The Rutland Centre (Anyone know anything about this place)

LegacyUser

A person I know has just been refused from the Rutland Centre on the grounds that she is pregnant. She is a heavy cocaine and alcohal user. Surely being pregnant is a good reason for her to get help with her problems. Does anybody know anything about this place and why they would do this?

I kind of helped her get involved with the place. I thought a stint away from the creeps she was hanging around with would help her with her problems. I feel really bad now that it has not panned out and I feel a bit useless. Has anyone any other suggestions of where she can go from here? She has tried one to one councilling before and it did not work, everyone who cares about her is at their wits end.

Please do not say she has to want the help etc etc, I know it well, I have been here before. I just need some practical advice, beacause I feel sick to my stomach right now and completely powerless. At least when she was waiting for her assessment it felt like something was being done. Now I am completely at sea, please help.

Nevyn

She should talk to her dr and the maternity hospital that she is registered with.

LegacyUser

Thaedydal wrote: »

She should talk to her dr and the maternity hospital that she is registered with.

Done and done and not much help tbh.

paperclip2

I think the Rutland only deal with aftercare and you have to be off the drugs / alcohol before you can attend. Thas as much as i know about them. You could try the Merchants Quay project. They deal with homeless people but might be able to refer you to a suitable centre. Good luck OP.

milod

The Rutland is a rehabilitation centre and don't do de-tox. You have to be off drugs. Neither are they equipped to deal with the possible medical issues around pregnancy. If the GP is no use, then change to another. The issue also needs to be discussed with the maternity hospital - they'll end up dealing with a possibly damaged and dependent child in a few months.

LegacyUser

The Rutland centre is known as one of the best recovery places in ireland,i think they must have had good reason not to except her because they are very professional.

I wouldnt suggest merchants quay but there might be somewhere better which deals with cocaine addiction.

Does she definatly want to keep the baby and head down a pregnancy where she is on drugs.

Cura might be a better help ive no direct experience myself though with the place

http://www.cura.ie/

dealing with a loved one and addiction is not easy,you could try get some support with it yourself with a councellor. Try not to feel very responsible for her we all have a journey we are on in thjis life time and this is hers as sad as it is. Ive been through it with a family member with heroin and thank god he went to the rutland and is now doing amazingly well-he was homeless and begging on the streets now he is an addiction worker and just bought his own apt in town,people can come back but they need to hit their rock bottom first.

Bricriu

What about Cuan Mhuire (addiction rehab. centre) in Athy. Co. Kildare (google 'Cuan Mhuire' to find their site).

board om

Bricriu wrote: »

What about Cuan Mhuire (addiction rehab. centre) in Athy. Co. Kildare (google 'Cuan Mhuire' to find their site).

with cuan mhuire you are expected to work on things like gardening and crafts on a daily basis and it is quite a long programme (5 months if i remember correctly). so i dont know if they would be set up for pregnant women.

OP, you are going to find it quite difficult to find somewhere that will take in someone who is pregnant. you see, a lot of these centres only actually offer a facility for addicts once they have already detoxed. in other words the patients would be expected to detox somewhere else and then they would go to one of these centres to relax, do councilling, and basically sort themselves out for re-entering the world addiction free.

personally i would recomend looking abroad. there are places in the UK that are a lot better equipped to deal with matters like this.

all the best

beth-lou

My brother was in the Rutland centre twice. Both times he went in there because of outside pressure and not off his own bat. Both times he relapsed and now he is homeless. The other day got a phone call to tell me he is now shooting up heroin. The first time he went in was for drugs, ecstacy mainly, but he was only really getting started in his addictions and went in there to avoid a prision sentence for robbing bags at his friends sisters wedding.

The second time he went in was because he had exhausted all other avenues and saw it as a way of getting back some self respect within the family and he was by this stage a chronic alchoholic and cocaine addict. I went to the family counselling session, bared my soul to 14 strangers to try to help him to get better. Offered him a place to stay, friendship, a shoulder to lean on etc. He told me what I wanted to hear. A few days after finishing he was back drinking and soon after that was on the streets. We have tried everything to help him, but it has to come from him. He's still not ready, maybe he never will be.

Maybe the Rutland feel that your friend isn't ready, maybe they don't want the responsibility of a pregnant person, which is understandable, although there should be something else out there for women and unborn children to help them to get better or out of the cycle of addiction. I don't know what to say to you. It is indeed heartbreaking to have someone close to you lost to drink or drugs. I know the feeling of powerlessness. There isn't much that you can do I'm afraid other than get on to the merchants quay project and see what they suggest. Unfortunately our government still isn't taking the drug problem in this country seriously. Although the government can't stop an addict wanting what it is they crave, but they certainly could and should provide the tools for them to stop when they finally reach the point where they want to.

Sorry I'm no help, I'm at a loss myself. Im watching my brother slowly kill himself and there is nothing I can do to stop him. He doesn't want to yet. I hope you can get some help for your friend, I hope she is ok. And you are doing a brilliant job in looking out for her. Best of luck and stay strong. xxx

JuliusCaesar

This might be of use to you - it's from Irishhealth.com

LegacyUser

Thanks Beth Lou. In a strage way it kind of makes me feel better to hear their are other people out there going through the same ridiculous cycles. Hope your brother can get through it, he is very lucky to have someone who still cares about him.

Thanks Boards Om I never thought about the UK, i will start googling now. I worry that it is too late though, the rutland knocking her back seems to have put her off seeking more help.

She has spent the last two weeks with somebody who cares about her and has not touched anything. She says she is off everything this time and she has changed, but this just feels like dejavu for me. So she is off home today and I just know those cockroaches are going to be back at her door in no time. If it was just her I would offer help but not be so involved (as I have been involved with other addicts and in my heart I know that there is very little you can do if someone does not want your help) but she is going back there with her young son who I am related to and care for a great deal. I am sick with worry, cant sleep at night, cant concentrate during the day and am actually shaking right now as I am typing.

Thank you everyone for your replies.

LegacyUser

I really do feel for you ,thats a terrible situation to be in,for herand also you.My brothers friend was in a similar situation and I spent such a long time tyring to find him help,actually about three people I tried to help,and finally after nearly giving up I found a site www.life-treatment.com,these people were so so helpful,please contact them a.s.a.p

LegacyUser

From what I know, the state only treat coke addiction with reiki, massage and otther holistic things. Look up CAP (Community Action/Addiction Project, Marylebone Rd, D8), they have a donation only holistic lady and she's good. Also, community outreach (I think that's what they're called) offer family support officer for supporters and the addict.

I don't know if it's the same for booze and coke but doctors advise continuing smoking after a certain point as it would be too much of a shock for the phoetus to give up with the mother. That could be why Rutland, etc. turned her away.
I hoe your friend can do this. Well one for helping.