Aliens are realy According to top astronaught

Check this on Sky news.

He is not the only Astonaught to come forward about this . .......


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Strange-News/Aliens-Do-Exist-Astronaut-On-Apollo-14-Dr-Edgar-Mitchell-Says-They-Have-Made-Contact-With-Earth/Article/200807415052312?lpos=Strange%2BNews_2&lid=ARTICLE_15052312_Aliens%2BDo%2BExist%253A%2BAstronaut%2BOn%2BApollo%2B14%2BDr%2BEdgar%2BMitchell%2BSays%2BThey%2BHave%2BMade%2BContact%2BWith%2BEarth

faceman

At 77 years of age too!

Duff

The interview is up on disclose.tv if anyone wants to listen. Didnt Neil Armstrong say he was aware of being watched by UFOs during the first moon landing..They were on the otherside of the crater or something.

Joe Cool

I like the one about the robot head:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/datashead.htm

Skeptic_Desu

Duff wrote: »

The interview is up on disclose.tv if anyone wants to listen. Didnt Neil Armstrong say he was aware of being watched by UFOs during the first moon landing..They were on the otherside of the crater or something.

No your probably thinking of Buzz Aldrin.
He gave an interview in which he said that they saw an ufo.
Aldrin told David Morrison, an NAI Senior Scientist, that the documentary cut the crew's conclusion that they were probably seeing one of four detached spacecraft adapter panels. The crew were told that their S-IVB upper stage was 6,000 miles away. However, the panels were jettisoned before the S-IVB made its separation maneuver, so this panel would closely follow the Apollo 11 spacecraft until its first midcourse correction.

Ed Mitchell had been a supporter of peusdo-science long before this story broke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell.

Skeptic_Desu

Skeptic_Desu wrote: »

No your probably thinking of Buzz Aldrin.
He gave an interview in which he said that they saw an ufo.
Aldrin told David Morrison, an NAI Senior Scientist, that the documentary cut the crew's conclusion that they were probably seeing one of four detached spacecraft adapter panels. The crew were told that their S-IVB upper stage was 6,000 miles away. However, the panels were jettisoned before the S-IVB made its separation maneuver, so this panel would closely follow the Apollo 11 spacecraft until its first midcourse correction.

Ed Mitchell had been a supporter of peusdo-science long before this story broke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell.

Yeah but the full story was this thing closley followed them in space. When they landed on the moon it too also came down with them.
Not only that but they were all briefed on UFO's before going up there. There are about 6 astronaughts that have admitted to some sort of encounter .

Skeptic_Desu

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah but the full story was this thing closley followed them in space. When they landed on the moon it too also came down with them.
Not only that but they were all briefed on UFO's before going up there. .

Where did you get this from, may I ask?
I have seen the documentary in question and they (or Buzz for that matter) never made any such claim.

Ziycon

There was a documentary i watch ages ago about a USAF hanger where all they did was brush photos before release to the public, supposedly there are sturctures on the far side of the moon which where captured by satellites!

Skeptic_Desu

Ziycon wrote: »

There was a documentary i watch ages ago about a USAF hanger where all they did was brush photos before release to the public, supposedly there are sturctures on the far side of the moon which where captured by satellites!

Why would airforce personnel be used to alter photo, surely they could get people who are good at it to do it.
I imagine there are examples of the unedited photos available.

Why do they need a professional to airbrush somthing well , when they can just deny and people will believe them anyway.

There are so many airbrushed photos from NASA its just crazy.


With regards to astronaughts admitting to UFO encounters. These storys have been going on for years. One of the earlies was reading it in the news paper about 15 years ago.
The story goes they got there and they were more or less told to leave. There was already somebody there when they got there.
This was also backed up with the claims of bases on the moon .
Were is the proof of this ? Well there is none only people's testomonies and lots of photographs of the moon that are airbrushed.

Skeptic_Desu

Deleted User wrote: »

Why do they need a professional to airbrush somthing well , when they can just deny and people will believe them anyway.

