Britain's Most Active Terrorists

digitally-yours

Just read the following story on sky news.I think its just complete rubbish
and no truth in it. Do you agree ?

just want to see what's the general option here.

Dissident Irish republicans are more active than any other terrorist group in the UK, according to the latest intelligence service surveillance

MI5 data revealed that organisations such as the Real IRA and the Continuity IRA currently posed a greater danger than Islamic extremists, according to The Guardian.


Security sources said:

o 80 hardcore dissidents may be plotting terrorist attacks.
o The Real IRA and Continuity IRA's short-term goal is to kill a Catholic police officer in the hope of deterring young Catholics and nationalists from joining the PSNI.
o Dissidents' targets have also recently extended to prison officers.
o Police numbers are so stretched that officers with anti-terrorist experience are being transferred from Greater Belfast - once the crucible of the Troubles - to rural areas.

Linky

Steyr

To be honest when you look at what's happened up there it's not that hard to believe is it. The peace process will put them out of business so then wont like that so they will try to disrupt it.

Ponster

Whatever about the 5 points in the OP, the quote

Dissident Irish republicans are more active than any other terrorist group in the UK...

seems perfectly normal to me.

Fratton Fred

I don't see how people can agree or disagree to be honest.

MI5 probably know a lot more about this sort of thing than the rest of us do.

Eoin

Maybe it just means that Republican terrorists have a much better chance of carrying out more than one mission.

daveharnett

I'd certainly believe that they are "more active than any other terrorist group".
However, at the moment i'd say that they are more active in the diesel washing business than the terror business. More money in it.

Fratton Fred

daveharnett wrote: »

I'd certainly believe that they are "more active than any other terrorist group".
However, at the moment i'd say that they are more active in the diesel washing business than the terror business. More money in it.

Dodgy DVDs as well apparantly.

robinph

Seems perfectly belivable to me.

Just proves that "they" are not all out to get us though. "They" being the other terrorists that the media keep on warning us to be terrified about.

daveharnett

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Dodgy DVDs as well apparantly.

So those who try to stop bittorrent are actually supporting terrorists?

Nice.

Dyr

I'd trust MI5/MI6 on this one, they've been promoting terrorism for long enough to know who's hot and who's not. :pac:

jester77

Didn't one of the dissident Republican groups announce last February that their ceasefire was over. They are probably active now and busy recruiting.

Dyr

recruiting what? informers? :pac:

the_syco

Bullsh|t. Seeing how much MI5 seems to know about Al Queda, and how many times they've stopped a bus/train load of them, it would seem that they know the 'RA dissidents are active, cos they can keep tabs on them. Al Queda, on the other hand, usually only get found when they attack.

Meh. CIRA and RIRA are pure scum. I can say this as a true rupublican. They are attacking the defenseless, the unarmed, and adding more civilan targets as the "enemy". Yeah, real big, lads:rolleyes: They failed to kill a bobby, so they decided to list some civil servants as "legit targets"? At least the 'RA only targeted the military & royalty.

Eoin

the_syco wrote: »

Al Queda, on the other hand, usually only get found when they attack.

I very much doubt that's the case at all. There are massive resources being put into surveillance and monitoring these people by the met.

marco murphy

Lol. Sky News, reliable.

eoin_s wrote: »

Maybe it just means that Republican terrorists have a much better chance of carrying out more than one mission.

I doubt it, I reckon militant Republicans would get a one off and not be able to sustain anything.

the_syco wrote: »

Meh. CIRA and RIRA are pure scum. I can say this as a true rupublican. They are attacking the defenseless, the unarmed, and adding more civilan targets as the "enemy". Yeah, real big, lads:rolleyes: They failed to kill a bobby, so they decided to list some civil servants as "legit targets"? At least the 'RA only targeted the military & royalty.

40% of the Six Counties I believe are legitimate targets. I don't think theres anything to worry about, there hasn't been anything significant carried out by the conto semi-erectus species.

Anyway, I reckon MI5 are more active terrorists than all of them put together

Eoin

Poblachtach wrote: »

I doubt it, I reckon militant Republicans would get a one off and not be able to sustain anything.

I was just making a (crap) joke based on most the Islamic terrorists carrying out suicide bomb attacks.

Fratton Fred

the_syco wrote: »

Bullsh|t. Seeing how much MI5 seems to know about Al Queda, and how many times they've stopped a bus/train load of them, it would seem that they know the 'RA dissidents are active, cos they can keep tabs on them. Al Queda, on the other hand, usually only get found when they attack.

there is a group of guys just been sentenced for a plot to create chemical bombs, they got caught. there was also a guy who had a massive drum of fertiliser in a lock up waiting to be turned into a bomb and he got put away. Considering there has only been one succesfull attack by Al Qeada in Britian, i'd say MI5 are doing a pretty good job.

the_syco wrote: »

Meh. CIRA and RIRA are pure scum. I can say this as a true rupublican. They are attacking the defenseless, the unarmed, and adding more civilan targets as the "enemy". Yeah, real big, lads:rolleyes: They failed to kill a bobby, so they decided to list some civil servants as "legit targets"? At least the 'RA only targeted the military & royalty.

so what's Warrington then? a major military base or the regular haunt of the Royal family doing their christmas shopping?

