This kind of rubbish coming to Ireland

Kernunos

Well Northern Ireland anyway. Just read there abouta DUP politician trying to get Creationism taught in Northern schools either alongside or instead of Evolution Theory. He also wants the Giants Causeway to have signs that give a Biblical explanation for its formation.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0807/1218047756470.html

dr.bollocko

Oh for **** sake.
Right.
This is just not going to happen.
Even if I have to march for it.
Whatever it takes. Let them have their nonsense, but don't teach it like it's real!

Rev Hellfire

Its not exactly new up there, considering where the DUP comes from and its connection with the Free Presbyterian church, its not something to be that surprised about.

MrPudding

DUP idiot wrote:

The problem to date has been that we only have a narrow interpretation from an evolutionary point of view as to how these particular stones were formed

So the stones evolved?

MrP

Zombrex

Kernunos wrote: »

He also wants the Giants Causeway to have signs that give a Biblical explanation for its formation.

hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

Point and laugh children, point and laugh

suckslikeafox

Wicknight wrote: »

Point and laugh children, point and laugh

Normally id agree with ya but people actually believe this crap

Zombrex

suckslikeafox wrote: »

Normally id agree with ya but people actually believe this crap

And we should point at them and laugh

Dades

Wicknight wrote: »

And we should point at them and laugh

Might I direct you to the Charter here.... oh forget it...

/ starts pointing >>

Zombrex

It is funny they mention the Giant's Causeway, because that is often used and an example of something that appears to be quite ordered and structured and designed but that has a perfectly natural non-intelligent explanation, once you find out what it is. This is used in parallel with evolution to show that just because we at one point have a hard time understanding how something structured can appear from nature doesn't mean it can't.

But obviously these people think it can't, despite a very sound scientific explanation.

I would love to see what competting theory they have,

hairyheretic

Wicknight wrote: »

I would love to see what competting theory they have,

Does it involve noodly appendages?

Galvasean

Wicknight wrote: »

But obviously these people think it can't, despite a very sound scientific explanation.

I would love to see what competting theory they have,

Well I visited the place as a kid. The legend goes it was built by giants.

Rev Hellfire

Wicknight wrote: »

I would love to see what competing theory they have,

I heard it involved two giants...

eoin5

The DUP have lost all credibility, they just like to make a song and dance about everything now. Last week it was homophobia, I wonder whats up next week?

MrPudding

eoin5 wrote: »

The DUP have lost all credibility, they just like to make a song and dance about everything now. Last week it was homophobia, I wonder whats up next week?

To say that they have lost all credibility implies that they had some to start with... To us, as reasonable people they seem like idiots. To their followers they can do no wrong.

MrP

Dave!

What a disgusting moron that man is.

aidan24326

Wicknight wrote: »

I would love to see what competting theory they have

I wouldn't be expecting much other than the usual 'god did it' answer.

AtomicHorror

Mervyn Storey wrote:

The problem to date has been that we only have a narrow interpretation from an evolutionary point of view as to how these particular stones were formed.

The theory of evolution has nothing to do with the formation of rocks.

Mervyn Storey wrote:

She tells us she's all for equality; surely if that is the case, you can't have one set of interpretations being taught at the expense of others.

If you assume all interpretations are actually equal then the curriculum is going to get very crowded.

Zombrex

AtomicHorror wrote: »

The theory of evolution has nothing to do with the formation of rocks.

Nor for that matter does the age of the Earth, or radiometeric dating, have anything to do with evolution.

Dades

Wicknight wrote: »

Nor for that matter does the age of the Earth, or radiometeric dating, have anything to do with evolution.

...until someone claims that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, thereby rendering evolution impossible.

Zombrex

Dades wrote: »

...until someone claims that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, thereby rendering evolution impossible.

Yes but it isn't evolutionists who claim the Earth is old. The Earth being old simply means that there is a time period that evolution could work, but evolution doesn't state the Earth is old.

Creationists in their rush to attack evolution seem to think everything they dislike stems from evolutionary science. In fact there are completely unrelated areas of science that contradict their literal interpretation of Genesis. They largely ignore this because to them evolution is the be all and end all.

toiletduck

I'm wagering "It was a dock for Noahs Ark" :pac:

Flamed Diving

A stairway to heaven?

Galvasean

toiletduck wrote: »

I'm wagering "It was a dock for Noahs Ark" :pac:

Goooood... :pac:

Flamed Diving wrote: »

A stairway to heaven?

Winner!

AtomicHorror wrote: »

If you assume all interpretations are actually equal then the curriculum is going to get very crowded.

I certainly can't wait until the Flat Earth Society, Holocost deniers and people who believe lizards rule the world come banging on the classroom door.

CCCP^

Wait for the Rapture. That's when the party's going to happen, when all these assholes **** off. THEN IT'S OUR PLACE!!! YAAAARGH!

Galvasean

CCCP^ wrote: »

Wait for the Rapture. That's when the party's going to happen, when all these assholes **** off. THEN IT'S OUR PLACE!!! YAAAARGH!

The Rapture will be great. The believers get to go to heaven. We get to live in a world free from ID.

Dades

Galvasean wrote: »

The Rapture will be great. The believers get to go to heaven. We get to live in a world free from ID.

