Banned from After Hours

TerrorFirmer

I feel it was totally inappropriate.

My post, which was not inflammatory or negative, merely stating public facts, was deleted. It related to drug abuse which led to death.

I was banned.

Sorry, but I seriously don't think this is fair - Katy French dies and is lambasted across boards, boards.ie features in the tabloids over the levels of abuse, which was generally permitted, and I post hoping to open peoples eyes to drug abuse and find myself banned??

Here was my reasoning for posting in the thread 'Logic1', as posted in AH.

Well done lads for displaying for all the level of your immaturity.

We should all learn from the death of an individual, not try and sweep it under the carpet.

As individuals and collectively as people we learn from these things.

Stories like this firmly remind me never to try drugs of any kind.

If you feel that's negative and I'm a **** for hoping others react to the news in the same way......great.

Obviously from what you're saying I have some sort of warped personal agenda - safety of human beings is it, sorry if that makes me a ****.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

well I'm sorry that it makes you a **** too, but there it is.
that was bad form and you know it. logic1 was a friend of many people on this site.

KTRIC

You were banned for that ????


This site has really gone to the dogs :rolleyes:

Jack Sheehan

<snip> oops I dont understand the situation at all. Sorry.

TerrorFirmer

Jack Sheehan wrote: »

<snip> oops I dont understand the situation at all. Sorry.

Logic1 died last year, and was a well known and popular member of boards. It has emerged recently, public information, that he died of drug abuse. I posted this info, with a link to the independant website, that detailed the case.

I was hoping to remind people that drugs, basically, are bad.

I was banned and called a ****.

monkeyfudge

Seeing as you posted a feedback thread about 5 seconds after being banned I'm guessing you didn't try and resolve this via PM first....

FruitLover

You posted purely to stir sh1te. You should know damn well that the death of a friend of several people on this site would be a touchy subject and not one to mix with your narrow views. Niall was 29 years old when he died. He (and the rest of us) don't need you as our moral sentinel. What he did was his choice, and you're lucky he's not around to give you the roasting he no doubt would have for your condescending attitude.

There's no way in hell you're going to win this one mate.

TerrorFirmer

Princess Innocent Knickers wrote: »

well I'm sorry that it makes you a **** too, but there it is.
that was bad form and you know it. logic1 was a friend of many people on this site.

Katy French had many friends too. Didn't stop thousands of insults being permitted. I merely posted up facts - I did not comment on the individual, only to state that they were a good person.

Talk about biased, are you trying to say that people should at least learn from this senseless death?

If you're saying it should be swept under the carpet, you're immature beyond belief. People learn from others mistakes - many important charities, foundations, etc are set up by those who have lost loved ones/friends to drugs and other substance abuse - they want others to benefit from those who fell at such hurdles.

I'm merely trying to make people aware of the reality of drugs.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

oh, he pm'd me. I'm just having none of it. I knew logic1, not very well but I spent a few weeks with him on a holiday. if someone wants to over rule me, that's fine but I'm sure as hell not unbanning him.

Karoma

Links (As the OP forgot):
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055123743&page=4 from post #137 onward.


I really have mixed feelings on this:
- I can see where TerrorFirmer's coming from and what he was aiming for and I do think we're being a bit hypocritical.
-v-
- This was highly likely to strike a raw nerve with too many boardsies.

Perhaps he should have been told to back off away from the topic, I don't see a reason to ban TerrorFirmer unless he insisted on upsetting the crowd.

Silverfish

People are aware of the reality of drugs. The only people that aren't mustn't leave the house, and then how would they get drugs.

They're aware, and they do them anyway. Dragging up this thread to do a little 'I told you so' dance over it was ****ty.

Boston

His family and friends read that thread you tool. You don't do drugs, well done, I don't either, that doesn't give you the right to piss all over a dead man and his family in an attempt to make some uncaring, unthinking retarded point. Wow look at you, you're great. oh and of course it makes a different that we knew him, its personal. You'd understand if you weren't a moron.

Gone West

I was banned quite rightly for calling him a cúnt and asking for my post and his posts, and all quotes inbetween to be taken down out of respect.

When an admin or an smod sees this thread it will probably be locked or deleted in any case, because those people have respect.

It shows a total lack of class and shows the poster to be completely tactless.

Jack Sheehan

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Logic1 died last year, and was a well known and popular member of boards. It has emerged recently, public information, that he died of drug abuse. I posted this info, with a link to the independant website, that detailed the case.

I was hoping to remind people that drugs, basically, are bad.

I was banned and called a ****.

Ohh man thats low. I'm not surprised you were banned. Still I didnt know the poor guy so its not up to me to judge you.

monkeyfudge

All seems a bit like Westboro Baptist Church tactics to me.

