Do-gooders....wrecking motors ?

RobAMerc

Does anybody else feel motors is been taken over by a bunch of do-gooders nagging the crap out of people who admit they once went 5kph over the limit and tut tutting at folk who's cars emit more than 0.001g/km or whatever it is?

Are the any car nuts left on boards?
Is it totally frowned upon to talk about driving quickly ever in any light ?
Is enjoying driving your car taboo now ?

I have to admit I am seeing less and less of knowledgeable genuine enthusiasts here ( or at least they post less often) than there used to be.

This is rapidly becoming the haunt of the anti motorists!

lightening

RobAMerc wrote: »

Does anybody else feel motors is been taken over by a bunch of do-gooders

Yeah, its easy to be mr. perfect behind the keyboard, I have been guilty of it myself.

Truth be known I have 2 penalty points and was speeding on Sunday!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

pyramuid man

While I dont speed, I dont care about co2 emmissions and I like to see some of the classics out there as much as I like to see an m5.
This is a good place for advice but I can see why people dont want every second post to be about illegal activities either.
I think there can be a happy medium between the eco concious* and the petrol heads

maidhc

Yeah, this place has got a bit boring to be honest.

The classic cars forum is much more interesting as the posts seem to be by people who are genuinely interested. The trolls, PC crowd and hangers on have not as yet discovered it.

Quazzie

I agree with pyramuid man. Its good to have a happy medium between all out petrol heads and car fanatics. I think there is a difference. Knowledge of a cars stats doesn't make you one or the other. And while break the law is to be frowned upon all real petrol heads will admit toa bit of speeding, whereas the fanatics prefer to hide behind their keyboards preaching.
No driver out there has not driven above the speed limit at some stage. FACT.

Driving at speed in a car designed for speed (like the aforementioned M5) is a totally different thing than driving at speed in a 1.0L Micra. Speed is relative to a lot of things, Road conditions, Driver experience/ability, Car capabilities just to mention a few

daveharnett

Yes. To be fair, the rest of us have to take a portion of the blame - we allow the loud minority to derail so many threads into the same tired argument. IMO we all just need to ignore posts that seek to change the subject in this way.

OR how about we set up an "Is Speeding Bad?" sticky, into which we can throw any posts which get sucked into the argument? It seems one way of avoiding having it repeated all over the place.

Rowley Birkin QC

It's the forum I frequent most on boards and I would consider myself to be a financially challenged car-nut.:o

The only thing I notice is that a lot of threads seem to go wildly off topic, MarkNs thread regarding replacement of his 335 being a prime example.

All in all I find motors to be a great resource and while there are a number of people who ride in on very very high horses the majority of regulars seem to be genuine petrolheads.

Biro

RobAMerc wrote: »

Does anybody else feel motors is been taken over by a bunch of do-gooders nagging the crap out of people who admit they once went 5kph over the limit and tut tutting at folk who's cars emit more than 0.001g/km or whatever it is?

Are the any car nuts left on boards?
Is it totally frowned upon to talk about driving quickly ever in any light ?
Is enjoying driving your car taboo now ?

I have to admit I am seeing less and less of knowledgeable genuine enthusiasts here ( or at least they post less often) than there used to be.

This is rapidly becoming the haunt of the anti motorists!

Feckin sure... You're a criminal if you admit to speeding or anything of the sort. Even the baiting thread where people were cribbing that you shouldn't overtake something doing 90kmph because you're not allowed to pass 100kmph and it'll take too long. B0ll0cks to that I say, when I come behind something doing 80 or 90kmph and I have a good clear straight road I bury the shoe and pass, taking no heed of what the needle says till I'm safely back to my side.
I enjoy a good spirited drive down a decent twisty road in the right car. I've driven cars of varying ability, and only a fool would believe that I kept a 997 Carerra S for example under the 100kph limit. Am I sorry for it? Not a bit. That's what they're made for. I'm sure this post will be dug up and thrown in my face, but I don't care. I'm not a lunatic, I don't drive like a clown, no tailgating, pulling out of junctions, overtaking on corners, wrong lane on the roundabout, 100kph in wet foggy conditions - all that sort of lark - that's not me, that's the stuff that causes accidents. Breaking the speed limit? Sometimes, in the right car in the right conditions. I don't see the need to feel bad about that.

