yer man Kelly who is quite pacey.

OK, yes the ref was face to face with Kenny so maybe he did miss the incident, but the linesman did bring it to his attention (I saw this) and the ref did nothing about it.

thankfully the play-acting that goes on in football has mainly managed to keep out of hurling so far.

interlocked

Well interlocked what would you describe a low blow cheapshot if not the act of a cowardly thug? If he was no coward he would have taken him face to face. If he was no thug he wouldn't have gone for a unprovoked, out of the blue, dig in the balls. He did neither of those things. It was the act of a cowardly thug and just because it happened on a GAA field does not make it less of one.

Actually he's a stupid cowardly thug if he thought it wouldn't be picked up by the cameras when the whole focus was on the ref breaking up the nonsense.

Seriously?

I'm not being smart but have you ever played hurling?, there are far far more subtle ways to give someone a dig in the nuts or slow someone down than Kenny's action.
Looked to me like a act of frustation at something that was said and the clip was meant to infer, **** off out of it No worst malice than the dust up at the beginning, Woukd you have sent those players off too?

And btw if you want a real slap, take a look at the Rock's er.... throat high block on Joe Canning after the first goal in the Galway match. As Michael Duignan said at the time "someone going to pay for the Rock's stitches"

If Cha hadn't gone down like a ton of bricks( and I'm not calling him a diver) it wouldn't have merited a mention

2Scoops

interlocked wrote: »

Some of the internet moral majority on here must lesd very sheltered lives if they think Kenny's flick was the act of a cowardly thug.

Yeah, because deliberately hitting people in the balls and possibly causing permanent damage is perfectly acceptable?

Cha was walking around after the match so hopefully he's ok, but who knows what the internal damage could be yet.

interlocked wrote: »

Looked to me like a act of frustation at something that was said...

I've played a lot, gotten frustrated a lot, but I don't think I ever intentionally set out to hit someone in the balls. It's indefensible, so stop trying.

Harpie

Taking into consideration the fact that cha was probably grand after 10 minutes, and the fact that KK won comfortably, does anyone else think it was a little bit funny?

Killme00

Harpie wrote: »

Taking into consideration the fact that cha was probably grand after 10 minutes, and the fact that KK won comfortably, does anyone else think it was a little bit funny?

I dont think anyone who has felt that pain will agree with you.

djScarey

Harpie wrote: »

does anyone else think it was a little bit funny?

What..."Kenny slams South Park with hurley" kind of thing. I'm sure you could submit a draft.

premierstone

interlocked wrote: »

If Cha hadn't gone down like a ton of bricks( and I'm not calling him a diver) it wouldn't have merited a mention

Your surely havin a laugh either that or you are female, cha was after running around for 70 mins and then gets a dig straight into the goolies what did you expect him to do shake kennys hand and say well played???

CyberDave

I really don't think Kenny meant to do it. In the past he has not been the type of player to use those sort of tactics. Now if it had been 'The Rock' who had done it, I would be more inclined to think it was intentional.

djScarey

Yeah, Cyberdave. Hitler wasn't anti-semitic either until he was caught.

CyberDave

djScarey wrote: »

Yeah, Cyberdave. Hitler wasn't anti-semitic either until he was caught.

Well I'm sure Fitzpatrick wasn't exactly blameless in the incident either. If Kenny did mean it (and the only one who knows if he did mean it, is Kenny himself) it was because of something Fitzpatrick said. Comparing Tom Kenny and Hitler is hardly a fair comparison. Hitler killed thousands of people in concentration camps, while Tom Kenny is picked up on camera clipping Cha Fitzpatrick in the nuts, Fitzpatrick survived didn't he. Hitlers victims didn't.

tonc76

djScarey wrote: »

Yeah, Cyberdave. Hitler wasn't anti-semitic either until he was caught.

FFS - why not watch the dressage or syncronised swimming instead?