Come to think of it, I am working in Bishopsgate this week, can't see any army bases (Or Royalty) around here.

marco murphy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

so what's Warrington then? a major military base or the regular haunt of the Royal family doing their christmas shopping?

Come to think of it, I am working in Bishopsgate this week, can't see any army bases (Or Royalty) around here.

Warrington was wrong, a mistake. As can be expected in every conflict.
You cannot compare the IRA to Al Qieda.

Jack Sheehan

The title of this thread seems like a bizzarre reality TV Programme.

'Tonight on Britain's most Active Terrorists-Which bomb is right for you?'

Fratton Fred

Poblachtach wrote: »

Warrington was wrong, a mistake. As can be expected in every conflict.
You cannot compare the IRA to Al Qieda.

I wasn't

Run_to_da_hills

digitally-yours wrote: »

Just read the following story on sky news.I think its just complete rubbish
and no truth in it. Do you agree ?

just want to see what's the general option here.





Linky

Utter rubbish and scare mongering on behalf of the home office and M15 to justify the introduction of RFID electronic passport control between UK and Ireland.

Dinter

This is British intelligence justifying it's expansion in Northern Ireland.

They're trying to explain why there was a need for the massive spy base in Palace Barracks at a time when terrorist groups were apparently disbanding.

It's just pulling the wool over tax payers eyes by talking up the "threat" of terrorism.

Fratton Fred

Dinter wrote: »

This is British intelligence justifying it's expansion in Northern Ireland.

They're trying to explain why there was a need for the massive spy base in Palace Barracks at a time when terrorist groups were apparently disbanding.

It's just pulling the wool over tax payers eyes by talking up the "threat" of terrorism.

I'm sure it is.

I can see all the James Bond types sitting there panicing that they won't be able to justify moving to Northern Ireland.:D

Dinter

Em, they might now money is getting tight from the exchequer for their black budgets. An expansion during a peace process is quite hard to justify.

Fratton Fred

Dinter wrote: »

Em, they might now money is getting tight from the exchequer for their black budgets. An expansion during a peace process is quite hard to justify.

You are presuming MI5 only look at Irish dissidents. the British government has been moving civil service jobs out of London for ages, Palace Barracks is more to do with that than a few nutters who haven't realised what century this is.

Dinter

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You are presuming MI5 only look at Irish dissidents. the British government has been moving civil service jobs out of London for ages, Palace Barracks is more to do with that than a few nutters who haven't realised what century this is.

No I'm not really.

Palace barracks is an expansion of MI5 not just shuffling a few heads off to Norn' Ireland from Thames house. I've read the press releases too about how it's to impact nation wide but I can't see how that justifies mirroring of services? Also apparently MI5 is to take direct supervision of the province.

It's laughable to suggest that a verifiable decrease in terrorism in the province needs tighter scrutiny.

This is about maintaining jobs for the boys by playing on people's fears. Pretty much what MI5 has done since it's inception.

gurramok

So this is about British terrorists then?

PrivateEye

I well believe the dissidents are among the most active terrorists within 'the UK'.

I imagine the Animal Liberation Front would come top though, honestly the amount of activity the ALF and the sort engage in is unbelievable. It may be small scale, but it's classified terrorism none the less. People have died at the hands of their sort too (http://www.directaction.info) Between constant raids and property damage the UK police believe they're up to an awful lot. It sounds laughable, but they are up to a lot of activity. Fundamentalist types mostly.

Now, the dissidents.

Sinn Fein is in dissary in parts of the North. The old SS/RUC graffiti sometimes reads SF/RUC, and some people feel abandoned. This doesn't justify their campaigns, but explains where they get recruits from. SF is in government in what is a (legally) British state. This is the best recruiting tool RSF/CIRA or the Irps (IRSP/INLA) need.

They are up to a lot. If you read Saoirse online there's life in them Dinosaurs yet.

They failed to kill a bobby, so they decided to list some civil servants as "legit targets"? At least the 'RA only targeted the military & royalty.

There's a very good point in that post.
The Continuity IRA have yet to kill a member of the British Forces. Still, their fingerprints are all over Omagh.

Plenty of dead innocent sons and daughters, and a pregnant woman- for the Workers Republic? They can go to hell.

