Football Qualifying Draw Rd 2

lorweld

Donegal v Monaghan

Tyrone v Westmeath

Limerick v Kildare

Laois v Down

Euro_Kraut

Any idea who the winners will be playing?

jackbhoy

lorweld wrote: »

Donegal v Monaghan

Tyrone v Westmeath

Limerick v Kildare

Laois v Down

Feck, as tough as we could've got. 5 away games in a row now, somebody up there doesn't like us
Are they being played next weekend? Missed the draw....

Pride Fighter

Donegal vs Monaghan and Tyrone vs Westmeath are the ties of the round for me. I'd love to see one of those face Kerry in the next phase of the qualifiers.

grenache

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Any idea who the winners will be playing?

The winners will be drawn to play the four losing provincial finalists i.e. Kerry, Mayo, Wexford and Armagh/Fermanagh.

juvenal

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Donegal vs Monaghan and Tyrone vs Westmeath are the ties of the round for me. I'd love to see one of those face Kerry in the next phase of the qualifiers.

Yeah, although Westmeath would've preferred the game in Mullingar!

lorweld

jackbhoy wrote: »

Feck, as tough as we could've got. 5 away games in a row now, somebody up there doesn't like us
Are they being played next weekend? Missed the draw....

Afaik there all being played next Sat the 26th.

shiibata

The winners yesterday will be out the next 3 weekends if keep winning i think, which seems crazy
We need to improve big time to beat monaghan after yesterday

Tristram

Donegal v Monaghan: Monaghan

Tyrone v Westmeath: Tyrone by virtue of home advantage

Limerick v Kildare: Limerick, Kildare are not a good football team at the moment

Laois v Down: Down

Could get all four wrong

CyberDave

Donegal v Monaghan
Monaghan, but Donegal are capable of doing it. They have Devenney back on the panel so expect him to be playing. It will probably be a tight game with 1/2 in it in the end.

Tyrone v Westmeath
The battle of the blanket defences. Expect this to be a low scoring affair with Tyrone edging them out in the end.

Limerick v Kildare
Going on form it would have to be Limerick, considering their bizarre inhilalation of Meath on Saturday.

Laois v Down
Two counties with a good underage record over the past decade. Because of this they should know a bit about each other. Again on form it should be Down.

Going on those predictions:
Monaghan, Tyrone, Limerick & Down
go into the draw with
Armagh/Fermanagh, Mayo, Wexford, Kerry.

Some mouthwatering propects await that group.

Kojak

Donegal v Monaghan: Based on the fact that thye beat stronger opposition in Derry, I'd have to go for Monaghan in this one. Also, they beat Donegal last year, so should repeat that here again. Monaghan by 3 + points

Tyrone v Westmeath: Tyrone's home advantage will mean that they will be favourites. If this game was played in Mullingar, I'd give Westmeath a great chance. But going to Omagh, and coming off a "dire" (O Flahartha's own words) performance against Tipp, Tyrone would have to win by 5 + Points

Limerick v Kildare: I'm not convinced by Kildare's win over Cavan. In fact, only for a very late goal, they would be out of the championship by now. Limerick looked very impressive against Meath. Whether that was down to Limerick being good, or Meath being atrocious is debatable. Still, Limerick by 4 + points

Laois v Down: Down, on the basis of their good performance against Offaly and the fact that Laois never really do well in the qualifiers. Down by 6 + points.

grenache

Donegal v Monaghan
Difficult one to call, could really go either way. However Monaghan are more of the form team, and i cannot see their defence giving away soft goals like Roscommon gave to Donegal yesterday. Monaghan by 1-2.

Tyrone v Westmeath
Home advantage should be enough for the Red Hand county, especially with Brian McGuigan now back from injury. Westmeath will give them plenty of it though. Will be a tight one. Tyrone by 2-3.

Limerick v Kildare
Lilywhites have nothing to lose here really, all the focus and pressure will be on the home side to see can they repeat this weekends win. Limerick are hard to beat at home, and they should prevail. Limerick by 5+.