There are so many airbrushed photos from NASA its just crazy.

Could you show examples of these pictures?

Deleted User wrote: »

With regards to astronaughts admitting to UFO encounters. These storys have been going on for years. One of the earlies was reading it in the news paper about 15 years ago.
The story goes they got there and they were more or less told to leave. There was already somebody there when they got there.
This was also backed up with the claims of bases on the moon .

What's the source for this can I ask? Also I don't think one unsubstantiated claim can't really back up another.

Deleted User wrote: »

Were is the proof of this ? Well there is none only people's testomonies and lots of photographs of the moon that are airbrushed.

So why believe these testimonies without proof? I mean these are pretty far fetched claims.

Can i show you pictures .... Yes

Am i going to show you ...... No

With regards the moon landings im not going to look them up for you either. They are there look yourself. Thats what i did .


Why believe these testomonies ? I dont but if there are so many people willing to put their claims up against congress its worth looking into.

Why is far fetched. There is more proof that there is life out there then no life. First big clue is us.

py2006

Deleted User wrote: »

Why is far fetched. There is more proof that there is life out there then no life. First big clue is us.

There is more EVIDENCE not proof! But a very good point all the same! If we can exist why cant others in this endless vast world!

Skeptic_Desu

Deleted User wrote: »

Can i show you pictures .... Yes

Am i going to show you ...... No

With regards the moon landings im not going to look them up for you either. They are there look yourself. Thats what i did .

Okay...
Maybe you could point me in the direction of a website with these pictures or something.
Googleing NASA moon and conspiracy isn't going to get me anywhere fast.

Deleted User wrote: »

Why believe these testomonies ? I dont but if there are so many people willing to put their claims up against congress its worth looking into.

People put claims that there is an alien moon base up to the Congress of the United States?
Course, testimony is nothing with out decent evidence.

Deleted User wrote: »

Why is far fetched. There is more proof that there is life out there then no life. First big clue is us.

It's not that far fetched that the is life elsewhere in the universe.
It's still in the realm of possibility that there maybe intelligent life.
It's a bit of a jump to say that there's an alien moon base and that all the governments that have seen the other side of the moon are covering it up.

Zulu

Might I suggest taking out a telescope and looking at the moon? There are no bases there.


...unless they are underground....
den, den, deennnnnnnn

Skeptic_Desu

Skeptic_Desu wrote: »

People put claims that there is an alien moon base up to the Congress of the United States?
Course, testimony is nothing with out decent evidence.

Look in this field you dont get decent evidence. All you get is leads. Alot of the time leads are tampered with , erased ect .....

The more you look into it the more you find there is somthing going on . What it is , is the question.

Saruman

Zulu wrote: »

Might I suggest taking out a telescope and looking at the moon? There are no bases there.

Actually no earth based telescope could show you if there is a base/building on the moon. In fact i doubt even the Hubble could show you.

For instance, here is the best the hubble can do when showing the Apollo 17 landing site (red x).

The other image is taken on the moon so ignore that one.

Zulu

Zulu wrote: »

Bullshit perhaps?

:eek:

Why didnt i think of that ?

Oryx

Zulu wrote: »

Might I suggest taking out a telescope and looking at the moon? There are no bases there.


...unless they are underground....
den, den, deennnnnnnn

Aha, but we can only see one side of the moon anyway. There could be a whole colony of greys picnicing on the dark side and we wouldnt know didly squat about it.:)

Skeptic_Desu

Deleted User wrote: »

Look in this field you dont get decent evidence. All you get is leads. Alot of the time leads are tampered with , erased ect .....

The more you look into it the more you find there is somthing going on . What it is , is the question.

So the harder you look for a conspiracy the more apparent one is?
And there isn't any evidence to back up any claims of the conspiracy?

As I've said conjecture and testimony are nothing without evidence.

When exactly was this brought up to congress?

Skeptic_Desu

Skeptic_Desu wrote: »

So the harder you look for a conspiracy the more apparent one is?
And there isn't any evidence to back up any claims of the conspiracy?