FruitLover

Here's a quick way to tell whether posting that was right or wrong, TerrorFirmer:

If you had the opportunity to go back in time, and turn up at his funeral and hand out anti-drug literature, give out about the dangers of drugs etc, basically say 'I told you so' in front of his family and friends, would you do it?

That's not far off what you did today.

TerrorFirmer

I won't back down from this either, I'm not trying to win a ****ing battle. I'm not disrespecting his death either, for those of you implying I'm somehow parading this as a moral victory over drugs I'm not - I talked to logic a few times myself and had a few laughs, great guy - whether or not he did drugs, that's not relevant.

What is relevant that he died, and he died from avoidable causes - people can learn from this mistake. Again, that's where many foundations and charities come from. Don't sweep this under the carpet, people need to know this to avoid falling into similar situations or traps.

There were threads on various drug related threads here all the time, and I won't pretend one of them didn't happen because we knew him, and some of us knew him on a very personal level - if anything, it's more important, because it makes people realize that this ridiculous notion of drugs users 'deserving' what they get is ridiculous - drug use is so common in Ireland, it's every walk of life rife with them.

People need to know, take warning, and in a situation like this where people can relate a little better, it makes all the difference.

Don't make this personal, because it's about so much more then the individual in question, it's about warning, and subsequently helping others.

nesf

It was a condolences thread for a boardsie. You should have had enough cop on to keep your soapboxing anti-drug crap out of it.

Really, time and place. Who gives a **** if he took drugs or not, that thread should have been left alone.

Jimbo

Katy French was a public figure and a role model and hence her death was subject to public discussion/speculation.

This is a completely different kettle of fish. You cannot use the tragic death of a private man for you own vendetta. Just because it was noted in the papers he died of misadventure does not give you the right to drag his name through the mud. Your causing unnessary grief to his family and friends. Undefensible, in fairness

Phlann

I don't think there was anything wrong with posting the link, but the moralising that accompanied it was a little ill-judged imo. I get that your intentions weren't disrespectful but you should have known that people would react badly to it.

That said, getting banned over it seems pretty darn harsh. Deleting the relevant posts would have sufficed.

faceman

You should really just drop it terrorfirmer before it gets any worse. I know what you are trying to say, but its so the wrong way to go about it.

TerrorFirmer

FruitLover wrote: »

Here's a quick way to tell whether posting that was right or wrong, TerrorFirmer:

If you had the opportunity to go back in time, and turn up at his funeral and hand out anti-drug literature, give out about the dangers of drugs etc, basically say 'I told you so' in front of his family and friends, would you do it?

That's not far off what you did today.

If someone in your family died from an avoidable cause, would you hope to persuade others to avoid the same situation or pretend it didn't happen?

You're looking at this from the wrong viewpoint.

Boston

Get this through your head you retard, its not your choice to hold him up as an example to all about the dangers of anything, its his families. He wasn't in the public eye or a role model to anyone. You're just taking advantage of a situation to preach your own morality. I don't know why I'm talking to someone too stupid to see the distinctions here.

Kavinsky

Maybe start a new thread?

To the mods: I didn't realise that was a condolences thread, feel free to delete my post about lignocaine - it's the very last post on the thread.

Jimbo

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

If someone in your family died from an avoidable cause, would you hope to persuade others to avoid the same situation or pretend it didn't happen?

You're looking at this from the wrong viewpoint.

Not your family though is it. Therefore, not your choice

R0ot

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

If someone in your family died from an avoidable cause, would you hope to persuade others to avoid the same situation or pretend it didn't happen?

You're looking at this from the wrong viewpoint.

Yes but there is a time and ****ing place for that kind of thing and a memorial thread is not one of them! Have a bit of cop on next time you hit the reply button for christ sake.

TerrorFirmer

R0ot wrote: »

Yes but there is a time and ****ing place for that kind of thing and a memorial thread is not one of them! Have a bit of cop on next time you hit the reply button for christ sake.

I will admit actually that was actually a bad call, I realize now I should have posted in one of the ongoing drug threads - I apologies for that, that was a genuine mistake.

Kintarō Hattori

Certainly seems to be an over-the-top banning. Princess Snickers could have deleted the comments and told TerrorFirmer not to post again in the thread.

Agamemnon

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I won't back down from this either, I'm not trying to win a ****ing battle. I'm not disrespecting his death either, for those of you implying I'm somehow parading this as a moral victory over drugs I'm not - I talked to logic a few times myself and had a few laughs, great guy - whether or not he did drugs, that's not relevant.

What is relevant that he died, and he died from avoidable causes - people can learn from this mistake. Again, that's where many foundations and charities come from. Don't sweep this under the carpet, people need to know this to avoid falling into similar situations or traps.

