worst car manufacturer for reliability

GERMAN ROCKS

who is the worst. if other please specifiy. its fiat for me anyway

pburns

An age old question - it varies according to what you read...

Last one I read Honda, Mazda, Toyota, BMW, Skoda did well.

The French marques you are constantly championing - Peugeot and Citroen - are generally at or near bottom of the barrel;)

Stephen

mazda

Ooh, I can see some fireworks coming out of this thread :pac:

L1011

peugeot

Voted Citroen due to my employers (former) fleet then remembered the constant failures that my colleagues in work with Renaults as their personal cars have.

Anyone who votes Fiat hasn't touched a recent one, simple as. Indestructable now, one of the few European marques to get towards the top of the Top Gear reliability survey.

GERMAN ROCKS

citroen

MYOB wrote: »

Voted Citroen due to my employers (former) fleet then remembered the constant failures that my colleagues in work with Renaults as their personal cars have.

Anyone who votes Fiat hasn't touched a recent one, simple as. Indestructable now, one of the few European marques to get towards the top of the Top Gear reliability survey.

what model of fiat do you have youself

SV

mitsubishi

here comes all the renault votes from the people who have only ever owned lagunas or haven't owned a renault at all..

oh deary. Anyway! from personal experience and hear say, VWs..modern ones..shocking cars.

Tommy_NDX

mazda

Renault. Safest car to buy because you wont be on the road much.
Or VW

L1011

peugeot

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

what model of fiat do you have youself

Panda.

-Chris-

mazda

Renault - primarily for the Laguna and the Megane Cabrio!

CrowdedHouse

toyota

BMW for me........had to towed in for the first time in over a quarter of century of car ownership...just over 4000 km on clock...no letter or phone call of (feigned)apology from BMW either.

Have owned 1 Ford,5 Honda,1 Audi & 1 VW

drunkmonkey

subaru impreza - worst bar none in my book...

Mr. Presentable

honda

Land Rover for sure - all the others are modern technology and "generally" reliable. Of course, everone has their horror stories, but no-one has owned everything.

alias no.9

fiat

I voted toyota because this is a stupid pole. In order to make an informed vote you would need to have owned a huge number of cars from the same era.
Some people may have experience of managing fleets and will have a better insight based on that but that does not control for driver neglect and abuse. All in all, it's a stupid vote.

Oh and by the way GERMAN ROCKS, what fiat have you owned?

colly10

citroen

See theres votes up there for toyota, how exactly?

-Chris-

mazda

alias no.9 wrote: »

Some people may have experience of managing fleets and will have a better insight based on that but that does not control for driver neglect and abuse.

I've worked in fleet for 6 years, so I'd say I've got a pretty qualified opinion when I say that I'm VERY surprised to hear BMW, Subaru or Toyota mentioned.

pburns has it down cold.

alias no.9 wrote: »

All in all, it's a stupid vote.

Quite possibly not the most scientific poll, but all-in-all (as long as everyone doesn't get defensive and OT) it's an interesting thread - a nice break from the VRT threads...

Guy:Incognito

honda

AudiChris wrote: »

Quite possibly not the most scientific poll, but all-in-all (as long as everyone doesn't get defensive and OT) it's an interesting thread - a nice break from the VRT threads...

In fairness. A large proportion is based on heresay.

Renault dont come bottom (they do come near the bottom alright of the surveys, hell, they dotn even come bottom of the french marques most of the time, yet will come bottom of this poll.

Theres generally only a few % between quite a few makes anyway so a few issues either way could move a marque up or down quite a bit.

Irelands new love for A4's , making them pretty much the new VW here has clouded a lot of people judgement too. "the man down the pub" syndrome that VW thrived on for years is doing them a good turn. I seem to remember them finishing mid to low down the table in a few of last years surveys.

Biro

merc

alias no.9 wrote: »

Oh and by the way GERMAN ROCKS, what fiat have you owned?

He has owned none, as he's too young to drive or have a license.