Laois v Down
Laois have never sparkled under Liam Kearns, and i expect him to step down after Saturday night. There won't be a whole lot between them, but Down have too much class up front. Down by 3-4.

smashey

Tristram wrote: »

Donegal v Monaghan: Monaghan

CyberDave wrote: »

Donegal v Monaghan
Monaghan.

Kojak wrote: »

Donegal v Monaghan: Monaghan

grenache wrote: »

Donegal v Monaghan
Monaghan by 1-2.

Damn you all.

I want revenge so I'm going to follow the auld heart again. Tir Conaill abú. :P

grenache

smashey wrote: »

Damn you all.

I want revenge so I'm going to follow the auld heart again. Tir Conaill abú. :P

well smashey, Donegal could well win it, its a difficult one to call. I just feel that Monaghan have more momentum behind them so thats why i've gone with them. Donegal have had to draft Devanney back into the squad, so clearly Brian McIvor feels you are lacking a bit upfront.

wordcount

Monahan
Tyrone (Westmeath overrated, especially by thier own supporters)
Limerick
Down (Laois worst team left in competition by a mile, seen them against longford, a disorganised rabble)

shiibata

grenache wrote: »

well smashey, Donegal could well win it, its a difficult one to call. I just feel that Monaghan have more momentum behind them so thats why i've gone with them. Donegal have had to draft Devanney back into the squad, so clearly Brian McIvor feels you are lacking a bit upfront.

Dont think were lacking too bad up front but Devenney is a class player on his day(wish we could find that day in donegal shirt:)) and is too good to leave out of squad..I would be more worried about the lack of brains we have on sideline to make big calls in games.

Skyhater

Any word on the TV coverage yet?

TV3 have first choice again, so they'll probably pick Tyrone Vs Westmeath.
RTE are also showing a game in this round, that will probably be Donegal Vs Monaghan.

zAbbo

Anyone know the venues, will any of them be in Croke Park?

Skyhater

zAbbo wrote: »

Anyone know the venues, will any of them be in Croke Park?

Nope.... Teams drawn first out of the hat will have home advantage.

scaramanga

-- Saturday July 26th
GAA Football All Ireland Senior Championship Qualifier Round 2
Ballybofey 5.00pm Dún na nGall v Muineachán Live RTE2
Referee: TBC
(E.T. if Necessary)
Omagh 3.00pm Tír Eoghain v Iar Mhí Live TV3
Referee: TBC
(E.T. if Necessary)
Gaelic 7.00pm Luimneach v Cill Dara
Grounds Referee: TBC
(E.T. if Necessary)
Portlaoise 7.00pm Laois v An Dún
Referee: TBC
(E.T. if Necessary)

jackbhoy

wordcount wrote: »

Tyrone (Westmeath overrated, especially by thier own supporters)

haha sound a bit bitter there, not from Longford are you?

wordcount

jackbhoy wrote: »

haha sound a bit bitter there, not from Longford are you?

Nope not from Longford and not in the slightest bit bitter. Just pointing out a fact. A couple of mates from Mullingar and jesus they never stop going on about Westmeath this year. I just dont see it. Tyrone to win by 6 or 7 points.

jackbhoy

wordcount wrote: »

Just pointing out a fact. A couple of mates from Mullingar and jesus they never stop going on about Westmeath this year. I just dont see it. Tyrone to win by 6 or 7 points.

I don't think you knowing 2 Westmeath people who have been going on about them makes it a fact WC! Personally I think we are second best team in Leinster and can give anyone a game of it on our day, think thats fair enough and would be opinion of most Westmeath supporters I know. In my experience the people who go round bragging about how great their team are are generally the bandwagoners who turn up when team starts performing well, we hardly have a history bathed in glory that would allow us to become so cocky!

wordcount

jackbhoy wrote: »

I don't think you knowing 2 Westmeath people who have been going on about them makes it a fact WC! Personally I think we are second best team in Leinster and can give anyone a game of it on our day, think thats fair enough and would be opinion of most Westmeath supporters I know. In my experience the people who go round bragging about how great their team are are generally the bandwagoners who turn up when team starts performing well, we hardly have a history bathed in glory that would allow us to become so cocky!

