RTE and Sky: FTA, FTV and PayTV. AGAIN!

scath

I wonder will Sky start promoting one-off FTA option.

I'd tell ya, they cold easily attract alot of UPC and Boxer subscribers if they do. It'd get them in many doors used of satellite.

If Boxer and UPC were clever they'd work with Freesat UK, drop UK terrestrials from their offering and add more innovative premium channels to the offering on a Satellite-DTT installation option. This would provide an alternative to Sky, with no threat from subscription. Sky is unofficially already available for €150.

Otherwise both UPC and Boxer's pay channel business will be in trouble and Sky will become dominant. Freesat UK would not be promoted here of course. Rather UPC and Boxer could exclusively do a deal with Freesat UK to offer FTA channels and a combo box. These would allow UPC and Boxer to competively compete with Sky both on FTA and make money on Premium pay channels.

I was not talking about promoting Freesat UK. It would be equipment installed rather than promoted to the Comsumer.

If people didn't want subscription then they could buy their own combo boxes and pay installation.


[A lot of really old ground Satellite TV/RTE posts moved from Boxer thread here:
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watty

Scath: Why on earth would Sky promote anything other than Sky?

DTT is of no value to them. Quite the reverse.

You know Sky can charge whatever they like for ANY pack which can include RTE, TV3 and TG4?

No-one has any advantage in promoting the free DTT other than Boxer.

UPC is cable and has no value in promoting satellite which has most of their best channels free. There is ZERO value for UPC to promote anything other than their own cable.

Freesat is BBC backed UK. They are forbidden to promote in Ireland, so they can't promote a Freesat + free DTT.

RTE since 1962 and especially since BBC went FTA on Satellite is practically paranoid about UK FTA Satellite. They want to beleive that satellite is only "Wireless" Cable TV. I have an email from RTE that confirms this. Hell would freeze before RTE/PSB free DTT mux would promote Freesat or Sky. They have more to gain by promoting boxer.

Summary:
Boxer promotes All DTT, only.
RTE promotes free PBS MUX DTT mainly, slight promotion of Boxer and advantage.
UPC, Sky, Freesat: No change, they can each only promotte their own platform and not other.


BBC/ITV /C4 royalties BTW are tiny compared to other pay channels. The royalties reflect fact that people on border or with satellite can get it free anyway. The Electricy bill for one mux on one transmitter could cost more.

Nobody pays to transmit RTE/TG4/TV3 (Sky and UPC ought to, but they get it free!).

The only TV arranngement in GFA is for TG4 up north. It's already on a Divis or Blackmountain TX but can't be on all the DTT Mux till after ASO. About 50% to 75% of N.I. (geographic/population?) get covered with TG4:
Clermont Cairn, near border. HolyHill, On Derry Border, Carn Hill, Longford and the Belfast TX>

Sky hve no pressure to do anything other than a slightly cheaper Mix Pack with the Irish stations & UK. Never, ever a combo box. They have ALL the channels on Satellite and can charge what they like. Sky do nothing free. Any free channels on Satellite are despite Sky. Sky fights to encourage channels to be encrypted...

watty

DCMNR and BCI can only control Irish origination and Irish transmission. Sky is a foriegn service. If the UK tried to regulate them as they ought, Sky would move to be based in Luxembourg, or if EU tried to regulate them, maybe Switzerland or Morroco.

Sky offer RTE free encryption, free EPG and free carriage if RTE signs to their terms. If RTE want FTV card they would have to pay for carriage to Astra-SES and Sky would charge Millions p.a. for each EPG slot and x10 millions more p.a. to supply and operate the FTV card, which remains property of sister company NDS.

RTE definitively can't go FTA on satellite unless something extremely unlikely and catacylismic happens to Rights Holders and how this works. UK is a x20+ bigger market.

thomasking22008

you never know rte MIGHT happen will go free to air satellite for uk sae as same bbc and itv and channel 4 we never know maybe today maybe tmorrow maybe next year who know depend contract term sky

Elmo

Sky offer RTE free encryption, free EPG and free carriage if RTE signs to their terms. If RTE want FTV card they would have to pay for carriage to Astra-SES and Sky would charge Millions p.a. for each EPG slot and x10 millions more p.a. to supply and operate the FTV card, which remains property of sister company NDS.