Neilw

Biro wrote: »

Feckin sure... You're a criminal if you admit to speeding or anything of the sort. Even the baiting thread where people were cribbing that you shouldn't overtake something doing 90kmph because you're not allowed to pass 100kmph and it'll take too long. B0ll0cks to that I say, when I come behind something doing 80 or 90kmph and I have a good clear straight road I bury the shoe and pass, taking no heed of what the needle says till I'm safely back to my side.
I enjoy a good spirited drive down a decent twisty road in the right car. I've driven cars of varying ability, and only a fool would believe that I kept a 997 Carerra S for example under the 100kph limit. Am I sorry for it? Not a bit. That's what they're made for. I'm sure this post will be dug up and thrown in my face, but I don't care. I'm not a lunatic, I don't drive like a clown, no tailgating, pulling out of junctions, overtaking on corners, wrong lane on the roundabout, 100kph in wet foggy conditions - all that sort of lark - that's not me, that's the stuff that causes accidents. Breaking the speed limit? Sometimes, in the right car in the right conditions. I don't see the need to feel bad about that.

Well siad
Bury the shoe is right!

tiredmam

Yes, and i mostly read here.

NiSmO

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Henry Ford III

Bless me father for I have sinned. I went a bit too fast once or twice.

Max_Damage

RobAMerc wrote: »

Does anybody else feel motors is been taken over by a bunch of do-gooders nagging the crap out of people who admit they once went 5kph over the limit and tut tutting at folk who's cars emit more than 0.001g/km or whatever it is?

Are the any car nuts left on boards?
Is it totally frowned upon to talk about driving quickly ever in any light ?
Is enjoying driving your car taboo now ?

I have to admit I am seeing less and less of knowledgeable genuine enthusiasts here ( or at least they post less often) than there used to be.

This is rapidly becoming the haunt of the anti motorists!

Post of the year!

Like another poster said, the classic car forum is where most of the real petrol heads reside (including myself). No nonsense about CO2 emissions there!

BAH HUMBUG

Im in favour of retro fit hybrids, vegetable oil (that gives diesels 5% more torque) electric cars with mental torque from their electric motors and autobahns.............all in the name of the environment too

keep your old V6 - rather than scrap it building cars emits most of the Co2 anyway
autobahns for a more productive efficient economy and damn the toll bridge to hell
all the co2 wasted as the cars sat idling was a crime against the environment

veg oil hybrids and electric cars with torque that would break your neck!!!!

the future is bright dont despair

Cmar-Ireland

Biro wrote: »

Feckin sure... You're a criminal if you admit to speeding or anything of the sort. Even the baiting thread where people were cribbing that you shouldn't overtake something doing 90kmph because you're not allowed to pass 100kmph and it'll take too long. B0ll0cks to that I say, when I come behind something doing 80 or 90kmph and I have a good clear straight road I bury the shoe and pass, taking no heed of what the needle says till I'm safely back to my side.
I enjoy a good spirited drive down a decent twisty road in the right car. I've driven cars of varying ability, and only a fool would believe that I kept a 997 Carerra S for example under the 100kph limit. Am I sorry for it? Not a bit. That's what they're made for. I'm sure this post will be dug up and thrown in my face, but I don't care. I'm not a lunatic, I don't drive like a clown, no tailgating, pulling out of junctions, overtaking on corners, wrong lane on the roundabout, 100kph in wet foggy conditions - all that sort of lark - that's not me, that's the stuff that causes accidents. Breaking the speed limit? Sometimes, in the right car in the right conditions. I don't see the need to feel bad about that.

:eek: Oh, your in big trouble now !!! Say twenty hail marys for your sins:D

caesar

Agreed with Biro, especially on the bit about overtaking. Someone said speed is relative to a lot of things and the bang on right.

I hate the types that come out with stuff like "oh but your were 10kph over the speed limit, so you were breaking the law", even though you were doing it so that you could overtake safely. This is usually greeted with "oh but you shouldn't have overtaken that person doing 90kph if you couldn't do so without breaking the limit" Tbh I think thats a load of bollox sure if 3 or 4 cars were to go by that logic & stay behind that car even though they had opportunities to overtake, someone at the back would eventually try to take the lot....oh and I know someone is going to come along and pick at my example but most here will understand what Im saying.