Maybe you are, but despite the dublin performance, WM have been poor in this year. Tyrone to knock the sails out of ye. If not maybe you might be on to something this year. Although I doubt it.

Gareth37

Good home draw for Donegal I think.

Great record in ballybofey, will be a very close match but Donegal to win by 2-3 pts I hope.

K-9

shiibata wrote: »

Dont think were lacking too bad up front but Devenney is a class player on his day(wish we could find that day in donegal shirt:)) and is too good to leave out of squad..I would be more worried about the lack of brains we have on sideline to make big calls in games.

Murphy and McFadden are doing ok. Good to see Griffin getting a go too. I'd leave Devenney out, maybe last 15 minutes mainly because it's an Ulster team!

It's a hard one to call, we haven't been impressive all year. I'll make my mind up when I see the team sheets!

Tyrone, Down and Limerick in the others.

patmac

wordcount wrote: »

Nope not from Longford and not in the slightest bit bitter. Just pointing out a fact. A couple of mates from Mullingar and jesus they never stop going on about Westmeath this year. I just dont see it. Tyrone to win by 6 or 7 points.

So what county are you from? I'm guessing Meath. The only reason Westmeath fans are optimistic is because no-one else rates us everybody has already written us of for this one but I think we will cause a surprise. Live on TV3 at 3pm btw.

mousey007

westmeath played well against the dubs and showed what can be achieved against dublin when you have a good defence

shiibata

Seanies32 wrote: »

Murphy and McFadden are doing ok. Good to see Griffin getting a go too. I'd leave Devenney out, maybe last 15 minutes mainly because it's an Ulster team!

It's a hard one to call, we haven't been impressive all year. I'll make my mind up when I see the team sheets!

Totally agree about Devenney, use him as an impact sub, thats why i mentioned him as a squad player. Its getting good ball into murphy and mcfadden thats a problem, get good ball into them two and they will give any defence problems. Still cannot get over the management letting bradley walk all over us in the derry game, if they had put 2nd defender in front of bradley that day, i think we would have won.. Worry about sideline big time.

grenache

patmac wrote: »

everybody has already written us of for this one but I think we will cause a surprise. Live on TV3 at 3pm btw.

I would not be totally surprised if Westmeath did beat Tyrone, but as its on in Omagh, i think you will have to be at your peak to do so. There definitley won't be more than a goal in it either way. Dessie Dolan has under-performed so far this year, so he's due a big game. If you kick wides like against Dublin, then its Tyrone's day for sure.

Skyhater

For what they're worth, here's my predictions:
Donegal v Monaghan - Monaghan by 3-4 points.
Tyrone v Westmeath - Westmeath by 1-2 points
Limerick v Kildare - Limerick by 2-3 points
Laois v Down - Down by 2-3 points

Now I'm off to the Bookies, with 3 away wins, i should get some decent odds

wordcount

patmac wrote: »

So what county are you from? I'm guessing Meath. The only reason Westmeath fans are optimistic is because no-one else rates us everybody has already written us of for this one but I think we will cause a surprise. Live on TV3 at 3pm btw.

Maybe.

I think after the Dublin performance people are beginning to take notice of ye. I dont think tyrone will be underestimating you. Thats why I think they will win. And i Know there is a lot of talk about martin flanagan, but he is sluggish enough imo. In fairness you have a decent defence and 2 good forwards, but you are carrying to many passangers imo.

RMDrive

shiibata wrote: »

Totally agree about Devenney, use him as an impact sub, thats why i mentioned him as a squad player. Its getting good ball into murphy and mcfadden thats a problem, get good ball into them two and they will give any defence problems. Still cannot get over the management letting bradley walk all over us in the derry game, if they had put 2nd defender in front of bradley that day, i think we would have won.. Worry about sideline big time.