Competition. Sky could be brought to the European court for refusial to carry FTA channels surely the Television without Frountiers Directive (TWFD) contains something about this? It is anti-competitive.

Sky are effectively preventing RTE, TV3 and TG4 from boardcasting in their own jurisdiction.

If a person has sky and demands to see coverage of Irish sporting events under TWFD they should be allowed to see free coverage.

bk

watty wrote: »

Sky offer RTE free encryption, free EPG and free carriage if RTE signs to their terms. If RTE want FTV card they would have to pay for carriage to Astra-SES and Sky would charge Millions p.a. for each EPG slot and x10 millions more p.a. to supply and operate the FTV card, which remains property of sister company NDS.

I agree with most of your post, however one small nit pick, I'm sure Sky would still offer RTE free EPG and premium EPG slots, as Sky need RTE far more then RTE needs Sky.

channelsurfer

rte are under no obligation to broadcast on sky. its probably argued (merited or otherwise) that if they disappeared from sky, sky would loose a lot of the 500000 subs they have to chorus or boxer. Yet RTE dont appear to want to rock the boat and challenge sky to provide at least rte working on the ex irish card if someone cancels...

bk

Scottish paddy wrote: »

$KY are never going to let RTE channels remain if you cancel your subscription……..just think how many people would take advantage of that!

Another nit pick, I agree with your overall post, but if RTE decided to go FTA and some how managed to pay off the rights holders, there is absolutely nothing Sky could do to stop them.

Sky don't own the satellites or the space on them, Sky only own their own EPG and encryption, Sky couldn't stop RTE going FTA, in the same way they couldn't stop BBC, UTV, C4, C5, etc.

It won't happen because of the rights issues, but I'm just saying Sky aren't the ones who are stopping this.

BTW If RTE did go FTA, Sky boxes would be required to be able to retrieve it, at least through the other channels menu, EU law and Sky would continue to carry it as part of it's subscription service.

watty

Elmo wrote: »

Competition. Sky could be brought to the European court for refusial to carry FTA channels surely the Television without Frountiers Directive (TWFD) contains something about this? It is anti-competitive.

Sky are effectively preventing RTE, TV3 and TG4 from broadcasting in their own jurisdiction.

If a person has sky and demands to see coverage of Irish sporting events under TWFD they should be allowed to see free coverage.

No they don't.
To be legal they have "Other Channels". It's rights issues, not Sky that prevents Irish TV FTA. Premiere in Germany supplied a box that could not receive FTA, they got slapped. It's the only reason a Sky Digibox has the "Other channels" feature.

Sky can charge what they like, subject only to regulation in origin country, for EPG and Encryption (FTV card) services.

RTE, TV3 and TG4 can't afford to be FTA (x20 payments to suppliers) or to be FTV (about 10Million to 40Million for the 4 channels, p.a. for Sky EPG and FTV support/card/encryption). Less than 2 Million p.a. might lease an entire transponder from SES-Astra, so the the free carriage from Sky is lesser thing. Of course the profit on the encryption and EPG is huge (99%?). Ofcom investigated in past twice, once for BBC and once for ITV and decided it was "reasonable".

Elmo

Are sky boxes ROI only boxes?

If sky are able to replace BBC1, 2, ITV, C4 and 5 with RTE 1, 2, TV3 and TG4 (and nothing on 105) then they must be able to provide people in ROI with a card or box that can decrypts RTE 1, 2, TV3 and TG4 automatically without payment hence stop any rights issues that RTE 1, 2, TV3 and TG4 may have.

Sky are just insisting that the Irish channel go before the sky channels, while also insisting the if you have their equipment in ROI you must pay for the 4 FTA channels. What number are BBC1, 2, ITV, C4 and 5 on sky EPG?

I don't have sky.

channelsurfer

bb1 and 2 are 141 and 142
c4 is 135
utv and channel five are not on the irish epg (utv due to the very public spat with tv3 over corrie etc been available)

Elmo

bb1 and 2 are 141 and 142
c4 is 135
utv and channel five are not on the irish epg (utv due to the very public spat with tv3 over corrie etc been available)

So users of these services have to look for UTV and Five? I assume you can get both if you want on sky.