-Chris-

mazda

Stekelly wrote: »

In fairness. A large proportion is based on heresay.

It's a bit of fun, that's all. Noone should make a purchasing decision based on the opinions in this thread.

Stekelly wrote: »

Renault dont come bottom (they do come near the bottom alright of the surveys, hell, they dotn even come bottom of the french marques most of the time, yet will come bottom of this poll.

Theres generally only a few % between quite a few makes anyway so a few issues either way could move a marque up or down quite a bit.

True, Citroen and Peugeot are equally bad.

When VW were having their ignition coil issues I had one or two drivers trying to hand their keys back to me. But that was repeated occurrences of the same problem, with a complete lack of backup from the repairing dealers (which has been documented extensively in boards.ie, I'd expect...).

Stekelly wrote: »

Irelands new love for A4's , making them pretty much the new VW here has clouded a lot of people judgement too. "the man down the pub" syndrome that VW thrived on for years is doing them a good turn. I seem to remember them finishing mid to low down the table in a few of last years surveys.

If we're going to base it on surveys, this one's not bad:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/driver_power_2007/archive/?group=category&cat=build_quality
Funnily enough, I'd say it'll mirror the casual results you'll find here quite closely!

VH

fiat

AudiChris wrote: »

If we're going to base it on surveys, this one's not bad:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/driver_power_2007/archive/?group=category&cat=build_quality
Funnily enough, I'd say it'll mirror the casual results you'll find here quite closely!

there the results for build quality youve quoted - I thought they looked a bit strange at first

reliability ones here http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/driver_power_2007/archive/?group=category&cat=reliability

which basically goes honda toyota honda toyota honda toyota toyota toyota honda skoda :eek:

magick

skoda

mitsubishi galant , aka the boneshaker omg what a bad car it was

L-M

mazda

Voted renault from bad experience when trading in, and giving warranty. Electrics this and electrics that. I would be very warey trading in any in the future. Although saying that i did come into ownership of a scenic a month of two back and all the hidden compartments were very well thought out.

After that, even though i'm a huge vw fan, i would vote them next. Between 5 of us we have owned 11 Vw's in the last 6 years and they do tend to wear down alot once they get older, so much so now when we get a problem we just move it on again and buy another. (A 00 Polo being the main culprit spending over 700 euro at the time trying to get something easy fixed which never did).

As for Fiat, the sister has owned a Punto for the last 6 years, and only for stupid modifications she put on it to wear down the battery i would have absolutely no complaints about the car. Never had any problems except for one recall.

Henry Ford III

mazda

VH wrote: »

there the results for build quality youve quoted - I thought they looked a bit strange at first

reliability ones here http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/driver_power_2007/archive/?group=category&cat=reliability

which basically goes honda toyota honda toyota honda toyota toyota toyota honda skoda :eek:

A few surpises though:

Renault Clio 26th Better than expected
Honda Civic 27th Worse
Audi A4 36th Worse
Audi A3 45th Worse
VW Golf 54th Worse
MINI 62nd Way worse
VW Passat 77th Worse

Renaut got the bottom two slots with Laguna and Scenic.

-Chris-

mazda

VH wrote: »

there the results for build quality youve quoted - I thought they looked a bit strange at first

Oops!

VH wrote: »

reliability ones here http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/driver_power_2007/archive/?group=category&cat=reliability

Thanks.

VH wrote: »

which basically goes honda toyota honda toyota honda toyota toyota toyota honda skoda :eek:

About what you'd expect really, I was amazed Toyota was mentioned above.

Kojak

IMO Fiat, Ford and Renault are 3 of the worst makes of car on the road at the moment.

I used to own a Citroen, and have to say that I never had a problem with its reliability.

crosstownk

I'd like to vote but I can't make my mind up between VW, Renault and LandRover.........

Decisions, decisions.....