There'll be plenty on at the mo

djScarey

You're full of ifs and buts and maybes that have no evidence to support them. He swung his hurley in the direction of Fitz' b*lls. Any man knows the risks of doing that, so Kenny should take full responsibility for his actions.

CyberDave

djScarey wrote: »

You're full of ifs and buts and maybes that have no evidence to support them. He swung his hurley in the direction of Fitz' b*lls. Any man knows the risks of doing that, so Kenny should take full responsibility for his actions.

Yes but Tom Kenny is no comparison to Hitler, you admit that, surely. Nobody knows including you and me if Kenny meant it or not, so all we have to go on is ifs and buts.

tonc76

How many tv, newspaper or radio interviews has Cha given today about the incident??? None - its forgotten

KK are in the AI

Thats all that matters

He wasn't castrated - even if he had been I guarantee he'd still line out midfield on Sept 7th :pac:

djScarey

CyberDave wrote: »

Comparing Tom Kenny and Hitler is hardly a fair comparison. Hitler killed thousands of people in concentration camps, while Tom Kenny is picked up on camera clipping Cha Fitzpatrick in the nuts, Fitzpatrick survived didn't he. Hitlers victims didn't.

That is not the comparison and you know it. Stop trying to blur. The comparison that "he's not that kind of guy" is a mute defence rendered dead by the very action committed. It is not a comparison of individuals.

DonkeyPokerTour

homerjay2005 wrote: »

he will get 3 months at least, but he will now only miss club games.as to how the ref missed it, is shocking, he was so close, he nearly took the belt himself.

He wont miss club games. He will miss the first round of the next munster championship.

Under the new rules a player sent off for anything in a game, with the exception of Assulting a referee, will only be punished at that grade i.e. If you are sent off in a county match you are available for your club, If you are sent off for your club you are available for your county.

Regards
Ian

djScarey

tonc76 wrote: »

How many tv, newspaper or radio interviews has Cha given today about the incident??? None - its forgotten

KK are in the AI

Thats all that matters

He wasn't castrated - even if he had been I guarantee he'd still line out midfield on Sept 7th :pac:

I'd go along with this. Having been nutted myself-intentional or not-on a hurling field and also having dished it out-intentional or not:)-at the end of the day, it's one of those things you can forgive and forget about fairly quickly as a player.

CyberDave

djScarey wrote: »

That is not the comparison and you know it. Stop trying to blur. The comparison that "he's not that kind of guy" is a mute defence rendered dead by the very action committed. It is not a comparison of individuals.

I am simply going on past evidence. I have never seen Tom Kenny to do something like this before, so what other assumption can I make. I have seen O'Sullivan come back on against Galway and try to take the head off Canning, so if it had O'Sullivan involved I would have had good reason to suspect it was intentional. I am giving Tom Kenny the benefit of the doubt, because the doubt IMO is if he meant it or not. It's similar to the time Stephen Hunt knocked Petr Cech on the head with his knee, we don't know if Hunt did it deliberately or not. Like the Tom Kenny/Fitzpatrick incident there is no proof he did.

djScarey

So Kenny's hurley had a good look at Fitzie and thought "he could do with a belt, that smirky Cat. Now if I can just manoeuvre that hand a bit, I think I can cannon his b*lls together."

CyberDave

djScarey wrote: »

So Kenny's hurley had a good look at Fitzie and thought "he could do with a belt, that smirky Cat. Now if I can just manoeuvre that hand a bit, I think I can cannon his b*lls together."

I am not denying the fact that the incident actually happened. The hurl swung and hit Fitzpatrick, there is no doubt in that. I am questioning the fact that it was intentional on Kenny's behalf.

djScarey

He intended to clip Cha, but I don't think he intended to cripple him temporarily. But Kenny did know the risks of a direct hit. Although from his (Kenny) position that might have looked unlikely, it did happen. No clip, no cry, as Bob Marley might sing.

2Scoops

CyberDave wrote: »

I am not denying the fact that the incident actually happened. The hurl swung and hit Fitzpatrick, there is no doubt in that. I am questioning the fact that it was intentional on Kenny's behalf.