Yeah, the sideline isn't exactly inspiring confidence at the moment. we don't seem to have a clear game plan either. Just about getting past a poor Ros team isn't the way to be going into this game.
More hope than expectation me thinks

Scootay

Hopefully the Westmeath performance against Tipp was the hangover from losing out to Dublin. Also hopefully Flanagan will be back fit. Any year before now I'd not even consider Westmeath to have a chance away to Tyrone but they have done well all season, including beating Armagh on the way to winning Division 2, and they are definitely the 2nd best team in Leinster at the moment while Tyrone have slipped a bit so I'm allowing myself to get a little excited. Need players to raise their games but if they can't do it in a must win game against a team as good as Tyrone then when can they?

In the other games I'm thinking Donegal, Down and Kildare.

Mont

I cannot believe people actually think Westmeath will win on Sat - I mean every year teams from Leinster get hammered in the qualifiers - Laois/Meath/Wexford and whoever. When was the last time a team from Leinster even made it to the quarters (apart from Dublin who stroll Leinster every year). It is by far the weakest of provinces and an average Tyrone will hammer Westmeath on Sat. Leinster football sucks

Scootay

You're showing you're ignorance there Mont. Dublin and Meath were in the All Ireland semis last year and the 2006 Quarter Finals featured Dublin, Westmeath and Laois. Laois and Dublin were in the quarter finals in 2005 and Dublin and Westmeath in 2004.

Tyrone were relegated from division 1 this year while Westmeath won division 2. Anyone who's actually been watching football this year will see that there's every reason to think it will be a close game.

Mont

Scootay wrote: »

You're showing you're ignorance there Mont. Dublin and Meath were in the All Ireland semis last year and the 2006 Quarter Finals featured Dublin, Westmeath and Laois. Laois and Dublin were in the quarter finals in 2005 and Dublin and Westmeath in 2004.

Tyrone were relegated from division 1 this year while Westmeath won division 2. Anyone who's actually been watching football this year will see that there's every reason to think it will be a close game.

Ya see Meath last week and remind me how exactly did Westmeath and Laois fare in 2006 in the quarters, Laois in 2005 and Westmeath in 2004 - from what i can remember they were all hammered

Remember Provincial Losing finalists only have to play 1 match before the Quarter finals - so some dud county from Leinster have only to play 1 game to make this in which they might have to play another Leinster county to get there - cmon

Scootay

I see, so if I produce the evidence of Leinster teams making the quarter finals every year since 2004 you have some other excuse to rubbish Leinster football.

Division 2,3 & 4 champions and All Ireland club football champions this year are all from Leinster and only one Leinster team was demoted in the league but Leinster football is rubbish.

Ignoring all-Leinster ties in the qualifiers last year Louth beat Limerick, Meath beat Down, Fermanagh and Galway and Kildare beat Roscommon. In 2006 Louth drew with Tyrone in Omagh then lost the replay, Westmeath beat London, Limerick, Sligo and Galway before losing to Dublin, Longford beat Waterford, Tipp and Derry before losing to Kerry and Kildare beat Cavan but Leinster football is rubbish.

blackbelt

If Westmeath had Flanagan and David Duffy back fit,I'd nearly put my house on Westmeath to win but the worrying thing for Westmeath is that they don't and can consider themselves lucky that Tyrone are also going through an injury crisis with Mulligan being injured.

Omagh may play a big part in the result.It is a very intimidating ground to go to and get a win.How Westmeath will deal to the reaction of the crowd will be a test of their mettle.

I think Tyrone have better forwards in Cavanagh,Penrose,McCullagh and McGuigan than Westmeath do in Dessie Dolan,Bannon and Denis Glennon.

However,I think Westmeath have the blanket defense mastered better than Tyrone do this year so it is extremely tough to call a winner here.Enda McGinley is well capable of going forward from midfield and getting crucial scores as Dublin had with Henry and Cahill.

Push comes to shove...Tyrone by 1 point.