As regards Co2, I give up. By the time people figure it out we'll all be dieing from the other chemicals in the atmosphere.

bigkev49 wrote: »

the majority of regulars seem to be genuine petrolheads.

A petrolhead currently driving a diesel .....I'll get my coat!

mik_da_man

I got sick of replying to threads in case of flaming abuse of "Do Gooders"
I drive a relativley quick car (to me) and I enjoy driving it.
I know what CO2 it emits and it's high, but I don't care about that.
I bought my car to drive not save the planet, I can do that in other ways.

As for speeding, sure I do sometimes - no points yet thank god.

People are entitled to their opinions but some of them take the p1ss by having their .02c on every thread they can find something even slightly morally wrong with.

Mik

bandit197

Biro wrote: »

Feckin sure... You're a criminal if you admit to speeding or anything of the sort. Even the baiting thread where people were cribbing that you shouldn't overtake something doing 90kmph because you're not allowed to pass 100kmph and it'll take too long. B0ll0cks to that I say, when I come behind something doing 80 or 90kmph and I have a good clear straight road I bury the shoe and pass, taking no heed of what the needle says till I'm safely back to my side.
I enjoy a good spirited drive down a decent twisty road in the right car. I've driven cars of varying ability, and only a fool would believe that I kept a 997 Carerra S for example under the 100kph limit. Am I sorry for it? Not a bit. That's what they're made for. I'm sure this post will be dug up and thrown in my face, but I don't care. I'm not a lunatic, I don't drive like a clown, no tailgating, pulling out of junctions, overtaking on corners, wrong lane on the roundabout, 100kph in wet foggy conditions - all that sort of lark - that's not me, that's the stuff that causes accidents. Breaking the speed limit? Sometimes, in the right car in the right conditions. I don't see the need to feel bad about that.

Post of the day^^ What he said.

daRobot

Yup, you're spot on. More preachers in here than Texas.

Biro

Cmar-Ireland wrote: »

:eek: Oh, your in big trouble now !!! Say twenty hail marys for your sins:D

I feel so dirty... Maybe I should ban myself for a week!

Imperator

Couldnt agree more with RobMerc. Perhaps a thread on why people actually love cars is in order here. I'l get on it.

Quint

Get a MPH speedo in your car and pretend all the KPH signs are actually MPH. So do 120mph on the motorway, 80mph on the back roads etc, it's a good guide. Anything more is taking the piss, unless you're driving a seriously nice motor.

Steve

Jebus, Motors has been in dire need of a thread like this for a good while. Fair play to ya RobAMerc.

I too don't drive to save the planet by getting from a to b as carbon friendly / slowly as possible, I drive to enjoy it.

De Hipster

I'm a rare enough poster here, but always visit to see what the latest chit-chat is about.

I agree wholeheartedly that the 'you broke the law & deserve to be flogged in public like the beee-atch you are' brigade are really taking over & certainly not making the place interesting...

vroom...vroom, is that the sweet sweet smell of petrol fumes & the music of 7000rpm?!

Owen

To be honest, I used to love the Motors forum, and then it went sour really quickly. If it isn't a holier than thou preach by the masses against speeding, it's people debating which is better, driving into a space, or reversing in. If it isn't that, its Peasant locking every single thread on the Forum.

And it really sickens me how Dealers on this Forum are treated by users. We give up our time answering questions, and genuinely trying to help out, and still get roasted ... which is why I bowed out. AudiChris, ColmMcm, Junkyard ... I don't know how you still put up with it.

This forum has really done down the swanny as far as I'm concerned, I still watch it, but I never see the need to post anymore until now. Well done OP.

mik_da_man

Well I for one Appreciate the help you and fellow car dealer posters who take timeout to answer questions.
I know it has been helpful in decisions when I have been purchasing cars.

Mik

Mr. Presentable

Relax. It's a difference of opinion. If everyone agrees you'll soon be complaining it's become a forum of self congratulating back-slappers.

Maybe there should be a driving forum.........