L1011

peugeot

Has ANYONE thats voted for Fiat owned a less than five year old one? Not driven, actually owned one?

jimmycrackcorm

toyota

I'm glad I've got a saab as it can't possibly get a low vote in this poll.

minxie

citroen

MYOB wrote: »

Has ANYONE thats voted for Fiat owned a less than five year old one? Not driven, actually owned one?

had the misfortune to drive a 05 punto for the last two weeks while my car was in being serviced.. what a pile of ****.....

L1011

peugeot

minxie1 wrote: »

had the misfortune to drive a 05 punto for the last two weeks while my car was in being serviced.. what a pile of ****.....

Mark 2 Punto, designed in 1999. Not comparable to a current model.

Got near to a quarter of a million K on three modern models in the family here and not one of them has broken down - once.

Anyway, did you vote on perceived 'niceness' or actual reliability? This thread is about the latter and only the latter.

Cionád

honda

minxie1 wrote: »

had the misfortune to drive a 05 punto for the last two weeks while my car was in being serviced.. what a pile of ****.....

It broke down in the 2 weeks you have it?, or do you just not like the car?

What car have you btw?, why is it taking 2 weeks for a service?

minxie

citroen

Cionád wrote: »

It broke down in the 2 weeks you have it?, or do you just not like the car?

What car have you btw?, why is it taking 2 weeks for a service?

engine roars, bumpy suspension,no cornering control,
felt totally unsafe in it...
engine very noisy while driving, am i being fair??
personally i drive a golf....

L1011

peugeot

minxie1 wrote: »

engine roars, bumpy suspension,no cornering control,
felt totally unsafe in it...
engine very noisy while driving, am i being fair??
personally i drive a golf....

So it didn't break down then? Unlike your Golf.

Did you read what this poll was for?

Bluefoam

peugeot

Had a new Grande Punto as a loan car recently, thought it was fantastic, it drove amazingly well for a car in that class. Not amazingly pokey around town, but very good mile muncher.

Also rented a Clio recently, didn't like it at all, the interior was seriously dated, by about 15 years... Didn't feel as competent as the punto & I didn't feel as comfortable on the open road.

minxie

citroen

MYOB wrote: »

So it didn't break down then? Unlike your Golf.

Did you read what this poll was for?

yes i did.....
and yes it did break down . twice i had it jump started,
golf dnt,, was in for service/ valet

L1011

peugeot

minxie1 wrote: »

yes i did.....
and yes it did break down . twice i had it jump started,
golf dnt,, was in for service/ valet

How on earth did a service take two weeks? I've never had a service take more than a day and a valet take more than an lunchtime.

Or are you fabricating stuff on the fly here to justify your position...

If a garage gave me a car that required jump starting as a courtesy car I'd never use said garage again - they're clearly incompetent. Considering Fiat's don't let you do the usual battery run-down's of leaving headlights or the courtesy light on at that.

byte

mitsubishi

No SEAT in the list so I voted VW as nearest.

My '00 Leon gave more than its fair share of grief, all problems electrical related. Glad to get rid of it a few weeks ago.

NewApproach

peugeot

I must admit I am slightly surprised there are no votes for Mercedes yet...

I was led to believe they have suffered many electrical problems in the last 6 years or so

minxie

citroen

MYOB wrote: »

How on earth did a service take two weeks? I've never had a service take more than a day and a valet take more than an lunchtime.

Or are you fabricating stuff on the fly here to justify your position...

If a garage gave me a car that required jump starting as a courtesy car I'd never use said garage again - they're clearly incompetent. Considering Fiat's don't let you do the usual battery run-down's of leaving headlights or the courtesy light on at that.

waiting on a specialist part,,,knew it could take a bit, getting off topic here, poll was on reliability and thats my opinion, as for having to be jumped i dont know or car why,its not my car..
alas i had no choice in garage as its where i bought my car and its still under manu warranty,
no fabrication, maybe you actually like fiats...

