calzaghe fight cancelled

cowzerp

fight cancelled due to hand injury to joe.thats what slapping does to ya.

Seperate

It's postponed...there's a difference

cowzerp

Seperate wrote: »

It's postponed...there's a difference

Kop on.

dlofnep

Not a fan of Calslappy Paul?

He gets the job done.. No doubt, they will just reschedule it.

cowzerp

dlofnep wrote: »

Not a fan of Calslappy Paul?

He gets the job done.. No doubt, they will just reschedule it.

No, i like the boxers with good technique personally...
he'll get his big money shot-only problem is jones will be even older then!

joepenguin

I heard there is a good possibility of the fight being held in the UK. Largely due to the fact that fans wont travel to the states twice in November (Hatton-Mallignaggi)

nacho libre

cowzerp wrote: »

No, i like the boxers with good technique personally...
he'll get his big money shot-only problem is jones will be even older then!

So if Calzaghe wins it'll be because because the fight wasn't held in September.

cowzerp

nacho libre wrote: »

So if Calzaghe wins it'll be because because the fight wasn't held in September.

No its because RJJ is washed up, Pavlik to destroy the other old timer then Calzaghe..thats what i say-but i'd love it if RJJ bashed him!

Big Ears

I'm more concerned with the Willie Limond v Dmitry Salita bout on this card tbh . It presents a closer match than the main event and will probably be a lot more exciting too .

Salita has a very padded record but has decent power and is reasonably slick, Limond is a very good technical boxer with decent handspeed moving up a weightclass, and he can be fragile . Biggest test of the unproven Salita's record and the biggest chance(well maybe after the Khan fight) of Willie Limond's .

Julio Diaz v Ray Narh should be a good fight too, the winner will probably get put into an eliminator for one of the Lightweight titles .

Derrick 'Smoke' Gainer makes up the rest of the televised card, the former Featherweight turned down the chance to fight Amir Khan to be on this card .
Gainer is pretty past it and if he's put in with someone decent will have a very hard time of it .

The rescheduled date is sometime in November I believe and the bout may now be for Calzaghes' Super-Middleweight titles aswell as the Ring Light-Heavyweight title . Jones is the one who proposed this idea and Calzaghe's camp are seriously considering it . This would mean both fighters have to weight 168 lbs or less . Something Jones hasn't done for 12 years......although he was only 169 for Trinidad so it shouldn't be a problem .

nacho libre

cowzerp wrote: »

No its because RJJ is washed up, Pavlik to destroy the other old timer then Calzaghe..thats what i say-but i'd love it if RJJ bashed him!

funningly enough i think Hopkins could shock everyone by beating Pavlik points. Not many gave him a chance against Tarver and look what happened there. I think Calzaghe will prevail against Roy Jones but it won't be an easy win- but it may backup your point that a peak Jones would have beaten him.

Big Ears

nacho libre wrote: »

funningly enough i think Hopkins could shock everyone by beating Pavlik points. Not many gave him a chance against Tarver and look what happened there. I think Calzaghe will prevail against Roy Jones but it won't be an easy win- but it may backup your point that a peak Jones would have beaten him.

Hopkins wouldn't be shocking me, I'm picking him to win that .
Jones is certainly past his best(which is why I believe Calzaghe will win relatively easily) , however considering Calzaghe is also fading I don't think it would be a fair comparison of the two against each other prime for prime .

But I don't think we even need to talk about that, of course a prime Jones jnr beats Calzaghe prime for prime . It would probably be like the Hopkins and Toney fights, Jones wins very clearly but Calzaghe manages to nick a few rounds .

nacho libre

Big Ears wrote: »

Hopkins wouldn't be shocking me, I'm picking him to win that .
Jones is certainly past his best(which is why I believe Calzaghe will win relatively easily) , however considering Calzaghe is also fading I don't think it would be a fair comparison of the two against each other prime for prime .

But I don't think we even need to talk about that, of course a prime Jones jnr beats Calzaghe prime for prime . It would probably be like the Hopkins and Toney fights, Jones wins very clearly but Calzaghe manages to nick a few rounds .

Have you seen a gradual decline in him? Or, are you basing this on his fight with Hopkins? If it's the latter, you must bear in mind that it's hard to impress against a fighter like Hopkins as he is a very awkward fighter, who is the master at spoiling a fight.
I think a past it Jones could still present problems for Calzaghe. His speed is still good enough to cause Calzaghe trouble. However, I would still pick Calzaghe to eek out a points win.

ODD-JOB

nacho libre wrote: »

funningly enough i think Hopkins could shock everyone by beating Pavlik points.

it wouldnt be a shock as such ,....... Hopkins only has age against him , he couldnt be touched for years !!
Most people (apart from british commentators + sheep) had Hopkins clearly winning the Calzaghe bout.

He's still got it.,.... Muslims tend to last longer due to their discipline.

nacho libre

ODD-JOB wrote: »

it wouldnt be a shock as such ,....... Hopkins only has age against him , he couldnt be touched for years !!
Most people (apart from british commentators + sheep) had Hopkins clearly winning the Calzaghe bout.

He's still got it.,.... Muslims tend to last longer due to their discipline.

So, i take it you also felt Hopkins won the fight against Calzaghe. I remember a friend, who knows a lot more about boxing than i do, ringing me immediately after the bout, he was adamant that Hopkins had won the fight. I should add this guy has been a fan of Calzaghe's for years.