This just futher proves that Sky could put RTE, TV3 and TG4 on their service for free on the Irish EPG.

channelsurfer

five is currently encrypted so it is not availlable to irish subscribers via other channels. there is talk it will be made fta ie available via other channels to irish subscribers later in the year following completion of the encryption contract with sky in order to allow it to be added to the freesat epg.

watty

Elmo wrote: »

Are sky boxes ROI only boxes?

If sky are able to replace BBC1, 2, ITV, C4 and 5 with RTE 1, 2, TV3 and TG4 (and nothing on 105) then they must be able to provide people in ROI with a card or box that can decrypts RTE 1, 2, TV3 and TG4 automatically without payment hence stop any rights issues that RTE 1, 2, TV3 and TG4 may have.

Sky are just insisting that the Irish channel go before the sky channels, while also insisting the if you have their equipment in ROI you must pay for the 4 FTA channels. What number are BBC1, 2, ITV, C4 and 5 on sky EPG?

I don't have sky.

The Sky UK and Sky ROI box is the same. The Sky Italia box might even be the same.

Sky/NDS make money selling subscriptions to users and selling encryption and EPG to operators/broadcasters. Of course Sky can make the 4 Irish channels work on a cancelled Sky subscription if you have a card.

But that is like expecting a Bank to let you have 15 Euro a month free on your laser card after you close the account. Technically possible but nuts.

BBC, C4, ITV and Five had to not only pay for the encryption so the FTV card would work, or a cancelled Subscription would work, but pay for the actual number of cards supplied and pay for the call centre. The BBC had never any intention of doing so in the long run. ITV resisted joining the scheme at all for a long while. The result in the end is Freeview as the UK PSB channels can't be dependent on a purely commercial poorly regulated platform. UK operators pretty much had Irish rights BEFORE satellite. ITV had 75% of Irish households before Satellite.



Irish channels due to the x20 bigger market can't be FTA. The dominance of Sky Digiboxes on Irish Market (680k households) means any satellite card scheme that isn't NDS is doomed. Sky Digibox is only NDS (same family of companies with News Corp). NDS is best encryption there is. It is only ever "free" if Sky has the rights for the channel and it is a valuable channel. Then the channel is on Sky purely to make Sky Money. In reality RTE could have held out for the free EPG, free Encryption and free carriage AND a royalty! Except RTE is free for UPC (Chorus/NTL) to carry and is Must Carry on Cable. Sky has the satellite rights and decides how much to charge and what package.

The alternative for RTE etc on Sky of FTV card and EPG on Sky, and free to customers with also a cancelled Sky card as well as FTV card would be an extra 20 Euro to 60 Euro per person for RTE to pay. Politically they would not get the licence free increase needed.

So those that only subscribe to Sky for RTE are paying 200 Euro a year more than if the TV licence was increased with a FTV card scheme. RTE's theory is that most people that have satellite will be subscribing to Sky anyway (true) so in their eyes the deal was great saving. Then BBC & ITV were encrypted. Even now I doubt more than 12% of satellite viewers are FTA only, and virtually everyone with a Sky sub is motivated for channels in addition to RTE etc.

watty

Elmo wrote: »

So users of these services have to look for UTV and Five? I assume you can get both if you want on sky.

This just futher proves that Sky could put RTE, TV3 and TG4 on their service for free on the Irish EPG.

Not Five.

Technically yes, but real world practical Sky can't, in the same way they can't send people free money. The shareholders would think they had gone nuts... Like a cornershop that decided milk is free, even if you bought nothing, rather than special offer of 1l free with 20 Euro spent.

It's easy to make an "Irish" Digibox think it's "British".
Method 1:
go Sky News:
press RED.
wait for Interactive to load.
remove IRISH card.
press backup.
The UK EPG BBC1 = 101 etc loads.. Only free channels work. currently C4 might be only other channels.

Method 2:
Remove Irish card and insert UK card
Five =105, Sky3, Five Live, Five US, C4 =104 all appear and work on either FTV card or Subscription or cancelled UK subscription...
Because Five and C4 pay serious money to Sky...

To make a UK box in London work as Irish Box:
Put in current or cancelled Sub card. Irish EPG appears. If a cancelled Sub Sky3 still works but all other pay channels inc RTE blocked. If Current Sub, then RTE, TV3, TG4 etc work...