And the creationists get to live in one free from I.

Galvasean

Dades wrote: »

And the creationists get to live in one free from logic.

fixed.

robindch

Galvasean wrote: »

The Rapture will be great. The believers get to go to heaven. We get to live in a world free from ID.

Sounds like Douglas Adam's Golgafrinchans all over again -- how could we convince fundamentalists that the rapture was nigh? A 500-foot tall inflatable Jesus on the White House lawn, smiting anybody who thinks he's not there?

Zillah

I don't think something thats inflatable is capable of much smiting

Dades

Zillah wrote: »

I don't think something thats inflatable is capable of much smiting

Oh, ye think so?

Dave!

Hey has the Thanks option been removed from A&A?

I want to express my appreciation of Dades' above post but in the absense of a handy button, I can think of no alternative way to convey that sentiment

Beruthiel

Dave! wrote: »

Hey has the Thanks option been removed from A&A? (

No.
You must have used up your daily alloted amount.

Dades

Dave! wrote: »

I want to express my appreciation of Dades' above post but in the absense of a handy button, I can think of no alternative way to convey that sentiment

Consider it done!

You must have been up all night thanking, btw.

Dave!

boo-urns..... Damn me and my graciousness!

I sure hope nobody makes any posts in the next 24 hrs that are REALLY REALLY in need of my thanks!

Anywho... carry on....

Myksyk

My three theories ... The causeway was formed:
1. By an over-excited, infant god going bananas with a large hexagonal-ish bun cutter.
2. By an advanced and uber-large extra-terrestrial race who developed an early version of three dimensional Tetris
or
3. By the pre-historic Corporate Giants 'LEGO-lith' as part of an over-the-top publicity campaign.

robindch

Zillah wrote: »

I don't think something thats inflatable is capable of much smiting

Zillah, my son, my son, you're not getting into the spirit of this at all!

The inflatable Jesus, like the smiting, will be invisible, so believers will have a great chance to show how mighty is their faith that the invisible Jesus is actually smiting all the unfaithful who think he's not there at all. To the likes of us with no faith or under the influence of Satan, everybody will be walking around as normal, but the Truly Faithful will see many people lying smitten on the grounds, wisps of holy smoke rising gracefully into the air.

It's a bit like the Emperors New Clothes, only with thunderbolts.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Thing is, I'd have no problem with intelligent design in philosophy/religion, but Biology never attempts to explain the origins of the universe. Madness

lostexpectation

more info link to bbc interviews
http://community.bcseweb.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=1876

lostexpectation

its shows how confllict allows crazies to flourish

lostexpectation

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Thing is, I'd have no problem with intelligent design in philosophy/religion, but Biology never attempts to explain the origins of the universe. Madness

are you serious?

Bottle_of_Smoke

lostexpectation wrote: »

are you serious?

Yes, do you have any further questions?

lostexpectation

was there any biology at the beginning of the universe?

Zillah

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Thing is, I'd have no problem with intelligent design in philosophy/religion, but Biology never attempts to explain the origins of the universe. Madness

This is amazing.

The Mad Hatter

Zillah wrote: »

This is amazing.

Even Richard Dawkins has said that he's ok with ID being taught in religion classes.

I have no objection to all kinds of daft ideas being taught in comparative religion classes but in science what we should teach is what there is evidence for and children should be encouraged to examine evidence.

I don't see any particular reason why it shouldn't be taught in religion classes, but it shouldn't be brought in to a class where children are supposed to learn to think critically and examine evidence.

Galvasean

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

I don't see any particular reason why it shouldn't be taught in religion classes, but it shouldn't be brought in to a class where children are supposed to learn to think critically and examine evidence.

Obviously if they were examining the evidence for ID critically they would quickly see that there is no good evidence for it and dismiss it.

AtomicHorror

lostexpectation wrote: »

was there any biology at the beginning of the universe?

I suspect that was his point. The expectation that some aspect of Biology (Evolution) could discount all of the activities that God is credited with shows a serious lack of scientific understanding on the part of our fundementalist friends.

The Mad Hatter

Galvasean wrote: »

Obviously if they were examining the evidence for ID critically they would quickly see that there is no good evidence for it and dismiss it.

That depends on the teacher. A science teacher who supports creationism (and there are a couple) would quite easily be able to indoctrinate it in young minds.

I always found religion classes in school a bit odd - it always felt like 'ok, now here's the class that makes much less sense.'

Tomk1

This has to be stopped. it will make a joke of the education system, I have seen a lot of the poor brains that have been brainwashed, posting on YouTube, do we want Irish people to be like VFX in 15 years.

AtomicHorror

So is there any clear move to introduce ID in Northern Irish schools? Calls from one politician don't mean much, especially coming from the same party as the recent homophobic rantings etc...

Frankie Lee

Slightly OT but,
Am I the only one who is extremely frightened by the increasing numbers of fundamentalists?
I was in America recently and its very scary over there, it has to be brainwashing.

Galvasean

AtomicHorror wrote: »

So is there any clear move to introduce ID in Northern Irish schools? Calls from one politician don't mean much, especially coming from the same party as the recent homophobic rantings etc...

Last I checked the DUP wre quite popular in Northern Ireland.