Quazzie

nipplenuts wrote: »

Maybe there should be a driving forum.........

Shotgun!!!!

Biro

nipplenuts wrote: »

Relax. It's a difference of opinion. If everyone agrees you'll soon be complaining it's become a forum of self congratulating back-slappers.

Maybe there should be a driving forum.........

Could be a plan. Or a Petrol head section, not like the modified bit, just for Petrol heads! Anyone who knows a bit and likes talking about general car stuff, and no "I like Polos, which one should I get? The one with black seats or blue?".

peasant

nipplenuts wrote: »

Relax. It's a difference of opinion. If everyone agrees you'll soon be complaining it's become a forum of self congratulating back-slappers.

Maybe there should be a driving forum.........

When you last suggested it, it wasn't exactly met with enthusiasm ...for the very reason that the "do gooders" would probably spoil it.

Steve

Maybe there should be a moto-equine forum then.
Preferably with a non-return valve on it.

There is a huge rush of idiots to tell people off when there is the slightest hint of illegality or improper road manners.
Its often a point scoring excercise rather than any meaningful discussion. Take the constant "fast lane" , "road rage" or "speeding" threads. Their only purpose is self fellating and back slapping.
I stopped reading motors a while back but there are some useful and interesting threads among the steaming pile.
I only read this place infrequently now. Octane.ie is a much better read.

pyramuid man

Biro wrote: »

and no "I like Polos, which one should I get? The one with black seats or blue?".

Laughed my ass off at that. just because its true

alias no.9

I think part of the problem is that people who've taken a chance but got caught, come on here asking questions about farming points out to elderly relatives or other ways to weasel out of motoring offences. Their contribution to the forum is of little value and they're a magnet for high horses. Don't get me wrong, I'm no saint even though I've never got any penalty points* but I firmly believe that if you get caught it's time say fair cop and move on, rather than coming on somewhere like this and moaning about it.

*probably more to do with the effectiveness of the gardai than me being a model citizen

pyramuid man

alias no.9 wrote: »

I think part of the problem is that people who've taken a chance but got caught, come on here asking questions about farming points out to elderly relatives or other ways to weasel out of motoring offences. Their contribution to the forum is of little value and they're a magnet for high horses. Don't get me wrong, I'm no saint even though I've never got any penalty points* but I firmly believe that if you get caught it's time say fair cop and move on, rather than coming on somewhere like this and moaning about it.

*probably more to do with the effectiveness of the gardai than me being a model citizen

This is true but that is only one aspect of it.

Maybe there should be a thread megamerge on threads like will I buy the blue car or the red car or I really like ford focus but I saw an astra which I don't like and am thinking of buying it.

Thats what they did on mobiles/pda's when the barrage of questions came in on the iphone.

Ferris

peasant wrote: »

When you last suggested it, it wasn't exactly met with enthusiasm ...for the very reason that the "do gooders" would probably spoil it.

Can we not set up a road safety forum then?

Uncle Gaybo to moderate of course.

Ferris

Ferris wrote: »

Can we not set up a road safety forum then?

Uncle Gaybo to moderate of course.

Then exile many motors posters to it.

They can be happy, safe and self satisfied in gaybos wonderland.

Zube

pyramuid man wrote: »

Maybe there should be a thread megamerge on threads like will I buy the blue car or the red car or I really like ford focus but I saw an astra which I don't like and am thinking of buying it.

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pyramuid man

brilliant.

Robbo

ronoc wrote: »

Its often a point scoring excercise rather than any meaningful discussion. Take the constant "fast lane" , "road rage" or "speeding" threads. Their only purpose is self fellating and back slapping.

Why not boot all them "driving standards" threads over to Learning to Drive? At least some educational value can be derived from them then.

Robbo

Biro wrote: »

Anyone who knows a bit and likes talking about general car stuff, and no "I like Polos, which one should I get? The one with black seats or blue?".

What about the "I bought a Polo with blue seats and I want black ones, how much will it cost me to get them resprayed? €20? €40?"

pyramuid man

You would get your seats resprayed?

Mr Benevolent

Certainly speeding is associated with poor driving, at least by the general public. Whether going above the legal speed limit is particularly dangerous is another thing. In good conditions it's not particularly unsafe, as long as you know what you're doing.