It is difficult, if not impossible, to accidentally hit another player in the balls with the hurley when the ball is not even in play. This was not an accident. It's possible, however, that he just meant to hit him in the stomach or on the leg but he knew there would have to be the risk of a blow to the groin. Either way, he's a tramp.

EDIT: After watching the video again, I'm not even willing to give him the benefit of the doubt anymore - a clear swing to the nether regions.

CyberDave

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. It made very little difference in the final result anyway. If the incident had happened earlier, Fitzpatricks absence might have had a greater effect on the game.

Morrisseeee

Lads n lassies, have a look at the start of the game again (say, on rte.ie > media player) and see the amount of 'action' (wild-pulls & jabbing) going on as the ref is throwing in the ball. But there's not a word about this. A case of 'hear no evil, see no evil'. My point is that if 'this' incident is going to be looked at, then ALL the incidents should be looked at, & then it gets farcical.

deisedevil

CyberDave wrote: »

I am not denying the fact that the incident actually happened. The hurl swung and hit Fitzpatrick, there is no doubt in that. I am questioning the fact that it was intentional on Kenny's behalf.

FFS!! Have another look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTh4Q5J-_VQ

He was shouting at the ref, seen Cha coming over, looked at him and then swung the hurl at his balls. Not a massive blow but us lads know that even the slightest little tap in that area can cause a HUGE amount of pain. He meant it, you can be damn sure of that. If you look at the player and then aim the hurl in his direction then you meant it, if you weren't looking at the player and swung a hurl at him then it's questionable whether it was meant or not because maybe you didn't see the player and it was accidental.

I'm sick of seeing dirty pulls off the ball being left off. Sean Og got away with a dirty blow and now Kenny will probably get away with it too. But shur they are good decent lads, they don't need to be punished, they never hurt a fly in their life! hate that bloody attitude.

And Cyberdave, your talking about the incident and defending Kenny and you didn't even see it! If you did you need to badly have another look "Well I'm sure Fitzpatrick wasn't exactly blameless in the incident either. If Kenny did mean it (and the only one who knows if he did mean it, is Kenny himself) it was because of something Fitzpatrick said. "
Cha and Sullivan pushed each other and then Kenny hit him. have another look, yout talking nonsense.

Orizio

2Scoops wrote: »

It is difficult, if not impossible, to accidentally hit another player in the balls with the hurley when the ball is not even in play. This was not an accident. It's possible, however, that he just meant to hit him in the stomach or on the leg but he knew there would have to be the risk of a blow to the groin. Either way, he's a tramp.

If you believe this, then you won't find an inter county hurler in the country that isn't a 'tramp'. In fact, both teams acted like 'tramps' within about five minutes of the start.

Looking at the video, I think people are over reacting. He didn't hit him at all hard, although obviously there was intent(in that he meant to hit him), but it was a tap and you would see harder 'digs' at under-12 matches. Moreover, there is no reason to think he meant to castrate him or hit him in that area.

The idea that he deserves a year suspension is hilarious, and I hope comes from someone who hasn't played in a hurling match in his life.

deisedevil

Orizio wrote: »

If you believe this, then you won't find an inter county hurler in the country that isn't a 'tramp'. In fact, both teams acted like 'tramps' within about five minutes of the start.

Looking at the video, I think people are over reacting. He didn't hit him at all hard, although obviously there was intent(in that he meant to hit him), but it was a tap and you would see harder 'digs' at under-12 matches. Moreover, there is no reason to think he meant to castrate him or hit him in that area.

The idea that he deserves a year suspension is hilarious, and I hope comes from someone who hasn't played in a hurling match in his life.

He deserves a 3 game ban. Chances are he won't go hitting someone with his hurl off the ball again! Isn't that the whole point of disciplinary procedures? there's more and more incidents off the ball and they should be cut out!

Are you female by any chance?? A flick in the knob is serious feckin pain!