As I've said conjecture and testimony are nothing without evidence.

When exactly was this brought up to congress?

What kind of evidence are you looking for ?

Skeptic_Desu

Deleted User wrote: »

What kind of evidence are you looking for ?

Anything that's nice and verifiable.
Say two pictures from a mission with the same time code and in the same location and such but one showing an alien base one not.

Zulu

Deleted User wrote: »

:eek:

Why didnt i think of that ?

Apologies Dre, perhaps that was a bit flippant.

Tbh, while I believe the chances of there not being extra terrestrial life in the universe pale in comparison to the chances of it existing, I just don't buy into moon bases and cover ups.
The way I see it, any life that exists, exists a hell of a long way away. Supposing this life had the ability to cross that expanse of space (which it could well have) I don't see how setting up a base on the moon wouldn't be a very risky/stupid undertaking. You'd imagine that with that sort of technology, a stealth space station or a base on a moon further away would be less obvious (assuming they didn't want to be found - which is a fair assumption i think).
The logic it's self doesn't add up, thus with a lack of logic, and evidence it becomes hard to give any credit to.

Eitherway my original comment was outside the "atmosphere" :pac: of this forum and I apologise.

Kernel

Skeptic_Desu wrote: »

So the harder you look for a conspiracy the more apparent one is?
And there isn't any evidence to back up any claims of the conspiracy?

As I've said conjecture and testimony are nothing without evidence.

When exactly was this brought up to congress?

Take a look at http://www.disclosureproject.org/. It's an initiative set up by Dr. Steven Greer to collect reliable witness testimonies and present them before congress to achieve full public disclosure on the UFO issue. What is interesting about Mitchell's disclosure is that he states that many UFO sightings are of terrestrial origin, which fits in with what Nick Cook found during his excellent documentaries:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=nick+cook&sitesearch=#

check out Billion Dollar Secret also. Cook is a writer for Janes Defence Weekly, who gets access to many top physicists. He traces anti-gravity experiments back to the VRIL 7 by nazis during WW2.

I'd also recommend viewing this recent Larry King clip from a recent special on UFOs (more evidence of disclosure), in which a UFO is shown disabling a nuclear missile travelling at 8,000mph - in the 60's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbUji0Ttcfo

Duff

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

Thats a good read, and has some very interesting photos.

Skeptic_Desu

Skeptic_Desu wrote: »

Anything that's nice and verifiable.
Say two pictures from a mission with the same time code and in the same location and such but one showing an alien base one not.

Ok and if i was to show you these pictures who is to say that the base is Alien ? Who is to say the pictures were taken on the moon. You not going to get nice evidence like that . If you did a spin will be put on it to change peoples views anyway .

Skeptic_Desu

Kernel wrote: »

Take a look at http://www.disclosureproject.org/. It's an initiative set up by Dr. Steven Greer to collect reliable witness testimonies and present them before congress to achieve full public disclosure on the UFO issue. What is interesting about Mitchell's disclosure is that he states that many UFO sightings are of terrestrial origin, which fits in with what Nick Cook found during his excellent documentaries:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=nick+cook&sitesearch=#

check out Billion Dollar Secret also. Cook is a writer for Janes Defence Weekly, who gets access to many top physicists. He traces anti-gravity experiments back to the VRIL 7 by nazis during WW2.

I'd also recommend viewing this recent Larry King clip from a recent special on UFOs (more evidence of disclosure), in which a UFO is shown disabling a nuclear missile travelling at 8,000mph - in the 60's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbUji0Ttcfo

That's pretty interesting I must say.
But Larry King isn't exactly the most critical thinker in the world, he's a big supporter of Sylvia Browne.
And I do love evil Nazi science.

Duff wrote: »

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

Thats a good read, and has some very interesting photos.

