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long range varminting
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04-08-2008 9:32pm#1
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johngalway wrote: »I'd be more interested in how some seem to be loading their own ammo. Not that I'm pointing any fingers like :P
We can just presume that they imported the powder with a permit before the DoJ stopped giving them out.
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johngalway wrote: »That was quick, I'm impressed
I aim to please.
(Then I pull the trigger for my own satisfaction) 0 -
johngalway wrote: »That was quick, I'm impressed
the 110 gr norma v max .270 are off the shelf catrridge0 -
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Some interesting long range varminting videos, all from the US-
http://www.richardscustomrifles.com/huntingvideos.htm
http://dogbegone.com/
Richard Franklin's stuff is particularly interesting, in that he's using his own custom built long range target rifles to belt groundhogs.
The dogbegone offerings are much more professionally produced, but the whoopin' and hollerin' and dramatic music may not be to everyone's taste.
Neither of them are suitable viewing for sensitive souls. 0 -
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The dogbegone offerings are much more professionally produced, but the whoopin' and hollerin' and dramatic music may not be to everyone's taste.
Neither of them are suitable viewing for sensitive souls.
I'd say the exploding gophers would not be for the squeamish:D
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That's the part of this activity that makes me uneasy, to be honest.<snip youtube video>
Belting rabbits or grey crows or rats or prairie dogs or whatever other small quarry at long ranges with fullbore rifles is one thing; the relative difference between the size of the quarry and the size and speed of the bullet is such that a hit of practically any sort is a kill, and a miss is a miss no matter what calibre is used.
Going after bigger quarry though is more problematical, in my opinion.
While the 'kill zone' of a deer is in or around the size of an entire rabbit, a miss on the rabbit is exactly that: a miss; a 'miss' on the kill zone of a deer is much more likely to result in a wounded deer, and one that by definition isn't quick or easy to follow up and dispatch properly as it's so far away in the first place.
The shooters in the above videos (the varmint ones) are using sophisticated rangefinding equipment and often have spotters watching their fall of shot as they walk the bullets onto the target and usually have plenty of opportunity for sighting shots too; it's more akin to a benchrest target session that anything else.
And I have no problem with that; the destruction of vermin is a worthy occupation in and of itself, and dead is dead, no matter if the quarry was shot with a pellet gun at 5 meters or a 6.5-284 at 1000.
Shooting at deer or other larger species at ranges beyond which the shooter can't have a more than reasonable expectation of a clean kill is something that I'd hope no hunter with any sort of respect for the quarry would consider.
Unless the shooter has access to firepower that delivers the same overwhelming impact to a deer as a high velocity .30 calibre rifle bullet does to a rabbit, it's a wholely different proposition; a tank or artillery piece, perhaps?
Of course, deer aren't 'vermin' in the normal sense of the word, so their 'destruction' isn't (or isn't supposed to be) the point of hunting them in the first place.
(and no, I wouldn't condone shooting deer with artillery either!) 0 -
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there is a ethical question you have to ask yourself every time you pull the trigger on live game or vermin no matter what it is,i would think there is more pigeons pricked with no 8 trap shot every year than the rest of game lost put together ,some of the deer killed in the videos are shot with a 338 edge using mostly 250gr ballistic tips and there not varmints any way and would not condone shooting them past 200 yrds ..shooting vermin with highpower rifles its a kill or a miss excluding foxes .where i shoot is miles of mountain and safe noting on it only vermin and the odd sheep .all shots are range finded firstThat's the part of this activity that makes me uneasy, to be honest.
Belting rabbits or grey crows or rats or prairie dogs or whatever other small quarry at long ranges with fullbore rifles is one thing; the relative difference between the size of the quarry and the size and speed of the bullet is such that a hit of practically any sort is a kill, and a miss is a miss no matter what calibre is used.
Going after bigger quarry though is more problematical, in my opinion.
While the 'kill zone' of a deer is in or around the size of an entire rabbit, a miss on the rabbit is exactly that: a miss; a 'miss' on the kill zone of a deer is much more likely to result in a wounded deer, and one that by definition isn't quick or easy to follow up and dispatch properly as it's so far away in the first place.
The shooters in the above videos (the varmint ones) are using sophisticated rangefinding equipment and often have spotters watching their fall of shot as they walk the bullets onto the target and usually have plenty of opportunity for sighting shots too; it's more akin to a benchrest target session that anything else.
And I have no problem with that; the destruction of vermin is a worthy occupation in and of itself, and dead is dead, no matter if the quarry was shot with a pellet gun at 5 meters or a 6.5-284 at 1000.
Shooting at deer or other larger species at ranges beyond which the shooter can't have a more than reasonable expectation of a clean kill is something that I'd hope no hunter with any sort of respect for the quarry would consider.
Unless the shooter has access to firepower that delivers the same overwhelming impact to a deer as a high velocity .30 calibre rifle bullet does to a rabbit, it's a wholely different proposition; a tank or artillery piece, perhaps?
Of course, deer aren't 'vermin' in the normal sense of the word, so their 'destruction' isn't (or isn't supposed to be) the point of hunting them in the first place.
(and no, I wouldn't condone shooting deer with artillery either!)0 -
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