We think it's a little more complex to swap Sky Italia / UK Ireland. The dish needs moved to 13E instead of 28.2E. The default transponder needs changed. It may need different firmware, or a forced software update may work. Doesn't without an Sky Italia card

Elmo

But that is like expecting a Bank to let you have 15 Euro a month free on your laser card after you close the account. Technically possible but nuts.

Sky seem to be happy to leave you with FTA channels after you finish subscribing to them why not RTE, TV3 and TG4.

Irish channels due to the x20 bigger market can't be FTA.

I was suggesting that they be free in ROI only. ROI currently has a completely different EPG to that of the UK. I never suggested that RTE be FTA in the UK.

How many people in the UK would be bothered trying to make a Sky box think its Irish.

watty

Because they are NOT FTA channels!!!

The rights holders would never agree. The channels must be encrypted. If they where FTA they would work via other channels and via 40 Euro FTA setboxes.

They can ONLY be FTV or pay TV. FTV costs RTE/TV3/TG4 too much.

We've had this discussion ad Nauseam on Satellite since RTE joined Sky.

This thread is for discussion of Boxer's DTT. Not the ills of European Satellite regulation.

@Elmo
If you continue on harping about satellite on the terrestrial forum we can ban you from it.

Sky don't "leave you the FTA channels". Those channels have paid real money for Sky EPG and paid Sky or Astra-SES or Eutelsat etc for carriage. Sky would get sued silly and get slapped very hard by EU if they started blocking people that paid to be on EPG. They also are legally obliged to have "Other Channels" for FTA that have not paid for Sky EPG.

It gets a bit more complicated though...
BBC is UK only PSB. So they refuse to pay to be on Irish EPG. They only pay to be on UK EPG. The BBC is forbidden by charter to pay extra to be on Irish EPG. So Sky pay the BBC for right to add BBC1 & BBC2 to Irish EPG, which is allowed by BBC charter. However though this is for Irish Sky Pay Packages, because the BBC signal is not encrypted, the channel will stay on EPG if the subscription is cancelled.

Elmo

@Elmo
If you continue on harping about satellite on the terrestrial forum we can ban you from it.

Sorry just got caught up in the discussion. I would have applogised evenually. I was wondering when we would get back on track. Anyway no news on the whole boxer front at the moment.

watty

No problem. Moved all this stuff to Satellite.

bittihuduga

watty wrote: »

To make a UK box in London work as Irish Box:
Put in current or cancelled Sub card. Irish EPG appears. If a cancelled Sub Sky3 still works but all other pay channels inc RTE blocked. If Current Sub, then RTE, TV3, TG4 etc work...

Put in current or cancelled Sub card. Irish EPG appears. - how is this possible on a cancelled sub?

biologikal

bittihuduga wrote: »

Put in current or cancelled Sub card. Irish EPG appears. - how is this possible on a cancelled sub?

Irish EPG, but no Irish pictures/sound. Message on RTE1, RTE2, etc saying if you want to view, upgrade sub.

MisterAnarchy

Sky only care about one thing, Profit.
They do not give a damn about what is in the best interest of the customer.
What they give with one hand they take with the other.

Half decent EPG but cluttered with 100's of crap channels .
One should be able to arrange the channels in whatever order one wishes like a Dreambox (Which I now use)

Each year their net revenue per subscriber target is increased.
Multiroom charges,rip off.
Sky+ charge up until recently,pure scam.
Alot of their better channels are FTA now.
You pay for the hardware you pay them a kings ransom per month to watch tv and they peddle their propaganda at you on most of their channels.

Why should there be ads on SKY ?
Surely they make enough money out of the overpriced subs which must dwarf their ad revenue.
I dont like paying 70 euro a month to watch ads.

ongarite

Bitter much?
Sky is a publicly traded business and thats the whole point of a business is to make profits.
EPG changes like that will never happen. Channels pay lots of money to be on the Sky EPG and wouldn't take it to well if the end user could just erase their channel and potential ad revenue.

Tony

Surely doing things in the best interest of the customer leads to increased profits. Why should customers not have the ability to erase channels they are not watching in any case?

Tony

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

I dont like paying 70 euro a month to watch ads.

Nobody does . You do have the choice not to pay though.