That site is complete BS. Every single point on it is based on complete misunderstanding of science.
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/apollohoax.html

Deleted User wrote: »

Ok and if i was to show you these pictures who is to say that the base is Alien ? Who is to say the pictures were taken on the moon. You not going to get nice evidence like that . If you did a spin will be put on it to change peoples views anyway .

If you don't want to show evidence because I might refute it that's fine, it not exactly going to help your position though.

Skeptic_Desu

Skeptic_Desu wrote: »

If you don't want to show evidence because I might refute it that's fine, it not exactly going to help your position though.

But i am not trying to prove anything to you??

But i tell you what, if i do come across some great proof i will make sure to send it your way. Because it is very important to me that you have this information. You complete me .

Skeptic_Desu

Deleted User wrote: »

But i am not trying to prove anything to you??

But i tell you what, if i do come across some great proof i will make sure to send it your way. Because it is very important to me that you have this information. You complete me .

Fair enough.
But given the absence of evidence there is absolutely no reason in the slightest to believe there is an alien base on the moon.

It pretty much boils down to: who do you trust, scientists or conspiracy theorists?

Edit: It occurs to me: if you don't have to prove anything (thus educating them in what you believe to be true) to anyone, why bother doing your "research" in the first place?

stevenmu

Skeptic_Desu wrote: »

Edit: It occurs to me: if you don't have to prove anything (thus educating them in what you believe to be true) to anyone, why bother doing your "research" in the first place?

Sometimes, and this is the reason we have this forum in first place, people want to discuss the details of something without having to conclusively prove it. Other times people do want to discuss things in terms of evidential proof which is a part of the reason for the new skeptics sub forum.

In general when people post something in this forum we should assume that they are not doing it to prove something to the world. By skipping the scientific proof part we can discuss something in more detail and learn more about the topic at hand (something which by the is usefull when it comes to trying to (dis)prove it).

For e.g. this thread should really be about discussing the claims made in the OPs article, other similar claims by astronauts etc, without going in circles looking for proof.

Skeptic_Desu

stevenmu wrote: »

Sometimes, and this is the reason we have this forum in first place, people want to discuss the details of something without having to conclusively prove it. Other times people do want to discuss things in terms of evidential proof which is a part of the reason for the new skeptics sub forum.

In general when people post something in this forum we should assume that they are not doing it to prove something to the world. By skipping the scientific proof part we can discuss something in more detail and learn more about the topic at hand (something which by the is usefull when it comes to trying to (dis)prove it).

For e.g. this thread should really be about discussing the claims made in the OPs article, other similar claims by astronauts etc, without going in circles looking for proof.

Actually I didn't ask for proof, but rather which photographs and sources Dre was referring to. But for some reason he doesn't want to show me which to be honest seems to work against open discussion.

Skeptic_Desu

Skeptic_Desu wrote: »

Actually I didn't ask for proof, but rather which photographs and sources Dre was referring to. But for some reason he doesn't want to show me which to be honest seems to work against open discussion.

Try Google

Skeptic_Desu

Deleted User wrote: »

Try Google

I did. I still don't know which photos you are referring to or where you heard the idea that Apollo 11 was followed all the way to the landing.
I don't see why telling me such a big deal.

Skeptic_Desu

Skeptic_Desu wrote: »

I did. I still don't know which photos you are referring to or where you heard the idea that Apollo 11 was followed all the way to the landing.
I don't see why telling me such a big deal.

Its not , i just cant be bothered right now. Look yourself

Skeptic_Desu

Deleted User wrote: »

Its not , i just cant be bothered right now. Look yourself

So how am I to know which of the photos, that are claimed to be altered, are the ones you are referring to?
I should stress that i'm not demending proof or anything. I would just like to know what exactly you're referring to.

As I've said, you're not exactly being conclusive to open discussion.

Back on topic-ish.
Mythbusters to take on Moon Hoax claims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JbaM1xNIis

Skeptic_Desu

Skeptic_Desu wrote: »

As I've said, you're not exactly being conclusive to open discussion.