L1011

peugeot

Oddly enough my manufacturer allows me to choose which garage I get warranty repairs and servicing in from a list of all franchise dealers and a number of franchise repair agents. Its never been serviced in the dealer I bought it in. That manufacturer is Fiat...

Also - since when does routine servicing need a specialist part? It doesn't. Sounds like something broke to me :rolleyes:

Bluefoam

peugeot

NewApproach wrote: »

I must admit I am slightly surprised there are no votes for Mercedes yet...

I was led to believe they have suffered many electrical problems in the last 6 years or so

People who buy into perceived quality brands such as Mercedes, BMW & VW are reluctant to admit that there are flaws with the brand - as that would suggest they bought into a flawed product.

I would estimate that those who voted against VW are not VW owners, however that does not indicate that VW do not deserve their rating in the poll.

Bluefoam

peugeot

MYOB wrote: »

since when does routine servicing need a specialist part? It doesn't. Sounds like something broke to me :rolleyes:

minxie

citroen

MYOB wrote: »

Oddly enough my manufacturer allows me to choose which garage I get warranty repairs and servicing in from a list of all franchise dealers and a number of franchise repair agents. Its never been serviced in the dealer I bought it in. That manufacturer is Fiat...

Also - since when does routine servicing need a specialist part? It doesn't. Sounds like something broke to me :rolleyes:

2nd hand car warranty from same garage that sold car
lucky you because every car i have bought is under warranty to garage where you buy the car,:)
""nothing broke"" specialist part is an upgrade part which i asked to be fitted. i dont care what i drive when i get a replacement, poll started off as an opinion and this is mine.

L1011

peugeot

You said it was servicing, then you said it was a service and a valet, now you're saying it was an upgrade.

Can you take one position and run with it?

Every car I've bought is new - hence manufacturer warranty. Four years of it, at that.

edit: also, what garage in this country would be willing to have your car sitting there, on their insurance, for two weeks waiting for a non-essential part to come in while you're driving their car around? Any sensible one would have you take it back until the part came in.

Bluefoam

peugeot

You can fit those glowing valve caps yourself

minxie

citroen

MYOB wrote: »

You said it was servicing, then you said it was a service and a valet, now you're saying it was an upgrade.

Can you take one position and run with it?

Every car I've bought is new - hence manufacturer warranty. Four years of it, at that.

service/upgrade....
have i offended you????
as for me i cant afford a new car every 4 years, am talking used car warranty ie my 6 mtth service which i availed of the time my car was in for service to get my car re mapped... and save a bit of money at the same time... you are going off topic here sir,

L1011

peugeot

How is it off topic, if you borrowed a broken car from a clearly incompetent garage and are basing your opinions solely on it - and it appears, mostly its drive quality - when the poll is about reliability?

minxie

citroen

Bluefoam wrote: »

You can fit those glowing valve caps yourself

funny but made me laugh anyway:D:D
but no wasnt glowing valve caps:P

Bluefoam

peugeot

minxie1 wrote: »

i availed of the time my car was in for service to get my car re mapped...

What part do you need for the remap? I didn't know main dealers did them.

L1011

peugeot

minxie1 wrote: »

2nd hand car warranty from same garage that sold car
lucky you because every car i have bought is under warranty to garage where you buy the car,:)
""nothing broke"" specialist part is an upgrade part which i asked to be fitted. i dont care what i drive when i get a replacement, poll started off as an opinion and this is mine.

minxie1 wrote: »

waiting on a specialist part,,,knew it could take a bit, getting off topic here, poll was on reliability and thats my opinion, as for having to be jumped i dont know or car why,its not my car..
alas i had no choice in garage as its where i bought my car and its still under manu warranty,
no fabrication, maybe you actually like fiats...

Contradicting yourself here.

L1011

peugeot

Bluefoam wrote: »

What part do you need for the remap? I didn't know main dealers did them.

They also usually invalidate the manufacturers warranty that minxie1 seems indecisive about whether he actually has!

minxie

citroen

MYOB wrote: »

Contradicting yourself here.

pray tell