Fat_Fingers

About year ago i canceled Sky , got myself FTA box and never looked back. I control EPG and no more "Buzz TV" or "Northern Babes" on my EPG.
I still get a call from Sky from time to time with special offers to come back... Hehehe

The reason i left them in the first place i was sick and tired of paying twice for RTE and also all the rubbish on Sky... Man, they should pay me to have EPG full of crap; not other way around.

watty

You go to set up.
Pick up to 50 favorites (there only are about 42 decent TV and 8 radio on FTA)
then press Guide then blue

You then have only the channels you want on EPG.

Even if you have pay package do you really watch more than 50 TV channels?

Make your own EPG today!

watty

bittihuduga wrote: »

Put in current or cancelled Sub card. Irish EPG appears. - how is this possible on a cancelled sub?

The answer is in the quote you made. I think only the teletext works, no viewing But the EPG info (program details for whole week etc) is OK.

Elmo

There is no reason why Sky could not put RTE, TV3 and TG4 FTA in ROI using geographical means in the same way as the allow viewers in NI to view RTE 1, RTE 2, TV3 and TG4.

An ROI sky STB should be set geographically to allow for these services to be FTA.

I still don't see this issue with this option. You may make as many excuse as you like for Sky but I won't.



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TheDriver

There is a reason, MONEY!!!!! Most people sub to sky because of RTE, if it was free sky would start seeing a sharp decline in profits

Elmo

There is a reason, MONEY!!!!! Most people sub to sky because of RTE, if it was free sky would start seeing a sharp decline in profits

Excuse Number 1.

And people don't subscribe to Sky for BBC, ITV and C4? <<<<< That is a retorical question for obivous reasons.


I mean we can get FTA RTE, TV3 and TG4 via analogue.

Tony

+1 agreed

TheDriver wrote: »

There is a reason, MONEY!!!!! Most people sub to sky because of RTE, if it was free sky would start seeing a sharp decline in profits

cgarvey

Elmo wrote: »

There is no reason why Sky could not put RTE, TV3 and TG4 FTA in ROI using geographical means in the same way as the allow viewers in NI to view RTE 1, RTE 2, TV3 and TG4.

Who pays for the EPG placement and the transponder space?

Tony

Elmo wrote: »

Excuse Number 1.

Its not an excuse its financial reality. If RTE are to become available they must do so using means other than sky.

watty

Elmo wrote: »

There is no reason why Sky could not put RTE, TV3 and TG4 FTA in ROI using geographical means in the same way as the allow viewers in NI to view RTE 1, RTE 2, TV3 and TG4.

An ROI sky STB should be set geographically to allow for these services to be FTA.

I still don't see this issue with this option. You may make as many excuse as you like for Sky but I won't.



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Elmo, please don't persist with this. It's nothing to do with Sky but all about Ireland 1/20th the market size of UK. Un-encrypted Irish Satellite TV other than a specialist channel is simply not financially feasible. This has been done to death in explanations.

Elmo if you persist in this, you'll get a temp ban for trolling


Irish TV is FTA terrestrially via analogue and 80% coverage next year DTT.

rlogue

Watty, that's great if you have access to FTA analogue or DTT RTÉ - guess what? I don't.

Neither do my parents in North East Donegal for that matter. They use the Moville analogue transposer and get ropey quality RTÉ One, Two and TG4. No TV3. Moville gets its signal off air from Holywell Hill and in the summer months the picture fades on and off thanks to weather and the inevitable interference from Scotland. Before you suggest they check the antenna they have a direct line of sight to the mast. The signal Moville puts out is of a very poor quality.

Everything else comes in via Freeview from Limavady and is of course widescreen. The only way they can get TV3 or Irish programmes in proper widescreen would be via satellite but that of course is pay only.

I have written to RTÉ suggesting that at least RTÉ One should be FTA by shifting all imported programming onto RTÉ Two. Sports are mostly on Two already so RTÉ could go FTA if the will and the vision to do so was there. TG4 could go FTA but block the sports coverage, leaving TV3 and RTÉ Two encrypted as they are.