There were threads on various drug related threads here all the time, and I won't pretend one of them didn't happen because we knew him, and some of us knew him on a very personal level - if anything, it's more important, because it makes people realize that this ridiculous notion of drugs users 'deserving' what they get is ridiculous - drug use is so common in Ireland, it's every walk of life rife with them.

People need to know, take warning, and in a situation like this where people can relate a little better, it makes all the difference.

Don't make this personal, because it's about so much more then the individual in question, it's about warning, and subsequently helping others.

Do you honestly believe that people are clueless about the risks of taking drugs? Did you seriously believe your post was going to wake everyone up? Even if you were sincere and well-meaning in what you said, it was a colossally insensitive mistake to make. Banging on about Katie French is irrelevant as well - they guy you were talking about was a friend to many people here and you had to know it would be taken personally.

Karoma

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I will admit actually that was actually a bad call, I realize now I should have posted in one of the ongoing drug threads - I apologies for that, that was a genuine mistake.

Dragging it down to such a personal level in any thread is likely to get people's backs up, but posting it in a thread that's a dedication to the memory of a poster...the thread's like a tombstone - your posting is akin to pissing on it.
Thank you for understanding, but sadly the damage is done. The thread is locked now. Would you agree to the posts being deleted as so many others would like?

nesf

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I will admit actually that was actually a bad call, I realize now I should have posted in one of the ongoing drug threads - I apologies for that, that was a genuine mistake.

Posted about a dead boards member in a drugs thread just to highlight something as inane as "look Drugs can kill you!"?

faceman

Karoma wrote: »

Thank you for understanding, but sadly the damage is done. The thread is locked now. Would you agree to the posts being deleted as so many others would like?

Not to appear to be "back seat modding" but i dont really think his permission should be necessary in a case like this.

FruitLover

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

What is relevant that he died, and he died from avoidable causes - people can learn from this mistake.

This is getting to be a tangential discussion, but for every one person that dies from cocaine abuse, thousands enjoy it and live. Alcohol and dangerous driving are far bigger killers than cocaine, but I don't see you campaigning about these for some reason.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

If someone in your family died from an avoidable cause, would you hope to persuade others to avoid the same situation or pretend it didn't happen?

a) I don't tell adults what to do with their lives. It's not my place, and it's not yours
b) If I did, I sure as hell would not pick a memorial as a vehicle for it. That's indefensibly tasteless

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Certainly seems to be an over-the-top banning. Princess Snickers could have deleted the comments and told TerrorFirmer not to post again in the thread.

I did, but he didn't.

Kintarō Hattori

FruitLover wrote: »

This is getting to be a tangential discussion, but for every one person that dies from cocaine abuse, thousands enjoy it and live. Alcohol and dangerous driving are far bigger killers than cocaine, but I don't see you campaigning about these for some reason.

Perhaps because they aren't anywhere near as dangerous. Perhaps because they are regulated and legal unlike cocaine.

Princess Innocent Knickers wrote: »

I did, but he didn't.

I see.

TerrorFirmer

nesf wrote: »

Posted about a dead boards member in a drugs thread just to highlight something as inane as "look Drugs can kill you!"?

Look nesf, if 2000 people called me a ****, and even a single person said 'Actually, ****, I'm not going to try what I was thinking of trying' then it's worth it.

We both know that stories about individuals from around the country, and stories of a personally known individual dying strike different chords - yes, some bad, inevitably, and are far more effective in relaying messages.

Whatever way you want to look at it, this isn't a simple 'No to drugs' message, it's using a medium that actually speaks to people in a far more effective way then an unknown case does.

R0ot

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I will admit actually that was actually a bad call, I realize now I should have posted in one of the ongoing drug threads - I apologies for that, that was a genuine mistake.

Sorry mate but mistakes are stuff like stubbing your toe or installing windows ME, not posting about 'how drugs are bad m'kay' in a memorial thread.

Terry

Listen, I'm the AH mod who usually waffles on about the dangers of drugs. However, your post was completely uncalled for.
There was no conclusive proof that his death was caused by illegal drugs and the paper in question, in my opinion, was just going for sensationalism with that headline.

As for the comparison with Katy French, she was a public figure, the papers always over-react and the Celeb and Showbiz mod (Stargal) had to put up with a lot of crap during that time and deleted lots of nasty posts in that forum.

As for Boston and FuzzyLogic, your posts were also uncalled for.
There were three mods looking at that thread and we were dealing with the situation.
All three of you were rightly banned.

nesf

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Look nesf, if 2000 people called me a ****, and even a single person said 'Actually, ****, I'm not going to try what I was thinking of trying' then it's worth it.