K-9

Scootay wrote: »

I see, so if I produce the evidence of Leinster teams making the quarter finals every year since 2004 you have some other excuse to rubbish Leinster football.

Division 2,3 & 4 champions and All Ireland club football champions this year are all from Leinster and only one Leinster team was demoted in the league but Leinster football is rubbish.

Ignoring all-Leinster ties in the qualifiers last year Louth beat Limerick, Meath beat Down, Fermanagh and Galway and Kildare beat Roscommon. In 2006 Louth drew with Tyrone in Omagh then lost the replay, Westmeath beat London, Limerick, Sligo and Galway before losing to Dublin, Longford beat Waterford, Tipp and Derry before losing to Kerry and Kildare beat Cavan but Leinster football is rubbish.

But in the majority of Qualifier games Ulster teams beat Leinster ones.

Donegal beat Westmeath, Derry beat Laois, Fermanagh beat Wexford.

Anyway, back on topic, I'd agree with Blackbelt. Tyrone just have more potential and talent. I can start to see it coming out in this team this year but it may take next year to be a serious threat to Kerry and Dublin.

Mont

Scootay wrote: »

I see, so if I produce the evidence of Leinster teams making the quarter finals every year since 2004 you have some other excuse to rubbish Leinster football.

Division 2,3 & 4 champions and All Ireland club football champions this year are all from Leinster and only one Leinster team was demoted in the league but Leinster football is rubbish.

Ignoring all-Leinster ties in the qualifiers last year Louth beat Limerick, Meath beat Down, Fermanagh and Galway and Kildare beat Roscommon. In 2006 Louth drew with Tyrone in Omagh then lost the replay, Westmeath beat London, Limerick, Sligo and Galway before losing to Dublin, Longford beat Waterford, Tipp and Derry before losing to Kerry and Kildare beat Cavan but Leinster football is rubbish.

Now seriously to be talking about the League like it is a meaningful competition just illustrates what im talking about - maybe only Leinster teams take this glorified friendly competition seriously and yes Ulster normally hammer Leinster teams - the amount of serious mismatches ive seen down the years is appalling - Tyrone by 10 pts plus

Scootay

Seanie I was only illustrating the Leinster teams have beaten teams from outside Leinster in the qualifiers and not just other "dud" Leinster counties.

Flan and Duffy missing will make it very tough for Westmeath, especially with Tyrone having a fully fit panel to choose from. I still think (hope) it will be close.

You're right mont, I'm sure Derry took no pride at all in their league win.

jackbhoy

wordcount wrote: »

Maybe.

I think after the Dublin performance people are beginning to take notice of ye. I dont think tyrone will be underestimating you. Thats why I think they will win. And i Know there is a lot of talk about martin flanagan, but he is sluggish enough imo. In fairness you have a decent defence and 2 good forwards, but you are carrying to many passangers imo.

Wordcount, if you are gonna come on here and unduly (imo) criticise counties at least have balls to say where you are from, you mustn't be very proud of your own lot, whoever they may be!

I'm not sure about tomorrow, if Flanagn plays and is fit we might have a chance as his link play and ability to deliver quality balls into our forwards is vital, no one else can do this, unless we pull Dessie Dolan out towards cf. He practically had to play hb/cf last weekend to get hold of possession and supply forwards, really he should be on receiving end of that supply line.

My main concerns are our forwards getting enough scores, we were very poor in that area last week and late glut by Glennon and lot of frees by Dessie glossed over what was, at times, very poor forward play.
Also little worried about Kavanagh at full forward, hopefully if Keane can do his usual man marking best we might contain him but he'll be very hard to beat in air and is playing some great stuff according to Tyrone folks I've spoken to.

As with Croker I'll go more in hope than expectation but love to win and get 1 C'Ship game in Mullingar (that’s if next round aren’t neutral venues?), as much as I enjoy visiting these county grounds, the travel/traffic etc is pain in the hole!

wordcount

jackbhoy wrote: »

Wordcount, if you are gonna come on here and unduly (imo) criticise counties at least have balls to say where you are from, you mustn't be very proud of your own lot, whoever they may be!