I'll give you an example. My brother claims that he is a natural driver. He's had his full licence 6 months and drives my parents Meriva. How the hell can he be a natural driver? For crying out loud, we've been driving in industrial estates and he won't brake hard because he's afraid of 'damaging the car'. This is utterly illogical. You can't be a natural if you're afraid to use the car to it's limits in a safe environment (i.e, in a straight line with no traffic, or at Mondello). So he doesn't know what he's doing.

He's the average driver on the road. Let's say he goes on the motorway in a bad mood and decides to boot it in the overtake lane. At 150kph a car ahead swings into his lane travelling at 90kph. They're 20m apart and closing. He does one of three things.

1) He swerves to avoid.
2) He brakes heavily.
3) He does both

Either way, he's now in deep sh1t.

What's annoying is that he refused to take the car to Mondello for a morning and throw it around. Ok, it's not a performance car, but it'll at least show him how the car responds in bad situations.

Max_Damage

If there is a driving forum, it should be made private. Only us real petrol heads should be let in!

Steve

Confab wrote: »

something totally irrelevent to this thread

hmmmmm...

Steve

Max_Damage wrote: »

If there is a driving forum, it should be made private. Only us real petrol heads should be let in!

hmmm you mean a bit like the humour forum has that 'other place' - not a bad Idea.:pac:

Athough it's probably there already and we just haven't been invited..:(

E92

Good God we've needed a post like the OPs for quite a long time.

This forum has gone WAY downhill in the past few months. There is far too much space given to those who post things that are deliberately designed to annoy those of us who are true petrolheads, everyone knows what they are, and more to the point we have covered them all ad nauseam at this stage.

Yet when we have arguments about what car is best and why petrol is better than diesel or why car x is the best/worst thing to have graced us with our presence, which is what car enthusiasts should be doing we can get cautioned and if these same threads go a little off topic they'll be closed. I'm beginning to wonder is this a Motors forum for people who like cars at all or is it a "let's show 'em all why they're so "wrong" and lets annoy motoring enthusiasts in their own supposed forum"?

I certainly didn't replace a 1.8 petrol 4 pot with a 2.0 6 pot so that I could "slow down" or because I felt a need to save a couple of polar bears, no I did it because I like cars, I see a need for more than 4 cylinders, and because I like driving.

I wish those that don't like driving and hate those of us who don't like cars would just bog off and leave us motoring enthusiasts in peace.

Btw I came back from Germany yesterday morning where I had the absolute privilege of travelling in excess of 200 km/h in a Passat 2.0 TDI. Surprisingly:rolleyes:, considering how "dangerous" and "life threatening":rolleyes: "speeding"/going fasty is I'm still alive and didn't even so much as have the slightest injury.
RobAMerc hit the nail on the head. Time to wake up people!

Robertr

How about you get rid of the Motors section and replace with a few more sections?


Rec > Motors > General Chat
Rec > Motors > Petrol Heads
Rec > Motors > Buy & Sell Advice
Rec > Motors > VRT
Rec > Motors > Legal Stuff
Rec > Motors > Engine Trouble
Rec > Motors > Insurance

Robertr

Robertr wrote: »

How about you get rid of the Motors section and replace with a few more sections?


Rec > Motors > General Chat
Rec > Motors > Petrol Heads
Rec > Motors > Buy & Sell Advice
Rec > Motors > VRT
Rec > Motors > Legal Stuff
Rec > Motors > Engine Trouble
Rec > Motors > Insurance

Boards.ie needs more special interest forums that noone reads:pac:

Max_Damage

Robertr wrote: »

How about you get rid of the Motors section and replace with a few more sections?


Rec > Motors > General Chat
Rec > Motors > Petrol Heads
Rec > Motors > Buy & Sell Advice
Rec > Motors > VRT
Rec > Motors > Legal Stuff
Rec > Motors > Engine Trouble
Rec > Motors > Insurance

Don't forget a BMW section for the fanboys...

MSporty

This is a good thread, find myself agreeing fully with the OP. There are some other forums that will crucify you if you admit to going over the speed limit,overtaking etc. I find it very hard to keep my car under the limit especially on the motorway. Have the penalty points to prove it