I reckon the Continuity IRA, the Real IRA, and the I Can't Believe Its Not Oglaigh na hÉireann are likely to all be up to their balls with informers, so them pulling anything off is unlikely. that does NOT mean they are not actively attempting actions but.

There was talk of 'Republican Unity' a while back, i.e the last few groups coming together. To me this meant 'Ah we've no members either, lets team up and make 7' but in reality I think I was very off the mark.

Bottle_of_Smoke

digitally-yours wrote: »

Just read the following story on sky news.I think its just complete rubbish
and no truth in it. Do you agree ?

just want to see what's the general option here.





Linky

Seems like bull at first but you have to remember that after 9/11 & 7/7 Islamic terror makes much better headlines given they attack civillians primarily.

The IRA had hundreds of members, what exactly do you expect guys with no qualifications & lived all their life dedicating themselves to the cause to do nowadays?

Not trying to sound like a provo myself, I'm a complete supporter of the GFA & bloody well glad the RIRA is full of touts

Bottle_of_Smoke

Wonder what side they put this guy on

Iranian in court on AK47 assault rifle charge


An Iranian-born PhD chemistry student was released on bail from the Magistrate's Court in Derry yesterday where he appeared charged with possessing an AK47 assault rifle, a magazine and four rounds of 7.62 ammunition.
Amir-Ali Esmaily, from Lisburn Road in Belfast, is alleged to have committed the offence between July 13 and July 18 of this year at a house his family owns at Bradley Park in Derry.

A detective sergeant from the PSNI's Major Investigations Team told Deputy District Judge James McFarland that police believed the defendant kept the rifle and ammunition on behalf of the Real IRA and that the defendant had links to dissident republicans.

A dozen armed police officers were on duty inside and outside the Bishop Street courthouse for yesterday's remand hearing.

The police witness said the defendant's houses at Lisburn Road and Bradley Park were searched by the police as a result of information they'd received. Two imitation firearms and an air rifle were found in the defendant's Belfast home and the assault rifle and loaded magazine, as well as an imitation firearm, were found in his Derry property.

"We suspect this assault rifle is linked to a Real IRA show of strength last March," he told the court. "We suspect this because we have compared photographs of that show of strength with this weapon. Four people are currently in custody in the Republic of Ireland in relation to the show of strength.

We believe this weapon was being held on behalf of the Real IRA and that it would have been used potentially for intimidation and in attacks", he said.

The detective sergeant said that, after he was arrested, the defendant denied, for the first forty-eight hours, any knowledge of the assault rifle which was found wrapped in plastic sheets in a boiler house in the garden of his Bradley Park home.

"He then made admissions in relation to the handling of the weapon", he said. "This man is trained in firearms, this man has contacts with dissident republicans", he added.

The police witness said the defendant held Irish and Iranian passports and that detectives involved in the case believed he had possession of the assault rifle for five days. He said he would have "strong concerns" about the defendant being granted any form of bail: "There are still other witnesses to be spoken to in relation to these matters.

Loaded magazine 'ready to go'

"We fear he might try to influence these witnesses or persons from the Real IRA might attempt to influence the witnesses on his behalf. The loaded magazine was ready to go and the weapon appears to be viable", he said.

Applying for bail, defence barrister Peter Coiley said the defendant had been interviewed fourteen times over six days in custody. He said the defendant was willing to surrender his passports and that the defendant's father, a wealthy businessman from Belfast, was willing to deposit a substantial cash surety.

Mr. Coiley said his client was born in Iran but lived most of his life in Northern Ireland. His father is Iranian and his mother comes from Derry. The barrister said other witnesses had corroborated the defendant's version of events to the police.

"There is nothing to suggest that he has links with members of dissident republican organisations and he has no explanation in relation to the rifle being found", he said.

The District Judge recalled the detective sergeant to the witness box and asked him if it was the defendant's claim that "someone left the rifle there?" The police officer said he believed that would be extremely unlikely.

"Weapons of this nature are of substantially high value and we do not believe that the Real IRA would simply leave it at the location where it was found", he said.

However, Mr. McFarland released the defendant on his own bail of £5,000 plus a surety of £100,000, £40,000 of which had to be deposited in court. He also ordered the defendant to surrender his passports and to reside at his father's Wellington Park home in Belfast until his next court appearance on August 14.

The District Judge also ordered the defendant to sign daily at Lisburn Road police station and to stay out of Derry city and county except when he's due to appear in court.




http://www.derryjournal.com/journal/Iranian-in-court-on-AK47.4325804.jp

Poccington

the_syco wrote: »

Bullsh|t. Seeing how much MI5 seems to know about Al Queda, and how many times they've stopped a bus/train load of them, it would seem that they know the 'RA dissidents are active, cos they can keep tabs on them. Al Queda, on the other hand, usually only get found when they attack.