Saving the world one dumb post at a time are we? You can get across the drugs kill message without dragging in the memory of a guy who used to post here. It's unnecessary and more importantly disrespectful and hurtful to both his friends and family who post on here.

FruitLover

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Perhaps because they aren't anywhere near as dangerous.

I'm willing to bet that drinking, smoking and dangerous driving kill more people per year than taking cocaine. And you say they're not anywhere near as dangerous?

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Perhaps because they are regulated and legal unlike cocaine.

What's more important: whether something is regulated and legal, or whether it kills people?

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Look nesf, if 2000 people called me a ****, and even a single person said 'Actually, ****, I'm not going to try what I was thinking of trying' then it's worth it.

Fair enough (not that I believe that's realistic), but you shouldn't have written the message in our friend's ashes.

Kintarō Hattori

FruitLover wrote: »

I'm willing to bet that drinking, smoking and driving kill more people per year than taking cocaine. And you say they're not anywhere near as dangerous?



What's more important: whether something is regulated and legal, or whether it kills people?

God but you're speaking a load of claptrap. If you want we can debate this but after the comments above you're not exactly off to a flying start.

Boston

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Look nesf, if 2000 people called me a ****, and even a single person said 'Actually, ****, I'm not going to try what I was thinking of trying' then it's worth it.

It must be great be be so self righteous, it pretty much excuses any reprehensible behavior.

Terry wrote: »

As for Boston and FuzzyLogic, your posts were also uncalled for.
There were three mods looking at that thread and we were dealing with the situation.
All three of you were rightly banned.

You made a decision to allow the post to stand, your opinions means about zero to me. I really couldn't care about being banned from a forum and I'd post it again even if it meant being site banned.

TerrorFirmer

nesf wrote: »

Saving the world one dumb post at a time are we? You can get across the drugs kill message without dragging in the memory of a guy who used to post here. It's unnecessary and more importantly disrespectful and hurtful to both his friends and family who post on here.

A) Someone tell yous 'You know, people die from drugs'.

Someone tells you 'Your friend died from drugs'.

Which is a little more effective in communicating the dangers of drugs to you?

Boston, your opinion never meant anything to me, your only consistent trait is resorting to snide, elementary and childish insults/snipes when something or someone disagrees with your viewpoint.

c0rk3r

I would tell that person to STFU and that i could make my own decisions.

nesf

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

A) Someone tell yous 'You know, people die from drugs'.

Someone tells you 'Your friend died from drugs'.

Which is a little more effective in communicating the dangers of drugs to you?

Honestly, if you came up to me after one of my friends died and told me that, I'd communicate the dangers of self-righteous soapboxing to you.

Terry

FruitLover wrote: »

I'm willing to bet that drinking, smoking and dangerous driving kill more people per year than taking cocaine. And you say they're not anywhere near as dangerous?

Numbers.

Boston wrote: »

You made a decision to allow the post to stand, your opinions means about zero to me. I really couldn't care about being banned from a forum and I'd post it again even if it meant being site banned.

I asked for proof.
As soon as I saw the so-called proof, I decried it.
I'd apologise for my modding decisions not being up to your standard, but I wouldn't really mean it.

TerrorFirmer

I also would like to apologies profusely for posting in the particular thread I did - I wasn't thinking that one through, but for me this isn't a personal battle, I have no problem dropping on my knees and screaming my being wrong for all to hear - it's not about being right and wrong, appropriate or inappropriate, it's about conveying a message to those that use a situation like this to actually listen rather then treat it as yet another generic, faceless death instead of a tragedy. We're all guilty of that at times.

So I'm sorry for that, it was an insult to his friends, family and to the person himself - a great person by all accounts and I would like to reiterate that I have no ill feeling towards the person in question or anyone in a similar situation, I merely hope that others can learn from the sad mistakes.

Marcus.Aurelius

The offending posts were there about 15 mins ago, now they're gone, I assume its all taken care of.

I would expect Terrorfirmer has learned his lesson, a little less of the snipey comments would make for more pleasant reading. Issue resolved?

Boston

I'm directly calling you a cnut. Theres no snide comment or retort, its as clear as I can make it. You're like those people who traumatise children with images of aborted fetuses and say "Its ok If it stops one abortion".

Marcus.Aurelius

Boston wrote: »

You're like those people who traumatise children with images of aborted feces and say "Its ok If it stops one abortion".

I didn't know you could abort faeces. I usually let them go full-term before I let them out.

Kintarō Hattori

Boston wrote: »

I'm directly calling you a cnut. Theres no snide comment or retort, its as clear as I can make it. You're like those people who traumatise children with images of aborted feces and say "Its ok If it stops one abortion".

God you're an awful eejit.