I'm not sure about tomorrow, if Flanagn plays and is fit we might have a chance as his link play and ability to deliver quality balls into our forwards is vital, no one else can do this, unless we pull Dessie Dolan out towards cf. He practically had to play hb/cf last weekend to get hold of possession and supply forwards, really he should be on receiving end of that supply line.

My main concerns are our forwards getting enough scores, we were very poor in that area last week and late glut by Glennon and lot of frees by Dessie glossed over what was, at times, very poor forward play.
Also little worried about Kavanagh at full forward, hopefully if Keane can do his usual man marking best we might contain him but he'll be very hard to beat in air and is playing some great stuff according to Tyrone folks I've spoken to.

As with Croker I'll go more in hope than expectation but love to win and get 1 C'Ship game in Mullingar (that’s if next round aren’t neutral venues?), as much as I enjoy visiting these county grounds, the travel/traffic etc is pain in the hole!

From meath working the the longford area. I was at longford/westmeath, so I saw westmeath in action. From that team, an excellent full back on the day, glennon up front and maybe four others who I dont know who were decent, at least 4 passangers, dolan poor although injured.

Pride Fighter

I pick Monaghan, Westmeath, Kildare and Laois to progress. There will be some close games this weekend, I am looking forward to them.

shiibata

Donegal have same team picked that struggled past roscommon:( half forward line does not fill one with confidence.. hopefully, they prove me wrong..
Tyrone to beat westmeath
down to beat laois
limerick to beat kildare

good possibility, could be a few draws..might be worth a few bob on a lucky 15 for the 4 of them

yayamark

Tyrone win but are playing poorly.

Ref was unreal bad westmeath shot them selves in the foot by having two men sent off.

Tyrone still at their cynical tripe of football, when they foul they throw the ball 15 feet down the pitch so they can get men back for their blanket defence. Makes me sick.

patmac

Very dissapointing end to the season that promised so much, probably our strongest team ever, looked good at one stage today but indiscipline cost us. It was a tough place to go but we should have beat the Dubs and wouldn't have been in this position, hopefully we can give Leinster a go next year. Referee Hughes was incredibly incompetent he reffed the Dublin game as well, not saying he cost us the game or anything he was just rubbish. Brian Dooher was immence scoring two brilliant points and getting 2 players sent off, dissapointed with Healy's sending off as he was having a great season but should have known better. sigh:(

Nalced_irl

Congratz Tyrone, hard luck Westmeath, was pullin for ya. I hear (but didnt see) that Dooher did his Klinsmann tactics for the 2 sending offs? My bro tells me in the high tackle, Dooher purposely lowered his neck into the players arm, and went to headbutt for the second or something along those lines. Didnt see them tho so cant comment. Anyone see it and say either way?

sam34

patmac wrote: »

Brian Dooher was immence scoring two brilliant points and getting 2 players sent off, QUOTE]

since when is overplaying an incident/injury considered to be "immense". it's actually a foul.

shiibata

Firstly, the ref in the tyrone-westmeath game was getting booed by the tyrone fans for 1st half display by him, where i thought he was fair enough.. one of the fans must have got to him at half time though and threatened him as he gave tyrone everything in those 1st 20mins of 2nd half, terrible bit of reffing.. dooher got some great points but he is a dirty player and goes down easy.. 1st sending off very harsh, 2nd player had to go as he did punch as it showed in replay..

Secondly, donegal management done their usual bit to get us beat, how they left johnny gallagher on hanratty for the 70 mins:rolleyes: is beyond belief, it was evident from 1st 10 mins he was in trouble.. counted 4/5 coming from this.. he even got yellow carded early on, another reason to get him off..
We missed some good goal chances but we looked laboured when scoring where as monaghan usually scored with ease..
If we had the monaghan management in charge of us, think we win would no problem, monaghan that bit hungrier looking too.