Meh. CIRA and RIRA are pure scum. I can say this as a true rupublican. They are attacking the defenseless, the unarmed, and adding more civilan targets as the "enemy". Yeah, real big, lads:rolleyes: They failed to kill a bobby, so they decided to list some civil servants as "legit targets"? At least the 'RA only targeted the military & royalty.

Yeah cause Royals and members of the military aren't real people :rolleyes:

Poccington

Poblachtach wrote: »

Warrington was wrong, a mistake. As can be expected in every conflict.
You cannot compare the IRA to Al Qieda.

Why not?

Bottle_of_Smoke

Poccington wrote: »

Why not?

Al-Qaeda is an ideology, hence so many "al-qaeda attacks" where the bombers have no conenction to Bin Laden/Al-Zawihiri etc

PrivateEye

"We are seeking to incite the nation (As in the Islamic community) to rise up to liberate its land and to carry out jihad (holy war) for the sake of God." -Bin Laden, 1999.

The Americans claim if attacks in Iraq stop, they will get out. and yet Islamist groups in Iraq continue attacks. Therefore they're not really particulary bothered about the invasion from a political point of view, and see it (their eh....'resistance' (?) ) more as some bizarre sacrifice to 'God'.

The methods and ideoligies then are very, very different.

**bottle of smoke: As in '20 F'in 5 to 1, me gambling days are done' Pogues Bottle Of Smoke? If not you'll be confused.

beautiation

They should team up to go for a 32 county islam republic. Their slogan could be "Tiocfaidh ar shia law"

Bottle_of_Smoke

PrivateEye wrote: »

**bottle of smoke: As in '20 F'in 5 to 1, me gambling days are done' Pogues Bottle Of Smoke? If not you'll be confused.

The very one

gixerfixer

Sky news is about as reliable as a condom with a bullet hole through it:rolleyes:

RSF Cill Dara

the_syco wrote: »

Meh. CIRA and RIRA are pure scum. I can say this as a true rupublican. They are attacking the defenseless, the unarmed, and adding more civilan targets as the "enemy". Yeah, real big, lads:rolleyes: They failed to kill a bobby, so they decided to list some civil servants as "legit targets"? At least the 'RA only targeted the military & royalty.

you are in no way a republican, sure u cant even spell it ! when did anti GFA republicans target civilians?

Poccington

RSF Cill Dara wrote: »

you are in no way a republican, sure u cant even spell it ! when did anti GFA republicans target civilians?

Omagh.

Bob the Builder

Shít lads, the MI5 found us!
Might as well blow up the buckingham place now, before we're found.

Signed,
Leader of the 'RA

Ziggurat

Don't you know that 9/11 changed everything! Every other terrorist organisation disappeared and there are only Muslim terrorists now.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Utter rubbish and scare mongering on behalf of the home office and M15 to justify the introduction of RFID electronic passport control between UK and Ireland.

Seriously, you've become a parody of yourself. Give it a rest, stop reading 1984 and go out and get yore hole.

KTRIC

I for one welcome our Dissident Republican terrorist overlords






Someone had to say it

beautiation

Why would al-qaeda need to be Britain's most active terrorists? No need to keep fit if you're going to blow yourself up.

getz

the bombers no longer attack glasgow the one at the airport -was thrown-back into the fire he started

Nehaxak

Poccington wrote: »

Why not?

Well it would be like comparing the Irish defence forces with the British army. More or less the same people, same ideals, same type of people, full of british agents, both have worked with loyalist terrorists in the past and both have killed Irish people.

If we're comparing the IRA to Al Queda then it's only fair to compare the Irish defence forces to the UDA/UVF/UFF/British Army

Though of course there is more truth in the "Irish" (lol) defence forces being alligned and working with loyalist terrorists and British agents during the past troubles.

MOH

beautiation wrote: »

Why would al-qaeda need to be Britain's most active terrorists? No need to keep fit if you're going to blow yourself up.

Maybe they mean sexually active? Going out with a bang?

Eoin

MOH wrote: »

Maybe they mean sexually active? Going out with a bang?

You would think they would save their energies for the 40 virgins they're gonna get in the afterlife.

Fratton Fred

eoin_s wrote: »

You would think they would save their energies for the 40 virgins they're gonna get in the afterlife.

did no one tell you, they are virgin boys who "Give".

all the jihadist has to do is touch his toes and think of Allah:D

Eoin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

did no one tell you, they are virgin boys who "Give".

all the jihadist has to do is touch his toes and think of Allah:D

I bet they feel silly now for not reading the small print!

Fratton Fred

eoin_s wrote: »

I bet they feel silly now for not reading the small print!

I bet they they felt a right prick