It is ludicrous that Irish people have to pay a British company for the right to watch their own channels but using this suggestion would be in my opinion a fair compromise. At the same time a FTA RTÉ One and TG4 would be available for anyone in the Astra 2D footprint to watch without paying a sub or being tied to a $ky box.

slegs

rlogue wrote: »

I have written to RTÉ suggesting that at least RTÉ One should be FTA by shifting all imported programming onto RTÉ Two. Sports are mostly on Two already so RTÉ could go FTA if the will and the vision to do so was there. TG4 could go FTA but block the sports coverage, leaving TV3 and RTÉ Two encrypted as they are.

Not a bad suggestion....it would be a partial solution at least

loyatemu

well thats essentially was RTE International will be - all home produced stuff and news...

ongarite

It sounds nice in practice but it would put RTE in even worse financial position than its already in and probably necessitate the need for TV license increase.
All films, TV shows and sports would need to move off RTE1 in effect creating the now-postponed RTE International.
All that programming wouldn't fit on the current RTE2 schedule, so RTE3 would probably be needed.
RTE1 advertising revenue would drop dramatically putting further strain on the films, TV and sports rights they can buy in.

Elmo

It sounds nice in practice but it would put RTE in even worse financial position than its already in and probably necessitate the need for TV license increase.
All films, TV shows and sports would need to move off RTE1 in effect creating the now-postponed RTE International.
All that programming wouldn't fit on the current RTE2 schedule, so RTE3 would probably be needed.
RTE1 advertising revenue would drop dramatically putting further strain on the films, TV and sports rights they can buy in.

There aren't that many non-Irish shows on RTE1. In prime time there is EastEnders, The Big Big Movie, ER and The Midweek Movie. Moving these shows to RTE TWO would not effect RTE ONE dramatically and those that watch those shows on RTE ONE could move over to RTE TWO. As for daytime. Well for one thing while I disagree with a breaky show, I think it is now time for one on RTE ONE. There daytime schedule maybe a problem since a good portion of that is imported. And they could stop broadcasting at night around the world.

Martin_F

Only this week RTE told the powers that be that they want to delay RTE International because of the 'economic downturn'. It was on RTE.ie in with another story about increased funding to Irish charity/groups in UK.

Zaphod

rlogue wrote: »

I have written to RTÉ suggesting that at least RTÉ One should be FTA by shifting all imported programming onto RTÉ Two. Sports are mostly on Two already so RTÉ could go FTA if the will and the vision to do so was there. TG4 could go FTA but block the sports coverage, leaving TV3 and RTÉ Two encrypted as they are.

Given the current economic climate, I doubt we'll see anything as innovative as that from RTÉ, unfortunately.

I reckon a FTV scheme from Sky might stand a better chance given the threat that Freesat/Sat4Free poses and the slow down in subscription rates for Sky. Getting a digibox into as many homes as possible would be a useful bulwark for Sky and tie in with their "crack cocaine" marketing philosophy.

'BSkyB to miss 2010 subscriber target'

BSkyB will miss its much-hyped target of 10 million subscribers by 2010 as a "perfect storm" of the economic downturn and threat of regulation combine to provide potentially the biggest challenge in the company's 19-year history, according to an analyst's report.

BSkyB, whose share price hit a 10-year low of 350p today, is under scrutiny after a report found that 24% of pay-TV subscribers were considering reducing or dropping subscription packages.

A Collins Stewart report published today said subscriber growth would stall, leaving BSkyB 600,000 customers short of its 10 million target by the end of 2010.

"We believe BSkyB faces greater threats to its business model than ever before," said the report. "Recession, technology shift and regulation could together combine to make the perfect storm."

If consumers do cut back on subscriptions then BSkyB's average revenue per user will fall, meaning profits could tumble.

"By then [2010] the UK may be mid-recession, Ofcom should conclude its potentially damaging pay-TV review and BSkyB will be riding the uncertainty of the next Premier League rights auction," the report said.

The report downgraded forecasts of BSkyB earnings in 2010 by 30%, compared with current consensus figures, and valued its shares at 275p, arguing that structural risks would hit its business model.

Citi Investment Research said last month that in the next auction for prime Premier League matches, BSkyB might have to shell out almost £500m more than the £1.31bn it paid last round.

Last month, Ofcom published the findings of its UK pay-TV market review, concluding that BSkyB had "market power" over football and Hollywood films. It has launched a consultation.

