BJJ/ Sub Wrestling - your "go to" moves

Lazer Smart

I thought i'd start a thread on the strategy side of the bjj game. When you step on to the mat in training, have you already decided what techniques you'll use and from what position i.e your "go to" moves?

Do you always know what sequence you'll attack when your opp is in your guard, when you have your opp in side control? Do you have a set sequence for passing the guard and specific passes you'll use (i.e more detailed than just open guard, control legs, control hips etc)?

When i started training bjj (about 1.5 years ago) i'd always just roll and see what happens. I found that when using the I-method for training rather than just drilling individual techniques my rolling progressed steadily and i never needed to keep a notebook of techniques or put much thought into what escapes i needed to work on etc. These things were just happening naturally. There were roadblocks though especially when rolling with bigger, stronger opponents i felt "stuck" and that i should have a strategy when i come up against these guys.

Do you keep a notebook of things you need to work/ things that are working well? What is your general approach to constantly improving your game?

spiral

get on top



Americana

Scramble

I have a vague concept of what I should be trying to achieve in different positions, but can't say that I'm technically good enough or meticulous enough to have SOPs for each one. There are definitley a couple of takedowns and submissions which I find are more high-percentile for me.

I sometimes rationalise this as being OK, telling myself that at least they're working for me and that successful competition judoka sometimes only have one or two throws they use all the time, but the reality is I guess you could also say that over-reliance on the same subs makes me predictable and limited.

(A good example being that sometimes I will find myself rolling with someone who happens to have unusually good defence against the subs that I use frequently. I'm then forced to try something else which I can barely remember how to set up)

Andrew H

I've been doing BJJ for a year and half or so as well and im still reacting off what ever other people feed me when rolling, i have a few moves that i like to use but i've found recently that the others in the club have learned what i lke to do so im finding it harder to catch them.

So i've had to introduce new techniques to adapt and then to blend them with older (basic) stuff i know. I guess that this is the way to start and then hopefully as i progress i'll be able to attack in combinations and then when rolling set up the opponent for techniques id like to use. But at the moment im still reacting.

Andy

mark.leonard

It depends what the other guy does

Dragan

mark.leonard wrote: »

It depends what the other guy does

Pretty much. I have certain things that i know i am good at. Unless the person i am rolling with is vastly more experienced that me i will normally have the advantage of positioning the will normally end up where i want to be, usually side control tbh.

I have good success with keeping position and controlling from here, have one or two go to subs that i can finish it off with and if worst comes to worst i can normally force/trick them out in an avenue that allows me to take the back.

The majority of the time though i am simply trying to survive. Not exactly at it very long yet.

Armbars tend to present themselves with an odd regularity.

dlofnep

Tapping is my go-to move.

ch252

dlofnep wrote: »

Tapping is my go-to move.

Works every time!:D

I like absolutely anything from guard. But my go-to ones are any form of leglock. Jonesey gives out to me though so I don't do them anymore!!!


So Ill say triangle!

Nothingcompares

In their guard? Pass their guard. Get side control. Get knee on belly. Go for armbar. Stay on top. Get mount. Try isolate arm. Take their back. Attempt RNC. They escape.

They Get on top? Pretend you have calf cramp, leave mat. Return later.

The Shane

I find that moves go in and out of vogue. The club gets shown a move and it's popular and high percentage for a while, then everyone is wise to it and it drifts away. The baseball bat choke is so last year.

My own go to moves are arm drag, knee ride to triangle and at the moment Jim-choke.

Shane, The

Dragan

The Shane wrote: »

Jim-choke.

Shane, The

Could i get an explanation of this please dude?

mark.leonard

The Shane wrote: »

My own go to moves are arm drag, knee ride to triangle and at the moment Jim-choke.

Is that the Jim-o-tine? or a different one.

t-ha

Knee-ride to knee-bar.

Haven't gotten it to work yet... but I keep tryin'!

Dragan

t-ha wrote: »

Knee-ride to knee-bar.

Haven't gotten it to work yet... but I keep tryin'!

You forgot Kimura....or else thats just the one you kept getting me with!:pac:

RearNakedJim

mark.leonard wrote: »

Is that the Jim-o-tine? or a different one.

Jim Choke= marcelo garcia north-south choke/monson choke depending on arm position. (as taught by John Kavanagh to Jim)
Jim-O-tine= the off to the side guillotine that i was using for about 3 years. (Not anymore thanks to John Kavanagh showing everyone the escape, just cause gunni was escaping guillotines)

Re: go to moves and the acknowledgements
From bottom:
Jim sweep in my guard (John Kavanagh and Clive)
Arm drag to back(John Kavanagh and The Shane)
From top:
outside knee to switch hips pass (John Kavanagh)
Double unders pass. (John Kavanagh)
Jim Choke (John Kavanagh)
Jim-o-tine (John Frankle and John Kavanagh)
Triangle from kneeride (The Shane)

my most important "move" taking and finishing from the back(John Kavanagh)
Kav is always saying that if you take the back the fight should be over and as such i have worked alot on finishing from here, and def think that my finishing RNC is my best go to move.
PS that has nothing to do with the boards handle.

Come to think of it i need some new go to moves only the jim choke is recent and thats about 9 months old already.

Better get down to SBG see what else i can steal from John and then wait till Clive and Shane call it the jim something.

mark.leonard

I hereby christen whatever you new move is going to be the Jimission. Finally I beat Clive and Shane to the punch on something

Clive

I don't go to my go to moves outside of competition, but at the moment I'm working on my Jim choke from North South, guillotine, kimura and armbar from guard, and my guillotine guard pass which is coming along.

I'm also working on my shoot and driving leg sweep.

Tim_Murphy

you can't beat the trusty triangle to get you out of anykind of trouble. I'm currently working on my triangle from cross sides bottom.
Edit: Oh the triangle when you have a person's back, don't know how I forgot that the first time.

scottydog

Allow opponent to acheive mount.....present him/her with a simple looking americana....defend by quickly pulling arm behind back....opponent will grab arm back to finish easy submission only to be confronted by glove puppet on said hand:D..whilst he/she is momentarily transfixed by antics of sooty/sweep....sneak to the back and hit opponent with nearest kettlebell:D..anyway this is what i am going to try on the fecker who tore my right leg apart three weeks ago!:mad::mad:

colinlaird000

I seem to prefer the fall over and get squashed at the minute.

dunkamania

Stupid Clive-o-tine