Batesy

I thought Hopkins shaded it myself.

I actually think Jones has another big win in him and I fancy him to beat Calzaghe. Anyone know what the betting odds would be for the bout?

ODD-JOB

Oh yeah ,.... like Hopkins said , dont ask the judges ask the fans .

Every online bookie in Europe had Hopkins winning.
betting is my thing , i arb in running , which basically means i am keeping check om any prices on offer that are out of line.
Between the high-street bookies and public exchanges , the general conception was that Hopkins was over twice as likely to have won the fight.

Clazaghe was the younger , busier fighter BUT Hopkins landed the clean effective shots.
Who won ?- well that depends how you see it.

The only thing about an old fighter is that they tend to reach a point suddenly where they just "turn to ****".
Hopkins is surely close to that point @ 42 or whatever.
If its not this fight then its probably the next , he's well outlasted his expiry date as such.

ODD-JOB

Batesy wrote: »

I actually think Jones has another big win in him and I fancy him to beat Calzaghe. Anyone know what the betting odds would be for the bout?

Well , as you know from the start of the topic, the fight is off for a while.

But , Joe was 2/5 and Roy was 5/2 or so.

Big Ears

nacho libre wrote: »

Have you seen a gradual decline in him? Or, are you basing this on his fight with Hopkins? If it's the latter, you must bear in mind that it's hard to impress against a fighter like Hopkins as he is a very awkward fighter, who is the master at spoiling a fight.
I think a past it Jones could still present problems for Calzaghe. His speed is still good enough to cause Calzaghe trouble. However, I would still pick Calzaghe to eek out a points win.

I have noticed a decline in Calzaghe's speed and reflexes the last few years, nothing overly dramatic but he's definitely not as quick as he was .

Odd-Job I take it you are referring to Harold Ledderman as a sheep .
Hopkins threw the much harder cleaner shots but he just didn't throw enough and last on activity for me .

Similar to the way I had Daniel Ponce De Leon winning a shutout over Gerry Penalosa, every round was the same and De Leon just keep shading them because he was landing three times as much, even those his shots were much less effective .


I really can't believe people are giving Roy a chance . He got knocked out by Tarver and people say he drained too quickly from Heavyweight............fair enough . But why did he subsequently get knocked out by Johnson and allow himself to be easily decisioned by Tarver because he was afraid to fight and didn't have the stamina to fight .

Jones can't sustain any sort of pace anymore, he still has good handspeed and accuracy but his reflexes are nowhere near as good, his stamina is poor and his chin is questionable .

megadodge

Most people (apart from british commentators + sheep) had Hopkins clearly winning the Calzaghe bout.

Ah, no they didn't...

Boxing News (British publication) did an article on the fight recently from an American slant. The writer of the article (British) thought Hopkins won it, but the five American top trainers they interviewed all thought Calzaghe won. Emmanuel Steward said it wasn't even close. I disagree with him (and you) because it certainly was close, but the general feeling I get (from American forums etc) is that while a sizable amount of people thought Hopkins won, a majority thought Calzaghe did.

With regard to betting patterns, I bet also and had Betfair running during that fight as I had all the distance options covered. You're correct in stating that the odds at the very end of the bout suggested that Hopkins was going to get it, but I remember thinking that that was because people (understandably) reckoned if it was close (which it was) there was no way an American was going to lose in America to a non-American, especially after the officiating fiasco in the Hatton/Mayweather fight.

And to put betting patterns into perspective, recently in the Limerick/Offaly hurling qualifier, I was able to get €100 at EVENS on Offaly when they were NINE POINTS UP very near the end of the first half, despite the fact that there was no significant wind and Limerick looked completely uninterested and Offaly were playing fantastic hurling. Betting patterns aren't always right !

He's still got it.,.... Muslims tend to last longer due to their discipline.

??????? Like Naseem Hamed etc. ???????

Fall_Guy

ODD-JOB wrote: »

Oh yeah ,.... like Hopkins said , dont ask the judges ask the fans .

Every online bookie in Europe had Hopkins winning.

People are betting on who they expected to get the result, not who they thought deserved the result. I thought joe had won it, but I thought the decision may go to bernard due to it being in the states. I know he's not exactly a crowd favourite, but joe came across like a bit of a punk, grinding up against bernards ass and i honestly thought that would subconsciously affect the judges thinking. That and bernard was the champ, and i wasn't sure if he (joe) had won enough of the rounds CONVINCINGLY to be given the nod in such circumstances.

Despite thinking he wouldn't get the decision, i thought he deserved it. Still would have betted on hopkins going into the last round though!

Hero Of College

The thing is that Bernard was so totally gassed by the end and cheating to boot that I found it hard to be generous to him. If it had been a 15 round fight Joe would have run out an easy winner.

Batesy

Do you think his antics with the so called 'low blow' cost him the decision? He did milk it a bit too much.

Big Ears

Batesy wrote: »

Do you think his antics with the so called 'low blow' cost him the decision? He did milk it a bit too much.

I don't think the low blow stuff or the ass grinding affected the decision .
Judges may not like what they see but in the main it doesn't seem to affect their decision .

The same can't always be said for the amateurs though, where some judges can slightly discriminate against fighters with styles they don't like .