Collins Stewart believes that BSkyB could feel the impact of these factors "as early as next spring".

"We will be reporting our first quarter results on October 31. Consequently we are in a closed period and unable to make any comment," BSkyB said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/oct/23/bskyb-downturn

Elmo

Zaphod wrote: »

Given the current economic climate, I doubt we'll see anything as innovative as that from RTÉ, unfortunately.

I don't think it is that innovative. Remember back in 1992 Coronation Street was on Network 2 not RTE ONE the only reason it moved to RTE ONE was for sports coverage, "The Olympic Channel".

This lead to RTE ONE getting better audiences for Coronation Street, and lets face it for RTE it is easier just to show Coronation Street then to produce your own show, hence EastEnders going to RTE when the lost Coronation Street.

As I said the main issue would be Daytime and Late Night TV, but their is no reason why RTE couldn't just cut their service on Free Satellite during programmes they don't have rights to. But their Prime time schedule would have to be 100% Irish = 6hour increase in programming on RTE ONE not a huge amount. They could take 6hour from RTE TWO, and replace it with EastEnders and Movies.

I would just like to appoligise for getting this thread off the topic.

Lets continue this discussion her on the other thread about RTE International

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=57839876&posted=1#post57839876

DTTfan

Hi all, been away for a while checking out what the developments are in the process and the latest is that Communicorp are now starting to push Boxer into some pretty stupid areas. CC want unique channels to UPC , SKY, obviously they dont know that what is out there is all thats available. They seem to think that the packages should contain what they want rather than what the public want. There is a forum planned in a few locations about that will give an overview, but if boxer arent careful they may end up loosing the whole platform due to stupid suggestions and pushy behaviour of Communicorp who to be honest have absolutly no experience in a Channel platform.

Communicorp are so pumped up at the moment that they are even lining up a load of jobs for their overseas staff in Boxer Ireland.

The role out was supposed to happen in jan, but now looks like July, not Boxers fault by the looks of it, the infrastructure is still not in place and it looks like the east coast is going to loose their spill over signals from the uk as they turn to digital before the service is available here.

Tony

Should this not be in the terrestrial forum?

channelsurfer

DTTfan wrote: »

Hi all, been away for a while checking out what the developments are in the process and the latest is that Communicorp are now starting to push Boxer into some pretty stupid areas. CC want unique channels to UPC , SKY, obviously they dont know that what is out there is all thats available. They seem to think that the packages should contain what they want rather than what the public want. There is a forum planned in a few locations about that will give an overview, but if boxer arent careful they may end up loosing the whole platform due to stupid suggestions and pushy behaviour of Communicorp who to be honest have absolutly no experience in a Channel platform.

Communicorp are so pumped up at the moment that they are even lining up a load of jobs for their overseas staff in Boxer Ireland.

The role out was supposed to happen in jan, but now looks like July, not Boxers fault by the looks of it, the infrastructure is still not in place and it looks like the east coast is going to loose their spill over signals from the uk as they turn to digital before the service is available here.

Interesting indeed. are you an insider in the negotions with the BCI or just well tuned in???

Elmo

From what I have gathered Boxer are going with the standard Pay TV in the Republic. BBC1, 2, UTV, C4, UKTV Channels. At least that was their proposal, as it was the same set of channels that One Vision and Easy TV had on their proposal. What other stations are there?

DTTfan

From what I have gathered Boxer are going with the standard Pay TV in the Republic. BBC1, 2, UTV, C4, UKTV Channels. At least that was their proposal, as it was the same set of channels that One Vision and Easy TV had on their proposal. What other stations are there?

The packages still have not been decided but the basic will have the home grown with prob BBC 1,2,3, mayb discovery and living,, CC are messing around at the moment so once the forums have taken place a decision will be made and then presented to the BCI.

I dont have any connection to any of the groups but its not difficult to find out whats going on and it wasnt difficult to preempt what communicorp would get up to once they got the foot in. I think they need to listen to Boxer SW and take on board their years of platform experience and work with them rather than against them.

The station issue is the main one at present. CC want unique channels!??? what channels are unique i thought we had every channel going, i suppose they could ask TV3 to start broadcasting 24hour expose! now that would be unique/

byte

Last few posts are not relevant to Satellite forum.

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