Either are you , so we are even. I just came across a story about Nasa finding water on Mars ? Anybody else see this ? The Story is this is all leading to full disclosure .

Skeptic_Desu

Deleted User wrote: »

Either are you , so we are even.

How exactly am I not being conclusive to open discussion. All I have asked you is to clarify something, you have flat out refused to do that for some reason.

Deleted User wrote: »

I just came across a story about Nasa finding water on Mars ? Anybody else see this ? The Story is this is all leading to full disclosure .

Good articles on this here: http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00001586/ and here: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/08/04/mars-life-the-white-house-and-rumors/

hawkmoon269

stevenmu wrote: »

Sometimes, and this is the reason we have this forum in first place, people want to discuss the details of something without having to conclusively prove it. Other times people do want to discuss things in terms of evidential proof which is a part of the reason for the new skeptics sub forum.

In general when people post something in this forum we should assume that they are not doing it to prove something to the world. By skipping the scientific proof part we can discuss something in more detail and learn more about the topic at hand (something which by the is usefull when it comes to trying to (dis)prove it).

For e.g. this thread should really be about discussing the claims made in the OPs article, other similar claims by astronauts etc, without going in circles looking for proof.

You are perfectly suited to the role of moderator of 'paranormal' and 'spirituality' forums.

Skeptic_Desu

Skeptic_Desu wrote: »

How exactly am I not being conclusive to open discussion. All I have asked you is to clarify something, you have flat out refused to do that for some reason.

I didnt refuse i told you to go look for it yourself. I dont keep files on it but i did point you in the direction of google you can get it all there.

Also look at all the disclosure project. There are 2 hours with there. Also check out the documentory UFO down to earth. Look at a documentory called greatest story ever denied.

Checkout lectures by Michael D Salla PHD. You can also read his papers. Eisenhower Meeting ...... ect

Get all the Exopolatics podcasts . There are about 40 of them all about 2 hours long each .

Read the following books ......

The Cosmic Conspiracy - Millennium Edition

The Facade


Read books by Charels Hall

Millenial Hospitality 1
Millenial Hospitality 2
Millenial Hospitality 3
Millenial Hospitality 4



There is a good start.

johnnylakes

If you are interested...abso****inlutely watch 'Disclosure Project' or 'Project Disclosure'.............


the truth is out there and all that

Oh yeah i i forgot to mention. Each of the top witnesses from the disclosure project have done their own interviews. So there is loads to check out there .

Project Camelot have also done alot you looking at about 20 top intervies there also.
Wow the more i talk about it the more i can think of. There is just loads to go though .

Duff

johnnylakes wrote: »

If you are interested...abso****inlutely watch 'Disclosure Project' or 'Project Disclosure'.............


the truth is out there and all that

Think i've seen it before but where can I watch it online?

johnnylakes

It was on youtube but it may have been removed...try google

Skeptic_Desu

Deleted User wrote: »

I didnt refuse i told you to go look for it yourself. I dont keep files on it but i did point you in the direction of google you can get it all there.

Also look at all the disclosure project. There are 2 hours with there. Also check out the documentory UFO down to earth. Look at a documentory called greatest story ever denied.

Checkout lectures by Michael D Salla PHD. You can also read his papers. Eisenhower Meeting ...... ect

Get all the Exopolatics podcasts . There are about 40 of them all about 2 hours long each .

Read the following books ......

The Cosmic Conspiracy - Millennium Edition

The Facade


Read books by Charels Hall

Millenial Hospitality 1
Millenial Hospitality 2
Millenial Hospitality 3
Millenial Hospitality 4



There is a good start.

Wow thats alot of stuff to get through.
But you still haven't answered my question: to which photos were you referring to?

Well i have given you the places to look for yourself . Knock yourself out.

Skeptic_Desu

Taking this site for example http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=moon&action=display&num=1115439796
There doesn't seem to be any mention to the fact that alot of those photos are in fact composites so the odd photographic artifact isn't out of the ordinary.
But why bother censoring them in the first place? Why not just not release them?